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wow i set off a chain reaction here didnt i? that settles it. I LIKE THIS FORUM! XD :ehsteve:

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I wonder... is it like some sort of publicity thing? I mean, is it possible that they haven't updated in a while to get us talking about it? Maybe they're at the point where they are considering whether to finish up things with h*r to concentrate on something else, and are just seeing how much the fans care about the site.

Or, perhaps, this is some form of :homsar: world and they're playing a game where they have to wait for the fans to guess the correct reason for their absence.

Just some thoughts that (I don't think) haven't already been expressed. Heh!

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Ok, I've had it. They didn't make a cartoon for the holidays, GET OVER IT! There was a point in August where they didn't update sbemail for 7 weeks but no one posted anything about it. They are probably busy and have better things to worry about than making a cartoon. And whoever started this, "They don't care about their fans" crap can shove it. If it wasn't for the fans, they wouldn't have any money and would be asking you "Paper or plastic?" They didn't update, they will. Don't worry.

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Ok, I've had it. They didn't make a cartoon for the holidays, GET OVER IT! There was a point in August where they didn't update sbemail for 7 weeks but no one posted anything about it.


Yes, but that's because they were updating other stuff. And, for the record, many whiny snots DID complain.

Not that I disagree with you (in fact, I agree with you heartily), just making sure you get your facts straight.

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IMO, I'm disappointed that there were no holiday toons - it was something that I was very much looking forward to (as I always do with their big regular holiday toons).

It would have been nice to at least see a Merry Christmas message, on the front page...or a Happy New Year.

Despite being disappointed, this also makes me really really excited for the next update too.

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IMO, I'm disappointed that there were no holiday toons - it was something that I was very much looking forward to (as I always do with their big regular holiday toons).

It would have been nice to at least see a Merry Christmas message, on the front page...or a Happy New Year.

Despite being disappointed, this also makes me really really excited for the next update too.


Meh, I have a feeling that it won't be that great... I dunno why... It's just a feeling.

By the way, does anyone know what the record time for H*R non-updating has been? Cause this is the longest wait I've seen since I started going to the site.


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A button on the site that says "New stuff coming eventually!"


Other than an actual update, a simple note like that is really all I want. It's not really important to me what the holdup is (although I sincerely hope it's not something serious in their personal lives or in the life of someone close to them). After nearly a month, I just need something that says, "We're still here."

It's like when someone in your family should have been home already, and you stay up late waiting for them. You try to call their mobile but it goes straight to voicemail. You can tell yourself that they're probably fine (and they probably are), but until you hear their voice, if only for a second, you worry.


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And as I pointed out, we don't have to be informed when there aren't updates. When nothing new is on the "what's new" button, that's how you can figure out that there aren't updates.


Well, duh. But they should still give some indication they're working on something, or say why they haven't made a cartoon in so long, or say they're taking a break before they do. It's called "respect for your fanbase".



-_-...is it really worth getting all worked up over this? Seriously GIVE THEM A BREAK! They've been VERY good to us fans and they diserve time away. Yes, maybe they should have left a note or something but that doesn't make them suddanly "horrible people who treat their fans like crap! Oh noes!" 9.9

They'll update when they're ready...hopefully sooner than later. But if anyone diserves a break it's TBC. They work so hard and it's amazing that they've kept it up as long as they have.

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IMO, I'm disappointed that there were no holiday toons - it was something that I was very much looking forward to (as I always do with their big regular holiday toons).

It would have been nice to at least see a Merry Christmas message, on the front page...or a Happy New Year.

Despite being disappointed, this also makes me really really excited for the next update too.


Meh, I have a feeling that it won't be that great... I dunno why... It's just a feeling.

By the way, does anyone know what the record time for H*R non-updating has been? Cause this is the longest wait I've seen since I started going to the site.


I'm sure when the website was very young and they didn't have any ideas that they didn't update for a while. There may be something about this on the wiki.

