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(Read Long Post Below Before Voting) Good Idea?
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Okay, okay- its not a time when we look forward to, but we know it'll happen osmeday- someday, TBC's material won't be as fresh or funny as it used to be, and they'll decide that they've jumped the shark and will quit. Either that, or T-shirt sales will go down and they won't be able to support themselves anymore. Or maybe they'll say one day "We're adults now! Let's go do something more with our lives!" No matter how it ends, we have to face the facts: Homestar can't last forever. So day Homestar will have to run- away!

Or can it? At the wiki, we have many devoted fans who I'm sure would hate to see Homestar end. So, I've decided to develop a company I like to call "Project: Jumpshark".

Project: Jumpshark is a company I've decided we should put together so that once TBC retire, Homestardoesn't have to. We'll get the finest in animation, voice, and comedy writing to help us out to keep Homestar from thriving and flourishing years- heck, even decades- after TBC call it quits.

But, of course, we can't just take your word for it if you say you're "an excellent Strong Bad" or "pretty good with Flash" over the internet, because- hey- you could be lying, or YOU might not be up to OUR standards. So we hold an audition of sorts... there are several departments you can work for if you want to audition. Underneath are a short description of each one and how to audition-

Writers
The writers- oh, the writers! Now, I know that there isn't really any complex scriptwriting involved in the way things work now, since TBC mainly improvize when theyre doing the voices, we can't nescessarily count on the people providing the voices to write our stories, so we need script-writers. It'll be yours to come up with decent dialogue and storylines for the letters to Strong Bad we recieve, plus ideas for Big Toons, and for Shorts based on the content in the Strong Bad E-mails. Basically, the way this works, we'll have five writers which we pick at random to write for emails and Holiday Toons, and then the other four can work on concepts for Shorts or Big Toons, which we will be passed by the Consultant (more on them later) and approved or DISSAPROVE'D! To audition, either write a script for a Big Toon or write a Strong Bad E-mail based on an email in the "Emails you've set Strong Bad" thread.

Voice Actors
Now you can finally put your great character impressions to use!Although you may not be able to write some of your own material, the voices are still definitely one of the most important parts. No matter what else you change on the site, if the voices are still the same, the old fans will still feel at home. That's why I'm going to strive to get authentic sounding voices for ALL characters. The voices of the characters will basically just be reading off a script that the writers make. However, we will encourage the voices to ad-lib whenever they feel it would add something to the scene, because it will add some of the original off-the-cuff feeling Homestar runner has to this new style. However, please not the Consultant/Editor (more on them later) can cut out anything you say that they deem inappropriate or unnescessary or that they just don't find very funny. The voice actors, while they might not feel very independant in the creative process, have the honor of being the very center of the site. To audition, send in a .wav file of you reciting at least 3 lines of the character you're trying out for.

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Once the script is written and the voices are recorded, its time for the animators to come in and animate the techniques described in the script, or suggested by the vocie actors' ad-libs. Although the animators may also not feel as independant, they can feel free to alter ome of the descriptions in the script to make it better or funnier, and also put in visual gags in the background that they find humorous, as long as it gets passed by the consultant (more on them later). We'll probably have several animation teams, one for every style (20x6, 1936, TGS, etc.), just to diminish the amount of work for each animator, but of course, we know that the regular-Free Country style will get the most work, so only apply for a job in that if you have more free time. To audition, send a lnik to a Homestar animation you've done (merely post it on Newgrounds or a Tripod or Geocities site if you don't have a website) and try to get as close to the current style of whatever your auditioning for- unless, of ocurse, you have an idea on how to improve the current design!

)UPDATE: Okay, okay, with my minimal knowledge of flash, I didn't realize there was a difference between designing and animating characters. Okay, so, if you want to DESIGN characters, please post a fewpicture of your best shot at the current Homestar design (copy/paste doesn't count :p ). If you want to aNIMATE, ask for permission from one of the designers to use some of their designs and do a small animayion, of either just movement, or using dialogue for Marzipan's Answering Machine, but animated, toshow off the mouth movements)

Store Managers
Now, obviously, Project: Jumpshark has to pull in money to pay for the domain and other supplies somehow. So, we'd keep the store open. And to manage it, we would have what we'd call Store Managers. They would be srota like engineers at the disney parks- they would come up with ideas for products and ways to realize them. I can safely say, since this is a wikiforum-based company, I can assure you some of our products would be more fan-based. By that I mean 2 things: a) We'd take polls to see what kindof products the fans want and, ultimately, which ones would draw in the most money and b0 we'd publish some works by fans. Personally, I'd love to see some T-Shirts with willDrawForPocky (t0_t3h_m00n) art on them, or a purchaseable software version of snowthrower's excellent Compy 386 emulator. Again, all ideas will be passed by the Consultant (more on them next). To audition, please come up with a few concepts for products you think would draw in fans and money and show them to me.

