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| Author: | TrogdorTSL [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:40 am ] |
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i made a topic about a drug reference and nobody yelled at me yet... and i dont think TBC are druggys...
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| Author: | Kittie Rose [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:06 am ] |
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Quote: Looks perfectly reasonable to me. By joining, you are placing your trust in the admins that they will not abuse their power, which they have never done. This is just like on any forum.
That's the thing, I really don't. I tend to go for forums that don't have "we can screw you over how we like" in the rules. I like admins to give me a reason to trust in them, otherwise it just looks like they're covering something up(Which they nearly always are; a lack of skill at being admins). |
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| Author: | Ju Ju Master [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:33 am ] |
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Christmas Rose wrote: Quote: Looks perfectly reasonable to me. By joining, you are placing your trust in the admins that they will not abuse their power, which they have never done. This is just like on any forum. That's the thing, I really don't. I tend to go for forums that don't have "we can screw you over how we like" in the rules. I like admins to give me a reason to trust in them, otherwise it just looks like they're covering something up(Which they nearly always are; a lack of skill at being admins). They're not saying that they will, that rule rarely goes into play, it's just there in case, and it makes perfect sense. I'd put that in my rules. What do you mean by covering up that they're lacxking the skill to be admins? |
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| Author: | Kittie Rose [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:34 am ] |
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Because you shouldn't need to fall back on "Just do what we say". When they do what they have to, it should be blatant that they're doing so and they shouldn't need to have to do things without being questioned. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:36 am ] |
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Christmas Rose wrote: Because you shouldn't need to fall back on "Just do what we say". When they do what they have to, it should be blatant that they're doing so and they shouldn't need to have to do things without being questioned.
Well, it IS their forum, so, technically, they can do as they please. I've always thought that, if someone is providing a service, particularly if it is a FREE service, that you should just do whatever they say.. Makes sense. |
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| Author: | Icebrand [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:20 am ] |
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Christmas Rose wrote: Because you shouldn't need to fall back on "Just do what we say". When they do what they have to, it should be blatant that they're doing so and they shouldn't need to have to do things without being questioned.
I don't necessarily agree with this. The Something Awful forum used to have, literally, in its rules: "I will ban you if you break the rules. I will ban you if I don't like you. I will ban you if I am playing Scrabble and I get a triple word score on a word that starts on the same letter as your username. I will ban you just to ban you." but its moderation team is considered to be fair and efficient. It's better to have an "outs" rule in your official rules, because there are loophole-loving nitwits who otherwise will troll in ways that don't break the *letter* of the law, and then defy you to come up with an official reason to ban them. |
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| Author: | Kittie Rose [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:34 am ] |
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But you get those rule benders anyway. I've been on several forums where the mods have actually even recognised this, and refused to do anything about it. It would be much better to have a rule AGAINST that sort of thing, because most people can identify it easily. |
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| Author: | Mr. Analog [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:40 am ] |
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All I know after nealry 11 years of internet use is that; be it BBS, IRC a Forum or even a mailing list, if it's unmoderated there is heck of a lot more noise than signal. :-/ |
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| Author: | Icebrand [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:43 am ] |
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Christmas Rose wrote: But you get those rule benders anyway. I've been on several forums where the mods have actually even recognised this, and refused to do anything about it.
It would be much better to have a rule AGAINST that sort of thing, because most people can identify it easily. A rule against what? A rule against bending the rules? Isn't that kind of self-evidently ridiculous? |
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| Author: | The Experimental Film [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Hmm. |
Rosalie, what sort of topics are you suggesting to be discussed on this alternate forum of yours? |
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| Author: | Kittie Rose [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:28 am ] |
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Icebrand wrote: Christmas Rose wrote: But you get those rule benders anyway. I've been on several forums where the mods have actually even recognised this, and refused to do anything about it. It would be much better to have a rule AGAINST that sort of thing, because most people can identify it easily. A rule against what? A rule against bending the rules? Isn't that kind of self-evidently ridiculous? Any more than "No matter what we do, it's right"? Something like "There may be certain grey areas where other kinds of disruptive behaviour not in the rules come into play." Some boards don't even have rules, just "Behave and be nice". |
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| Author: | The Experimental Film [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Eh? |
I repeat: what sort of topics are you suggesting to be discussed on this alternate forum of yours? |
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| Author: | Icebrand [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:35 am ] |
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Christmas Rose wrote: Any more than "No matter what we do, it's right"? Something like "There may be certain grey areas where other kinds of disruptive behaviour not in the rules come into play."
Some boards don't even have rules, just "Behave and be nice". "No matter what we do, it's right" is pretty much a way to state the latter, only with a sense of humor about it. |
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| Author: | Kevin DuBrow [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:44 pm ] |
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I don't think you'll find an adult oriented forum about Homestar Runner. It's just not something that would happen. |
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| Author: | Occasional JD [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:53 pm ] |
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I don't think she means something set at adults. Just not something set at kids. I assume she means somewhere were she can say things a little on the dangerous side without getting PM'd by the mods. |
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| Author: | Lor [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:34 pm ] |
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Kitty Rose wrote: Because you shouldn't need to fall back on "Just do what we say". When they do what they have to, it should be blatant that they're doing so and they shouldn't need to have to do things without being questioned.
