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 Post subject: Re: Random (Foreign) Thoughts
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:21 pm 
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No me gusta La Juego.

Uh...mi gato es perezoso.


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Córtate la pierna, señor. Es el mejor día.


Lo que dije es, "Sever your leg please, sir. It's the greatest day." :mrgreen:

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"Sever your leg please, sir. It's the greatest day." :mrgreen:

іNo digas eso!

(there's that Spanish 1 knowledge again!)

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¿Por qué no?

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¡Hola! ¿Qué pasa?

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¡Hola! ¿Qué pasa?


No esperaba a The Spainish Inquisition.

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Kef: You've studied Spanish and Japanese, so what would you say is the difference in difficulty? Is Japanese ridiculously hard like I've heard?

Also, are you still in college or what? Just curious.

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16_BIT_MARIO1 wrote:
私はこの糸の考えを好む。翻訳来ることを保ちなさい!


Knowing this guy, he most likely just punched some crap into google translator and assumed it's readable

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Kef: You've studied Spanish and Japanese, so what would you say is the difference in difficulty? Is Japanese ridiculously hard like I've heard?


It's definitely difficult. I actually haven't studied terribly much Japanese other than kanji... my approach is somewhat unconventional. I don't think my approach was right for me, though... but since I'm almost done with my kanji study, it's too late to change that.

That doesn't mean I'm close to mastering all there is to know about kanji (not by a longshot!), but it does mean I'll be able to write and recognize 2042 kanji.

There is also the matter that Spanish shares many, many more words in common with English than Japanese does, and many of the English words you'll see will also have Japanese equivalents you should learn. So, compared to Spanish, vocabulary's going to be a pretty big obstacle. Japanese also has a very different grammar, but whether it's difficult I can't really say. I have a broad understanding of the basic points of Japanese grammar, but I know few specifics.

For instance, Japanese has no grammatical gender, but it does have these things called counter words... if you want to be able to say numbers of things you'll need to know the counter word for that particular object. For instance, instead of "two dogs", you must say "dog two-small-animal". Counters distinguish between size, shape, and various other arbitrary factors. It sounds monstrously complex, but I think you mostly get used to it before too long. It's also not unlike a distinction we already make in English (and Spanish), when we say "two sheets (or pieces) of paper" (not "two papers"), and so on. Sometimes distinctions can be made depending on the counter, just as we distinguish between "two loaves of bread" and "two slices of bread". The difference between Japanese and English here is that all nouns use these counter words for numbers.

You can read more about it here (but I think it makes it look scarier than it really is): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_counter_word

Another concept you'll find familiar yet different is politeness. Spanish distinguishes between tú and usted; Japanese conveys politeness in myriad ways. The verb conjugation indicates politeness towards the listener whether or not the verb itself has to do with the listener. There are also different pronouns you can use, not just for the second person but for the first person as well.

¡Ay! ¡Acabo de darme cuenta de que hablamos de esto en el hilo equivocado! ¿No debemos hablar aquí?

("Ack! I just realized we're discussing this in the wrong thread! Shouldn't we talk here?")

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Also, are you still in college or what? Just curious.


Desafortunadamente, apenas he ido a la universidad. Soy un 'drop-out', pero algún día pienso arreglarlo.

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Knowing this guy, he most likely just punched some crap into google translator and assumed it's readable


Es lo que pienso yo. Para empezar, usó la palabra 'ito' (糸) para referirse a un hilo de foro. Me parece sospechoso.

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I like the thought of this thread.Translation maintain the fact that it comes!


Knowing this guy, he most likely just punched some crap into google translator and assumed it's readable

Yes. Yes I did.
I'd write that in French, but I forget how to say "did".

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16_BIT_MARIO1 wrote:
extremejon09 wrote:
16_BIT_MARIO1 wrote:
私はこの糸の考えを好む。翻訳来ることを保ちなさい!


Knowing this guy, he most likely just punched some crap into google translator and assumed it's readable

Yes. Yes I did.
I'd write that in French, but I forget how to say "did".
Идиот.

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I'd write that in French, but I forget how to say "did".

It's "Oui. Oui, j'ai fait."

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So is anyone here actually fluent in Spanish? I have an essay due tomorrow, and I was hoping I could get someone to review it for me, tell me if there's any glaring mistakes in it. This is the only essay of the semester where we're allowed to have it reviewed, so I'd appreciate it.

Actually, I need to finish it first, but once I do, if there's anyone willing to look at it, that'd be grand.

It's going to be a brief interview with former Chilean president Augusto Pinochet, even though he's dead. :)

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Я не говорите по-русски.


Translation: "I dont you (formal) understand [in] russian.

You might want to say "Я не понимаю, по-русский".

Also, I'm in the middle of planning another trip to little odessa, NYC. I'm basically just making a sjopping list for books and DVDs.

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Oh, um...sorry. My stupid Russian class is full of bull pucky.

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Jitka wrote:
So is anyone here actually fluent in Spanish?


I'm fluent enough to be of service. I have a pretty good understanding of Spanish grammar.

Por cierto, creo que estamos en el hilo equivocado, otra vez. :P

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Too late, I already submitted it.

Thanks anyway, though. :mrgreen:

Also, wouldn't that be "estemos?" Subjunctive, no?

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Nope. You don't use the subjunctive when "creer" is positive, only when it's negative:

Creo que estamos...
No creo que estemos...

But:
Creo que no estamos... [since 'creer' is positive, even though the clause after it is negative]

This goes for any statement of belief or doubt. Compare:

Dudo que estemos...
No dudo que estamos...
No hay duda de que estamos...

As an apparent exception, it seems that "es posible/probable que" always takes the subjunctive.

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I thought you always used the subjunctive when there was uncertainty. Does a belief count as a certainty in Spanish?

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Yes, it does. Oddly enough, Italian does use the subjunctive in such sentences, though. I suppose Hispanics and Italians view certainty differently, at least from a grammatical standpoint.

Incidentally, "suppose" (suponer) also takes the indicative in Spanish, even though it indicates a degree of doubt: "Supongo que los hispanos y los italianos ven de modos distintos el asunto de la certeza".

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bwave wrote:
The Snork wrote:
Я не говорите по-русски.


Translation: "I dont you (formal) understand [in] russian.

You might want to say "Я не понимаю, по-русский".

Also, I'm in the middle of planning another trip to little odessa, NYC. I'm basically just making a sjopping list for books and DVDs.
Well, on the other hand, I did make the statement that I was attempting to express painfully clear in the process

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Reminds me of how many people seem to think you say "I don't speak Spanish" by "No habla español". In fact, the phrase is "No hablo español". "No habla español" means "You don't speak Spanish!" Yet for some reason I see this more commonly than the correct form.

(Also, many people mispronounce it by pronouncing the 'h', but that's a more understandable mistake.)

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