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Word on the street is some people have lives outside of their jobs. Perhaps they're engaging in that? It IS the holidays, folks. It's just a cartoon--don't get too crazy if there aren't frequent regular updates all of the time. The Chaps do have friends and family.

Artists--composers, authors, producers, flash toon makers--undergo things called "blocks." It means for a while, they just can't think of anything decent enough that hasn't already been done (among other definitions). It doesn't mean they're not trying or that they're absent. But every time they sit down and go for it, inspiration is replace by a feeling of "wtf?"

Among the oodles of other quite possible but varyingly probable explanations in this thread, throw that in. They just don't know. Along with all of the other distractions. Okay, big deal. We all go through that. We don't have to broadcast it--it's not a defined thing. When something comes, it'll come. We don't know when that is, and we don't much care, because based on our creativity, it WILL come. Well, I don't get as worried, at least. Maybe I'm just apathetic.

You can tell your fans that, sure. "Uh, we're a little confused and not thinking right now, so it's going to take a little longer for us to think of something. We're not running out of ideas, we just...don't know where we are." But why? It lowers expectations, and it really doesn't tell us anything.

Paaaatience. Virtue. A month is just a month. Concern, fine. Some of you seem pretty attached to them, okay. Anger? Why? Zen it out, folks.


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A button on the site that says "New stuff coming eventually!"


Other than an actual update, a simple note like that is really all I want. It's not really important to me what the holdup is (although I sincerely hope it's not something serious in their personal lives or in the life of someone close to them). After nearly a month, I just need something that says, "We're still here."

It's like when someone in your family should have been home already, and you stay up late waiting for them. You try to call their mobile but it goes straight to voicemail. You can tell yourself that they're probably fine (and they probably are), but until you hear their voice, if only for a second, you worry.


Now this makes sense, and I don't blame you for that. I can see why you'd just want some reassurance


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If I had to make a guess (and this may have already been covered), I would guess that the holiday store sales may be the culprit for their lack of updates.

H*R is as popular as ever, and as far as I know it is them and their parents who manage the orders. I did a quick (really really quick) glance through the wiki, and I couldn't see anything that proves otherwise. It could simply be that they are swamped from that. Combined with any holiday celebrations I can't really blame them for taking some time off.

However, I can't say that I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of acknowledgment (even a simple, "hello, we are alive" would more then suffice)

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If I had to make a guess (and this may have already been covered), I would guess that the holiday store sales may be the culprit for their lack of updates.

H*R is as popular as ever, and as far as I know it is them and their parents who manage the orders. I did a quick (really really quick) glance through the wiki, and I couldn't see anything that proves otherwise. It could simply be that they are swamped from that. Combined with any holiday celebrations I can't really blame them for taking some time off.

However, I can't say that I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of acknowledgment (even a simple, "hello, we are alive" would more then suffice)


Stu is correct and so is Interruptor Jones. Prove me wrong if you like, but they sure are right.

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I don't mind waiting at all. I mean, there's nothing else we can do. Unless someone has a way of contacting them, we'll just have to wait and hope that nothing serious happened.

....maybe their compy is all like, "virus = very yes"

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Though it's already been disscussed to death in this thread, I'll jump on the bandwagon about the debate from before (If you wish to call it that).

I'll make a reall far-off analogy about Homestar Runner. Though, like I just said, is really far off, it has a short meaning in it.

Let's take the most popular show on Nickelodeon, Spongebob. There have been times these last few years where we don't see a new episode for, like, quite a few months. Does the show lose fans? Yes. Does most of the fanbase stay because of the great things Spongebob has offered in the past? Yes.

Do people still buy their stuff left-and-right even though it is getting a little old and the updates are falling back and regaining momentum at random times? Yes; a lot, in fact.

So, my basic point is that even though Spongebob doesn't update for a few months, the fans don't go all crazy about it and complain. The same should be with Homestar; maybe TBC are having a writers block or they are having trouble coming up with a new idea? It's nothing to worry about, but a lot of fans complain due to no update over the busiest month of the year.