CONSULTANT aka GOD
Finally, the much-aformentioned Consultant. this will be the Big Guy, the one person that everything goes thru. He(or she, but I'll just refer to them as he for now)'ll be the boss- he'll approve scripts, approve the voice acting, approve the animation, and approve any possible prodcuts we'll be selling. This person will be there for solely one purpose- to make sure that Homestar- though using a much different style to produce the cartoons- still remains very similar to the classic TBC cartoons. As such, they need to be someone that Homestar means very much to, and who has a vision on how to keep the website alive and growing. So, to audition, you must write an essay about a) what Homestar means to you personally and b) how you would make sure it stayed alive, and what you would make sure would or wouldn't happen under your leadership. If when I recieve all the essays, I don't think anyway is suited for the job, I will take this position.

All in all, you may be thinking "Why do we need all these people for what's being done right now by- basically- only two?" Well, there are many good reasons, but the most satisfying two are these...

    a) TBC are basically jacks of all trades. They are masters at all topics listed above. because they are so talented, it would be hard to find two-or even five or six- people to replace their work. This way, we can have really good people in all areas, not people with strengths in one area and weaknesses in others, yet who run the whole thing.

    b) Becauase this will be mainly volunteer work (we may get some of the money from sales for our efforts, but more than likely, not much), and you people are probably already loaded down with school or owrk, I'm sure none of you are very willing to drop everything and just start running Homestar Runner. This way, everything is evenly distributed, and nobody works harder than necessary.

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Well, we do have some pretty good animators here.

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I could animate, but I can't give you a Homestar animation sample. I can't draw the characters. Add artists, mabye I'll try out.

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This is definitely a great idea. I'd like to be naive and sa TBC will never lose its touch, but I'm not going to, cause I know nothing lasts forever *sigh*


I'll apply to be a writer, but two questions about it
1. Should I PM you my entry?
2. Can I include easter eggs for the transcript?

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For your questions, Shishu, you can either PM or post here, whichever you're more comfortable with and yes, please do include easter eggs in your script.

And for all upset by the fact that you can animate, but not draw, the characters, check out my updated job descriptions.

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I'll give ya this for now.
I had much better things, but I had to wipe out my computer because of a virus.http://img260.echo.cx/my.php?image=squareber0uc.swf

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I'm a very good writer, so if I'm still into Homestar Runner by the time the it goes down, (likely) and if I have enouth time to write (not as likely), I would volunteer for this thing.

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Great idea! I'm not going to be a part of it... having absolutly NO talents in flash or voices... or ideas...

H*R is one of those things that will be greatly missed when gone, this is a great idea to keep it striving for some time.

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I could be a writer.

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I'd be a writer. I'm good at stuff like that...

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REALITY CHECKAGE!

Why would the TBC call it quits? there making all kinds of money selling DVDS and posters and shirts...and alot of people who will buy whatever they throw out. And even if they do, WHY OH WHY would they give the rights to homestar to a bunch of people on some fan fourm? Ecspecially ones that say theve "jumped the shark" Since we all know, they hate people who say that.

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I would do any of those jobs. But I don't think that'll happen anytime soon. Seriously. Homestar has many more years to come.

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[q] REALITY CHECKAGE!

Why would the TBC call it quits? there making all kinds of money selling DVDS and posters and shirts...and alot of people who will buy whatever they throw out. And even if they do, WHY OH WHY would they give the rights to homestar to a bunch of people on some fan fourm? Ecspecially ones that say theve "jumped the shark" Since we all know, they hate people who say that![/q]

I REALIZE that TBC won't call it quits anytime soon and I'm NOT SAYING they've jumped the shark yET, or nescesarrily that they ever WILL. The point is, they probably will EVENTUALLY quit for some reason, so if we go ahead and set up our production team now, we can hop on and get on the ball immediately after. Catch my drift?

