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I kinda agree with Simon, Sony is blinded by money.

"We're great! We'll just price this sucker at... $599!

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MONEY!!"

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You know, I would post in this thread and give my opinion about the three consoles without ever having actually played them, but that'd make me a total crap for brains.


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Whoah, watch the language there damik.
Well, Sony may have had a strange press conference, but admit it. If you had the 600 bucks, you'd buy the PS3! And that is what Sony is doing. Everyone who has the 600 bucks and likes video games will get it! It doesn't matter what they say or do. Their console for now and probably for a long time will remain te standard in great gaming. Now that my parents bought an HDTV I am not going to get a Wii but the PS3. No not just for graphics but for the fact that the best games of te next 6-7 years will come out on the PS3. It's just a fact of life.

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Whoah, watch the language there damik.
Well, Sony may have had a strange press conference, but admit it. If you had the 600 bucks, you'd buy the PS3! And that is what Sony is doing. Everyone who has the 600 bucks and likes video games will get it! It doesn't matter what they say or do. Their console for now and probably for a long time will remain te standard in great gaming. Now that my parents bought an HDTV I am not going to get a Wii but the PS3. No not just for graphics but for the fact that the best games of te next 6-7 years will come out on the PS3. It's just a fact of life.


Have you been brainwashed? Or are you just a Sony exec in disguise here to spread your evil propaganda?


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DESTROY US ALL! wrote:
Whoah, watch the language there damik.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=crap for brains
Nope, no swearing there.

Anyway. If it has Silent Hill 5 on it, I'll probably buy it.

edit: That is really, really stupid. The word "crap for brains" is not profane. I don't know who told you it was, but they were lying through their teeth. The link still goes tot he correct address, by the way.

RE-edit by Stu: Hate to break it to you, but the moderator team agreed that in this context it was. So get over it, or you might find yourself looking for a new forum to hang out on. Circumventing the filter is a sure-fire way to get your account locked


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Have you been brainwashed? Or are you just a Sony exec in disguise here to spread your evil propaganda?

Not brainwashed, just using common sense. People publish games on the best selling console. Why do you think God of War and Guitar Hero went to the PS2? Because they would make more money. Sony is providing a great incentive to make good games.

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I don't think the PS3 is going to be the best selling console. It's coming out too late, and it's at a very high price point. It's either going to be the Wii or the 360.

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I'm expecting the top-seller to be the 360. I'd be amazed if it were the Nintendo Revolution...


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The PS2 is still outselling the 360 and it's a less powerfull system! If the 360 keeps on withit's current track record of mediocre games not fully using the system's potential then the system will go nowhere. Dreamcast came out first. That doesn't mean it sold the mot consoles.

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Yes, but the Dreamcast was poorly marketed.

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They did a really bad job with the Dreamcast. It has pretty much NOTHING going for it. Few games released (although I will say that some of them were genius - Samba de Amigo; Jet Set Radio...), useless marketing, bad timing, and even fundamental things like the controller design. The main reason I bought mine is because of the homebrew community...


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Well, I might as well give my own opinion.

In Japan, the Wii will more then likely be the best selling console. Nintendo doesn't have to worry about the Xbox 360, which is a joke there. The Playstation 3 is a more interesting subject. It will sell, there's no doubt in that, but I think because of the Wii's more affordable and welcoming price will pull the public away from the Playstation 3.

In America, well...that's going to be an interesting story. I'm not sure what might happen. And the same goes for England.

There's something else to consider. The Wii will more then likely have the most powerfull launch. With The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Wii Sports, and a few 3rd-party titles as lauch titles will already make the Wii a very nice console to purchase. Not to mention the backwards compatibility, and the Virtual Console.

And did I mention SSBB in the works?

I'm defently more interested in that then Genji 2. And Final Fantasy XIII even!

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I'm not sure what I think of the virtual console mode. Sounds like a niche market to me, but it'll be interesting to see.

edit: Not to mention Nintendo's love for re-releasing their games...


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I am not going to get a Wii but the PS3. No not just for graphics but for the fact that the best games of te next 6-7 years will come out on the PS3. It's just a fact of life.