I don't think I've ever seen a forum or discussion board that didn't have a rule like this. If you didn't have some kind of blanket cover-all rule like this, you'd have to make so many little ridiculous rules just to prevent jerks. Furthermore, the actions of the admins will NEVER, and I mean NEVER, be blatantly logical to all of the people all of the time. People will -always- question what they do, simply due to the nature of their job. They have to make judgements. It's their call. People will always get upset when the admins make a decision. That's why you need the blanket, 'do as we say' rule. And I, for one, have absolutely no problem with it. |
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| Author: | Einoo T. Spork [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:36 pm ] |
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Just a little note, I'm surprised that none of you H*R veterans have mentioned homestarrunner.net. Admittedly, it's dead now, but I seem to recall people saying that the rules (as far as profanity went) were very relaxed. One-Post Toastpaint |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:40 pm ] |
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Homestarrunner.net is no more... The owner shut it down and gave it to us, as best as I remember. |
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| Author: | cakeman [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:34 am ] |
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C Rose: Well, if you are looking for a board where you can just call TBC stoners who don't give a crap about their fans without upsetting H*R fans... ...this one is not the one. |
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| Author: | TrogdorTSL [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:45 am ] |
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cakeman wrote: C Rose: Well, if you are looking for a board where you can just call TBC stoners who don't give a crap about their fans without upsetting H*R fans...
...this one is not the one. i am the walrus, i am the cakeman. too true. make your oun forum if all u want to talk about is insulting things. you said u cant talk about the characters in this forum... waht cant you discuss? do u want to talk about and 's sex life?
In conclusion. we at the forum can talk about anythihng that isnt gross or just wrong. |
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| Author: | Dagger [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:06 am ] |
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Ok ive read most of the topic and ill comment on all o' it. About TBC being stoned while making toons or whatever.. Just because they're funny and come up with good jokes and stupid crap sometimes dosent mean theyre on drugs. It means they have a great imagination. I know quite a few people that just are really funny and are so imaginative.. that arent on drugs lol. And about what age range H*R is towards.. I think it started to be for guys like TBC's age but it grew and its for much wider range of people now. All the H*R fans i know are 12-16. And about talking about like, drugs and all that crap, Ok, im 14 and i dont mind talking about that stuff. Teens these days are informed on all that stuff just from going to school that im sure unless the people are like 10 years old, most wont care. And really if you did want to make a specefic forum about it you could make a subforum that requires a password or something. It wouldnt make a real difference if you did that or made a new forum since (last time i checked) you can make subforums in subforums. I think i got everything.. |
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| Author: | The Experimental Film [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Again. |
Well, Rosalie, due to your refusal to answer my question, I can only assume your reason for starting this thread is once again, just for arguing. Honestly, what do you plan on discussing? TBC's possible use of drugs? Easily done here, as long as we stay civil to each other. I don't think nintendogs123 or The Noid is going to be offended if debaters calmly offer up opinions about it. What, exactly, is your reason for starting yet another vendetta against yourself? |
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| Author: | Ninti [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:18 am ] |
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I wouldn't be offended at all. And sometimes I think you really do just create topics to just..... argue. |
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| Author: | SeƱor [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:30 am ] |
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Dagger wrote: Ok ive read most of the topic and ill comment on all o' it.
About TBC being stoned while making toons or whatever.. Just because they're funny and come up with good jokes and stupid crap sometimes dosent mean theyre on drugs. It means they have a great imagination. I know quite a few people that just are really funny and are so imaginative.. that arent on drugs lol. And about what age range H*R is towards.. I think it started to be for guys like TBC's age but it grew and its for much wider range of people now. All the H*R fans i know are 12-16. And about talking about like, drugs and all that crap, Ok, im 14 and i dont mind talking about that stuff. Teens these days are informed on all that stuff just from going to school that im sure unless the people are like 10 years old, most wont care. And really if you did want to make a specefic forum about it you could make a subforum that requires a password or something. It wouldnt make a real difference if you did that or made a new forum since (last time i checked) you can make subforums in subforums. I think i got everything.. Dagger, I agree with you on every front. Except for that subforum. That would be called segregation, and many would be angry. And welcome to the forums. |
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| Author: | It's dot com [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Again. |
The Experimental Film wrote: Well, Rosalie, due to your refusal to answer my question, I can only assume your reason for starting this thread is once again, just for arguing.