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Bad bad bad idea. Once TBC feels it's time for Homestar to end, I'm sure they wouldn't want some fan-made imitation being passed off as the real thing. And I'm sorry, but it's very unlikely any of us here would be able to emulate their humour week after week. Plus I'd rather have the Homestar series end while it's still funny than be dragged on until it just gets pathetic, like The Simpsons is doing.

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[jamesearljones] I find your lack of faith disturbing... [/jamesearljones]

Please, people- the whole purpose of this is not to drag Homestar on- it is to make sure that once The Bros. DO retire, that their work is in good hands, because I'm sure many others less capable would be willing to jump on, and that Homestar WOULD end up like the Simpsons, dragging on passed its prime. I believe that we at the Wiki are more than just a "fan forum"- we are devoted Homestar fans who would pour our souls (well, or at least close) into making it as close to authentic TBC humor as possible. As for not being able to produce Homestar humor that's good evry week- you're right! We can't! But niehter can tBC, as you may have noticed. They have their off weeks and they're mediocre weeks, then some weeks where their material seems inspired! I'm sorry, but I just find your pessimism disturbing, becuase I don't think you're seeing the whole picture of my vision here.

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Why would TBC let some bad animators at some forum continue their work when they want it to end?

When TBC want it to end, they aren't going to let some more people continue it.

That's the whole point of ending.

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And just a reminder: It does seem impossible for TBC to quit now. It is impossible for them to quit now. This is years ahead in the future we're talking about. Suppose you woke up 15 years from now? 30? 100? Where would H*R be? Although, I'm sure by the time H*R does call it quits, none of us would have had the determination to be fanatics for that long. At least not most of us, because H*R is still going to go strong for a long, long time.

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A very good idea! Me would help out somehow... Hopfully it won't come to it for quite some time...(fingers crossed)

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My opinion: no, no, no, no. As some others have said, I only want the REAL real thing. I don't want some other people taking over. And besides, the Bros Chaps will never jump the shark. Trust me. About retiring, well, since they're mortal, they'll have to retire sometime, but like Joshua said, that's at least 30 years from now! We have at least 30 more years worth of Homestar stuff to enjoy. If we're going to worry about this, let's at least wait some more!

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Okay, personally, our viewpoints aren't matching up here Forebird and Joshua. TBC are not going to call it quits because they WANT it to end- I'm sure they've grown accustomed to their lives, and they also care a great deal about their characters, as all storytellers do after such a long time. I'm sure if they quit, it will be either because T-Shirt sales go down or they mature and decide they want to do something more. (Its just called Project: Jumpshark because I though it was a clever name). And I HIGHLY doubt it will go on for 15-30 more years, Joshua. I'm saying, at the most, 5 or 6 more. I mean, honestly, TBC are grown men. And eventually, like the Simpsons, if they go on that long, they'll lose their touch. They'll be doing just cuz they know the fans want it. Then, they really WILL have jumped the shark. We're not TRYING to drag Homestar on here- we're trying to keep it thriving whilst PREVENTING it from losing its touch. Catch my drift?

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Well calculating on howa plan to get a flash making program soon, and how it'll be at least a decade in my opinion longer I'll probably be there to animate. Or if something terribly wrong hapens like TBC are sent to another dimension for 40 years next week, I could still probably to Powered by The Cheat. You'd have to find a way to get the rights from them though and it'll bring Homestar to a new generation.

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Okay, personally, our viewpoints aren't matching up here Forebird and Joshua. TBC are not going to call it quits because they WANT it to end- I'm sure they've grown accustomed to their lives, and they also care a great deal about their characters, as all storytellers do after such a long time. I'm sure if they quit, it will be either because T-Shirt sales go down or they mature and decide they want to do something more. (Its just called Project: Jumpshark because I though it was a clever name). And I HIGHLY doubt it will go on for 15-30 more years, Joshua. I'm saying, at the most, 5 or 6 more. I mean, honestly, TBC are grown men. And eventually, like the Simpsons, if they go on that long, they'll lose their touch. They'll be doing just cuz they know the fans want it. Then, they really WILL have jumped the shark. We're not TRYING to drag Homestar on here- we're trying to keep it thriving whilst PREVENTING it from losing its touch. Catch my drift?