That is my brother's reasoning to he said "the gamecube is pretty much dead but the PS2 still has great games, the Wii is a gimick." or something like that. But i am getting a Wii because of 3 games i would sell my soul for (MP3, LoZTP, SSBB) and i dont have $500, i have $315 (but my b-day is in a month and birthdays=money!!!).


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Teh Ch8t wrote:
I kinda agree with Simon, Sony is blinded by money.

"We're great! We'll just price this sucker at... $599!

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MONEY!!"

Sony believes that just because they're Sony, they can market it for any price they want. It's just what Atari did when they started killing their system.

"Oh, this game is mediocre. Well, whatever, we're Atari! They'll buy it."

And what came in and destroyed Atari? Nintendo. :D

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Well, I might as well give my own opinion.

In Japan, the Wii will more then likely be the best selling console. Nintendo doesn't have to worry about the Xbox 360, which is a joke there. The Playstation 3 is a more interesting subject. It will sell, there's no doubt in that, but I think because of the Wii's more affordable and welcoming price will pull the public away from the Playstation 3.

In America, well...that's going to be an interesting story. I'm not sure what might happen. And the same goes for England.

Well, England is as much of a Playstation country as Japan is anti-Xbox. So I'm betting PS3 could sell the most in England.

The PS3's success all depends on how much money the general public has to spend on video games. And I highly doubt that your average Joe will be able to shell out $600 for a game console, when they can get the other two, or one and a ton of games, for the same price.

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Well, Sony may have had a strange press conference, but admit it. If you had the 600 bucks, you'd buy the PS3!

No, I wouldn't. I'd buy a Wii and a 360.

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Last generation I got a PS2 and a Xbox. I have lots of games for my PS2, but only one for my Xbox. But, I am a Nintendo fangirl at heart. I wish I had a game cube, even just to play SSBM for once, and the Wii will fix everything. My family makes enough money for me to buy all of them, but I don't really want anything but the Wii.

Now to find someone who wants an Xbox...

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I'm expecting the top-seller to be the 360. I'd be amazed if it were the Nintendo Revolution...


Don't be too surprised...

That's nearly 100,000 people's votes on one of the biggest non-biased video game websites out there.

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If I had $600, I'd by a Wii and six or so games. :P

Or at least save up for the good games.


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Joshua, the average casual gamer doesn't answer gamefaqs polls. The average casual gamer cares more about graphics, the average casual gamer will look at the Wii and not even consider buying it. The hardcore gamer likes to playy good games. Nintendo seems to lack the best games. People like violent FPS's. Ninteno doesn't publish violent FPS's.
Do the math folks.

I'm not saying the wii is going to suck, far from it, but I'm saying most people won't give up the standard dualshock style of gaming for somethign completely new. The wii will match the sales of the gamecube.

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The casual gamer will like the Wii because it's cheap. Use some logic.

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That plain isn't true. The average gamer will see the lower price as a mark of inferiority and mentally file the Revolution with the PS2, Xbox and GC.


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That plain isn't true. The average gamer will see the lower price as a mark of inferiority and mentally file the Revolution with the PS2, Xbox and GC.


Although, you have to realise that the price differences form the GC, Xbox, and PS2 was only $50.00. You could more then easily own two game consoles.

The thing with the 7th generation is this: There's going to be a $200.00 difference between all three consoles. Meaning that, most video game owners are only going to be buying one console this generation.

And since when have systems with the most power ended up being the leader? The Genesis was supreme to the NES, yet it didn't sell well. The Saturn was far more powerfull then the SNES and the PSX, but it still didn't do well. The Dreamcast was the most powerfull system during the 5th generation, yet Sega had to stop making consoles after the Dreamcast. The Xbox was the most powerfull system of the 6th generation, and while it did do well in America and England, it ws a joke in Japan.

So power doesn't always equal success.


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Alec is right. Power doesn't equal success. Playstation has always proventhat with great games and a good marketing strategy you will always come out on top. The PS1 was less powerfull than the N64, and the PS2 is less powerful than the Gmaecube and the XBox. Now that sony has it's great system and being the most powerful system at the same time, it will allmost without a doubt be the top-sellign system.