But, Spongebob is only one of the cartoons that the makers of it offer. So, that's where the two are different. Cartoon creators on TV often offer numerous different cartoons to the public at once or one-at-a-time; meaning that they have different fanbases for different people. Some do care about lack of cartoons, some don't.

But, to get off that, I must say that it's nothing big about no update or notice on Homestar Runner. It's beginning to become popular and fans should be able to understand that it takes time to make long toons like those on the site whereas updating something on the store can take a few minutes to tinker with the html to input that text.

It's a long stretch, but I hope some of you understand my point.

EDIT: I have the '555 Deal' on my posts. Woo-hoo.

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I agree with all you people who say it's not that big a deal. They're probably just taking a break. A well deserved and perfectly fine break. They're not treating us like crap and they don't hate us. They just want to take some time off, I'm guessing.

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I don't mind waiting at all. I mean, there's nothing else we can do. Unless someone has a way of contacting them, we'll just have to wait and hope that nothing serious happened.

....maybe their compy is all like, "virus = very yes"


That's not likely.
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Then why have they been hardly updating lately, and not even bothering with Xmas/new years toons, or even Weekly fan stuff. They'll probably continue as normal too, I guarantee it.

They're popular now; they don't have to give a crap about their fans.



I think that TBC were really dumb to not have posted a "See you on January nth!" type message, and it almost makes me think that something unfortunate has happened, but Rose, what you're posting is pure doody...

It's really easy: If you think that TBC are treating "you" so awfully, then quit going to the site. Quit posting here, too. If there's no new content for long enough, then people WILL quit visiting the site and generating income, so it is simple business sense to keep the sites content fresh.

The "fans" aren't being treated like crap, and TBC haven't just suddenly got popular and have therefore decided to abandon their fanbase. For all you know the business could be run by a completely seperate entity who are able to update parts of the site independantly from TBC.

You're doing an awful lot of [omitted] for someone who purports to be a fan.

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Well, duh. But they should still give some indication they're working on something, or say why they haven't made a cartoon in so long, or say they're taking a break before they do. It's called "respect for your fanbase".

Except they don't really know when they're about to make something or take a break or whatever. On December 8 they didn't say "let's not do anything with the site for 20 days."


To be fair we don't know that they didn't and it's equally as possible as anything anyone else is saying.

I personally think they're loosing interest in either the fans or H*R, or most likely both. I am not saying that's what happened, just what I believe is happening from what I've seen.

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A button on the site that says "New stuff coming eventually!"


Other than an actual update, a simple note like that is really all I want. It's not really important to me what the holdup is (although I sincerely hope it's not something serious in their personal lives or in the life of someone close to them). After nearly a month, I just need something that says, "We're still here."


That's all I want too. If you have some fans believing you're DEAD, you're doing something wrong.

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Christmas Rose wrote:
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A button on the site that says "New stuff coming eventually!"


Other than an actual update, a simple note like that is really all I want. It's not really important to me what the holdup is (although I sincerely hope it's not something serious in their personal lives or in the life of someone close to them). After nearly a month, I just need something that says, "We're still here."


That's all I want too. If you have some fans believing you're DEAD, you're doing something wrong.


Or maybe you're doing something right, considering people have to care about you to want to know if you're dead.

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It's like when someone in your family should have been home already, and you stay up late waiting for them. You try to call their mobile but it goes straight to voicemail. You can tell yourself that they're probably fine (and they probably are), but until you hear their voice, if only for a second, you worry.


Wow... that happened to me once... Anyhoo, on to the point. I seriously think that everyone here should just quit complaining. "Ooh, they didn't tell us that they would be gone! OMG! THEY HATE US! WAHHHAHAHHH!!!"
Sure, I'm dissapointed that they haven't updated in about a month, but I'm not gonna hate them for it... I predict the last stinkoman level soon...

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Everyone, pretend email 139 was the season finale to your favorite show. It'll be gone for awhile, but eventually it'll be back with all-new crap.

Some sort of message to the fans would be appreciated, but all you people actively getting mad at TBC need to just chill out.