It seems like the only reason to post a comment like that is to bait her into arguing with you. Perhaps she didn't reply to you because everyone has pretty much had their say by now and the topic is kinda winding down. Maybe she is just ignoring you. Whatever the reason, stop bringing it up in an attempt to start a fight. |
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| Author: | cakeman [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:13 am ] |
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TrogdorTSL wrote: cakeman wrote: C Rose: Well, if you are looking for a board where you can just call TBC stoners who don't give a crap about their fans without upsetting H*R fans... ...this one is not the one. i am the walrus, i am the cakeman. too true. make your oun forum if all u want to talk about is insulting things. you said u cant talk about the characters in this forum... waht cant you discuss? do u want to talk about and 's sex life?In conclusion. we at the forum can talk about anythihng that isnt gross or just wrong. 1.) Actually, it's after Homestar's line "Or maybe a tatoo that says 'Cakeman'". Lovable homestar nonsense. I *was* killyoukillyou, which I also though was amusing insanity, but people thought it was scary. So I decided to change to something more acceptable before the eighth came and I'd be killyoukillyou forever. 2.) Um, I know people who would talk about that on other forums - they aren't people you want to hang around. In fact, I watched this guy who runs a certain comic book humor site was scared away from his own messageboard by the inhabiting community talked and showed so many pictures of things that were just *Wrong* like that ("They have this game where they try to scar my childhood"). More adult <> More fun, I agree. And if there's another community you like, they'll probably have a general forum that you can post an "official homestar runner" thread in. |
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| Author: | DeathlyPallor [ Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:32 am ] |
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I think what Rose wants is to get to a form where there she would be talking to people who are more her peers, rather than a bunch of people who are between the ages of 10-14. Cakeman- That isn't her point. Also, not discussing HR & marzi's sex life is something I can live without. I would rather discuss the fact that there are loads of drug references within HR and what they mean and what they are tied to. Discussing deeper meaning without having to answer stupid questions are hear denials like "TBC are not druggies..." Stoners are not druggies... I don't care what people say, but marijuana isn't harmful. You can't like Pink Floyd or The Beatles and say that weed is bad. That's just plain stupid. Plus, the censorship restrictions are just that... restricting. I don't think I should get reprimanded for mild use of the words s---, d---, h---, a--, a--h---, f---, b---- etc... without worring about some 10 year old crying for their mother. Besides, most 10 year olds won't understand fully some of the connotations of what is in HR. Sure, TBC made is accessible to all by having absurdity mixed with intelligent humor, but I'd rather talk about some of this with people who are closer to my age so I don't have to worry about some child crying to an admin and me getting banned because the content of my post would be considered too explicit or offensive. Censorship is ignorance. There are just some things about some of the toons I can't say here, and I know some other people my age are thinking. It's not that this forum isn't without it's charm...though... but I am sure I clarified some things. |
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| Author: | Lor [ Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:29 pm ] |
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I can feel it in my bones. Someone's going to start talking about freedom of speech soon. Then it'll be all downhill. I reserve the right to invoke Godwin's law. |
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| Author: | Lunar Jesty [ Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:28 pm ] |
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DeathlyPallor wrote: Also, not discussing HR & marzi's sex life is something I can live without. I would rather discuss the fact that there are loads of drug references within HR and what they mean and what they are tied to. Discussing deeper meaning without having to answer stupid questions are hear denials like "TBC are not druggies..." Stoners are not druggies... I don't care what people say, but marijuana isn't harmful. You can't like Pink Floyd or The Beatles and say that weed is bad. That's just plain stupid. You can feel free to discuss that, if you label all your points, and give us information to think about. Sure, some people are going to leap at your face on principle, but they do that everywhere. If you can post a topic about TBC being on drugs that's more than "lol tbc are creative that meens there high!", feel free. We don't censor discussions, we stop stupidity. Quote: Plus, the censorship restrictions are just that... restricting. I don't think I should get reprimanded for mild use of the words s---, d---, h---, a--, a--h---, f---, b---- etc... without worring about some 10 year old crying for their mother. Besides, most 10 year olds won't understand fully some of the connotations of what is in HR. Sure, TBC made is accessible to all by having absurdity mixed with intelligent humor, but I'd rather talk about some of this with people who are closer to my age so I don't have to worry about some child crying to an admin and me getting banned because the content of my post would be considered too explicit or offensive.
Is it really nessesary to swear up a storm if you're discussing a cartoon? Sure, I can see why you'd get angry and swear automatically in Religion and Politics, but all it takes is a quick glance over to get rid of the words you've thrown in. All they do is make your opinion angrier and sharper, which will in turn send even angrier and sharper responces back. |
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| Author: | Kittie Rose [ Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:03 pm ] |
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Lor wrote: I can feel it in my bones. Someone's going to start talking about freedom of speech soon. Then it'll be all downhill. I reserve the right to invoke Godwin's law.
Godwin's law is stupid. You should look up the other "Laws of internet arguing" it gets lumped in with; which include "If you're furry, you lose", "If you're emo, goth" you loose. Has anyone noticed how furries and goths are like the homosexuals and black people of real life? |
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