The Gamecube was 100 dollars cheaper and more powerful than the PS2 when it came out, yet the PS2 still sold more. This time the Wii is less powerful. it's not going to change a thing.

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I'm sorry but even my friends who are hard-core sony fans aren't going to buy this because of its ridiculously high price tag. Oh, btw Sony isn't being greedy with the pricing. They're selling it at a loss, and hoping to make a comeback off game licensing. If Sony wanted to make a profit off the system itself they would have to raise the price to about 1000 USD. Point being, unless manufacturing costs drop steeply, don't expect a price drop soon. Also, If PS3 doesn't sell a lot of games right away at launch, it'll scare off developers and publishers and leave the PS3 a barren wasteland. While that's not guarenteed, there is a fair chance...

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Joshua, the average casual gamer doesn't answer gamefaqs polls. The average casual gamer cares more about graphics, the average casual gamer will look at the Wii and not even consider buying it. The hardcore gamer likes to playy good games. Nintendo seems to lack the best games. People like violent FPS's. Ninteno doesn't publish violent FPS's.
Do the math folks.

I'm not saying the wii is going to suck, far from it, but I'm saying most people won't give up the standard dualshock style of gaming for somethign completely new. The wii will match the sales of the gamecube.


The casual gamer probably won't buy the PS3 unless they're rich and have lots of cash to spare. Hardcore gamers might buy it regardless... but not too many casual.

Nintendo has great games. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess is a very inticipated launch title that many hardcore gamers want. I can't find a single Internet forum that doesn't have a large thread dedicated to Super Smash Bros. Brawl, even ones that aren't Nintendo-lovers like this one. And Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is totally a violent FPS. :p

GameFAQs seems to give a very good idea of a total hardcore audience's opinion. Nearly 100,000 votes, with un-biased results. It might not be the big picture, but it gives you an interesting estamation.


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That plain isn't true. The average gamer will see the lower price as a mark of inferiority and mentally file the Revolution with the PS2, Xbox and GC.
Not exactly. While some might foolishly do that, I'm sure that many will not just go "Oh, it's priced more, so it's gotta be good."

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This thread makes me laugh, mostly because people are saying that the 360 will over-do the PS3 or Wii. I mean, seriously, those things aren't too good. Nintendo and Sony had already established their thing and Bill Gates wanted to butt in to make another several billion.

Hey, gamers might think that if it costs more it's obviously better if they aren't internet wise! Course, they'd have to be either young or stupid or computerless, I guess.

Of course, if there's Halo(which is pretty much the only thing most people by XB for), of course there's going to be some big selling of the 360.

I think Sony's giving it such a high price tag because it's some kind of marketing strategy - there are enough hardcore gamers out there that will give them tons of cash for this.

I think the PS3 is just foreshadowing whats to come next - sooner ot later, gaming consoles will cost an average of 600. Now or never. :P

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I was going to make that point about graphics having never carried the console wars before, but it looks like Alec already did it for me. If you REALLY wanted to make a stretch, you could say that in every console war, the LEAST graphically powerful system has carried the day.

NES beat Master System. SNES beat Genesis. PS1 beat N64. Ps2 beat GC and XBox. And in handhelds: Lots of handheld systems came out during the Game Boy's reign, all of which were much more powerful, but none of them beat it. Currently worldwide, the less-powerful DS is beating the PSP, though it's still too close to call.

My worldwide predictions for the next gen?

US/Canada:

1. XBox 360
2. Wii
3. PS3

Japan:

1. Wii
2. PS3
3. XBox 360

Europe:

1. PS3
2. XBox 360
3. Wii

Worldwide:

1. Wii
2. XBox 360
3. PS3

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I think the PS3 is just foreshadowing whats to come next - sooner ot later, gaming consoles will cost an average of 600.
Unfortunately, it seems like that will happen in the near future. I can easily see the price of a Game system being near a thousand dollars in the next decade or so.

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I think Nintendo, at least, will keep pricing their systems lower than the others. At least, they'll look like big hypocrites if they don't.


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