I still don't understand your logic. TBC aren't going to let some bad animators continue their cartoon.

Plus, you're going to have a whole lot of trouble-

First, this is a hard working job (you do know that TBC do this full-time?), and you're not that old.
Second, it's going to be very hard keeping it up every Monday (whoever animates will have to send it to you, whoever voices it has to send it to you, etc.), and they are half way across the country! What if they animate something you don't like, and they have to do it again? You only have a week! You also have to write scripts every week, and you still have school to deal with. What if someone forgets about it? What if someone quits and the voices change?
Third, no one is going to like crappy animation and voices and humor that TBC will no longer bring.

I'm not trying to bring you down, I'm just trying to say that you're putting, in my opinion, too much effort into something that more than likely won't ever happen.

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Ok, If this were to work, put me down for voice actor and/or writer. I'll get you some sort of sample later.

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I can't vote yes on this. Without TBC, H*R just won't be the same. I mean, sure, we could write stuff like they do, and animate it like they do, but it just wouldn't be the same. When Mike and Matt ever decide to put Homestar out to pasture, we should respect those wishes, if for nothing more than a small gesture of gratitude for all the free entertainment they've given us.

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I have a ton of Homestar Runner Flash symbols in FLA files, but I'm terrible at lip-syncing characters.

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I have a question, won't there be some legal problems with this, along with the huge amount of money this is going to cost? I mean, we could get into serious problems if we just took over copyrighted material and made money off if it. We would have to buy all the rights to H*R, which will cost a lot. That, and how are the people making the 'new' H*R going to be compensated?

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That, and how are the people making the 'new' H*R going to be compensated?

That's what I was trying to say in my post.

When Homestar dies, keep it dead.

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It's a well-intentioned idea, but I agree with some of the above posters; there would be legal trouble, there would be trouble compensating people, there would probably be a kind of stigma on what might be considered "rip-off" material. I hope H*R lasts for a good long time, but it has to end sometime.

I don't want to die before I get to see it all. :-S

Besides, I think if TBC want the site to continue without them, they will handpick the people who will do it.

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Umm...no, no...and no.

If Homestar ever gets dead, it should stay in the grave.

But we should just keep the wiki up so we can have the whole website to look back it. :)

EDIT: But I do hope they quit before I die. Otherwise, I'll kill myself if I can't see it all!

Oh wait...I'll be dead. :p

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Here's what Mike Chapman said in the Pulse! interview on TV once about people, like the person who put this post up, who think that Homestarrunner.com is going to someday "jump the shark"

MIKE CHAPMAN: I read on a message board--and that's when I stopped going to these message boards to sortof read what the fans were saying. Somebody said, "Homestar Runner jumped the shark" and it's like... {momentarily shakes his head} It's me and my brother making cartoons for the internet in our apartment. We haven't "jumped the shark". That just doesn't even apply.

So you see, your anticipation of the eventual downfall of Homestarrunner.com is pretty absurd, considering it really is more of a personal project than a job for the Chapmans.

And if the Chapmans decide to stop making Homestar toons and close the site, that will be that. You have to respect their decision and not bastardize the Homestar name by making unauthorized cartoons using the Chapman's characters.

Realistically, if the Chapman's ever were to stop doing the site, it will probably be because they move on to something bigger, not because they lose their creative touch. They could easily get a TV deal for a Homestar show or some other project, just based on their past success. I know they've said they don't want to do TV, but if the money was right, it could happen.

As mentioned by other posters, a big problem is that you don't own the rights to the characters and the Chapman brothers will not give you the rights.

The Chapman's have said before publicly that, apart from the type of things that end up in the "Weekly Fanstuff" section, they don't want other people making and publishing Homestar cartoons.

You seem to assume that because you and others are fans of the site that you can replicate the Chapman's style of humor. That's pretty insulting to the Chapman's, really. Are they that replaceable? Is it that easy to imitate their style of writing/humor?

The Chapman bros. built the website from the ground up and did it on their own terms, without placing banner ads or publicizing. It's become the most popular internet Flash cartoon based almost solely on word-of-mouth...And now you think you are going to waltz in and replace them? As if you are as qualified just because you've watched all the cartoons?

This is a ridiculous fantasy of yours that you will be taking over the site and make it funny again, because it's still plenty funny now and shows no sign of stopping.


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