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Everyone, pretend email 139 was the season finale to your favorite show. It'll be gone for awhile, but eventually it'll be back with all-new crap.


CONCUR'D! That was another point I was trying to make in my last post (Though a little hard to see), TBC could be trying to bring their site up to TV-standards now, since their merchandise is always increasing and they're making more money off the store products.

That's actually a good idea to go in seasons (If they're doing it that way).

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Well, I'm pretty sure at this stage they don't give a crap about their fans.


Uhh...yes they do. TBC's job is Homestar Runner. Their fans are...whoever the crap hands out paychecks. Without their fans, they'd be working at a McDonalds or something.


hahaha! they would do no such thing. before h*r they had decent jobs. i mean, they've been to college and everything. if i'm remembering correctly, Matt used to work for Netscape.


He worked for Mindspring/Earthlink, not Netscape.

He did some pretty rockin' work there.

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With the talent I've seen, there's no way they'd work at McDonalds. If anything, they are giving up a lot of money to do what they love.

I'm sure this isn't the "end of homestar." I've been checking this site since the email "sisters" and there have been more scares than I can count. Still, four weeks is quite a long hiatus.

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Well, after noticing there's still no updates on H*R, I decided to stumble upon these forums looking for answers.

I agree with the others that we shouldn't be too hard on TBC, although I honestly am a little disappointed with no Decemberween/New Year stuff this year. I'm also a bit curious why there hasn't been any word about the reason for this on the main site. Also, I ordered The Strongbad Overkill Combo and a t-shirt on 9th of December but didn't get the shipping confirmation until the 29th day. Lots of holiday orders keeping them busy, perhaps?
Whatever has happened, let it be an accident, burnout or visiting family, they deserve a break. It still would've been nice for them to somehow notify about this.

Peace and stuff. Noob out.

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did they like die or something, I mean it's been forever sence the last update, and they could easily make one, or at least update the weeklies

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Ok, Ok...ooooo kkkkkk....

Christmas Rose (might want to change your name soon), your points are many that I brought up awhile back and agree with. BUT. The one thing I do not really agree with is that TBC hate their fans. No. I agree they should really tell us what is going on if they plan on being absent so long, but they haven't and probably will not.

But they don't hate their fans. I think the real problem is they are just tired of doing it. They made a ton of toons this past fall, which is one reason the past six months have seen less and less SBEmail i'm sure. Obviously it takes more time than we probably think to do all of that. Stinkoman's final level MUST be a doozy since it still isn't out and it's been since September. They are most likely putting a lot of thought into the story, level, enemies and bosses to make it seriously as awesome as possible. Between making the many short toons, puppet stuff and etc.

We also do not know what projects are "in the works," that we haven't even HEARD of yet. Like maybe a new game, an extra long toon, something new and original we haven't thought of.... who knows what it could be.

Maybe after months and months of all this they just wanted to stop for the holidays. Maybe they haven't and what they're working on is more important than holiday toons in their opinions.

There are so many reasons. So many possibilities. Perhaps it's a little paranoia to think that they just hate their fans. That can't be true.

I'm a little perturbed there was no real explanation of this absence that continues on even today, but there is nothing we can do about it.

Compared to most any other flash animation website, TBC deliver quality toons much MUCH faster than any other I know of that isn't a huge TEAM of people instead of just two plus a programmer and stuff.

I'm not that happy about it all, but we can't really do anything. They probably will come back and maybe even have StrongBad point out all the emails they've most certainly gotten with regards to their absence. It might and probably would even be funny if they do.

Anyway. I do hope that this is not the begining of the end. The worst scenario is that they are tiring of H*R and another year or two might be all they have left in them. They've probably made enough money by now that they really don't HAVE to even do this anymore if they don't want to. They might could retire for all we know.

Anyway. Let's hope that next monday there is SOMETHING. It's been waaay too long.


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There's no point speculating until more information is made available. I can see why the mods locked previous threads; all this conjecture is mildly entertaining but mostly useless.


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