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Let's not be confusing goth with emo, peeps. Many of the bands mentioned as "poser goth" are just emo bands, or even *shudders* screamo. Emo bands are not poser goth bands, but rather tone-deaf angsty suburban rich kids singing about how much their lives suck.

Well, emo has done one thing in recent years; rip off punk and goth. Image and lyricwise.

And yes, they are just angsty suburban kids with who's lives don't suck and that are tone deaf.

Confusing goth with emo is something that has always peeved me.

I may be angsty, I may be suburban, but my life does suck when I write these songs and I can carry a tune.

It's just that both have been overly stereotyped,

Why don't you go ask a homeless kid how much THEIR life sucks?

Jeez. I hate it when people are all angsty for some stupid lame little reason. Even when you have no friends. 'Cuz you have us!!!!! ^-^

Why don't you go ask a homeless kid how much THEIR life sucks?

Jeez. I hate it when people are all angsty for some stupid lame little reason. Even when you have no friends. 'Cuz you have us!!!!! ^-^

Argh... I know it shouldn't, but that 'you aren't a homeless person, or you don't live in a Third World country, so you don't have a legitimate right to be depressed' argument drives me crazy. There are lots of things that happen in life anyone, not just poor and unfortunate, can go through (mental issues, death of a lot of close family and friends, etc.) that can be just as upsetting as those conditions. I understand where you're coming from, though - some people do go more over-the-top about how much their life sucks than they have a right to. But how can you be sure whether Myrrh is one of them or not?

Anyways, I don't see why sad people like listening to sad music. It just makes me more sad... If it works for you, though, go for it.

I can understand that way of thinking, but I think sad music in certain situations can be good comforting therapy in a "someone else was feeling the same emotions when they wrote this as I am right now" kind of way.

I am a proud general in the anti-emo crusade!

Just because your boy/girlfriend broke up with you, or "your parents don't understand you" is no reason to be depressed and follow some weird trend! Emo's say they are orignal but yet THEY ALL LOOK AND ACT THE SAME!
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Any ways, on goth music...Why would anyone call them selves "Goth" its a label made up my the labeled people.

I mean, I like heavy metal and the NIghtmar Before Christmas more than the next guy, but I don't go around dyeing my hair black and sitting in a corner!

Music is about how it sounds, not abouot the emotional stability of its lead singer.

EHIT, as for the music and emotions, if I'm having a crap day, or a good day, I still listen to the same things.

Sad music makes no impact on my emotions. Most likely because I'm more apathetic than the average bear.

I am a proud general in the anti-emo crusade!

Any ways, on goth music...Why would anyone call them selves "Goth" its a label made up my the labeled people.

I mean, I like heavy metal and the NIghtmar Before Christmas more than the next guy, but I don't go around dyeing my hair black and sitting in a corner!

Music is about how it sounds, not abouot the emotional stability of its lead singer.

It's funnily ironic, because anti-emo types are often the most sheltered of all.

They all look and act the same..? They do?

Umm...Actually, I'm anti-emo (sort of, I just don't like the people who get upset over every retarded little set back in life) and I can tell you for a fact that I'm not what you'd call "babied" or "sheltered". And, honestly, most of these people these days do act and dress the same. Almost all of them are the posers though.

And the reason I listen to the stuff isn;t because I'm so miserable about not getting good grades or some stupidness like that, it's becasue most of the musicians that play this stuff actually have a lick of talent (as they usually have to actually work at it to get on a label of any kind).

Sure, music needs emotion! I know music has emotion but the emotion of the song doesn't change how I feel.

I mean, in blues everynote you can feel the emotion.

In "goth" rock all the emotion is the same.

I don't dye my hair because I'm happy with my self.

I have a thing against the term "Gothic" because of people calling me "Gothic" for wearing black most of the time.

I don't wear it because "it shows my innner emotion or whatever" but because its warmer!

Half the things "goths" complain about could be fixed if they were a little more social!

By "social" you mean "dress and act the same as everyone else", which is quite ironic, considering your accusations.

No I mean don't just sit in the corner and mope.

Be a friendly person, people will be friendly to you!

You get what you give. I'm not shallow for being happy with my self by the way.

And I'm not pushing my beliefs only stating them.

And since when does the genre of music you listen to classify you as a person?

I dont call my self a Blues-Psychedelic-Garage-Grunge-Classic-Metal-Progressive-Industrial-Punk-Swing-Psychobilly-Jazz?
How is goth different?

Well then you're not exactly appreciating the music very well, are you? You've never heard the term "a moving piece"?



Well, if it doesn't change how you feel, how are you going to appreciate that?

That's err, a rather stupid and offensive reason. You have a complete andd utter lack of tact. I dye my hair because I feel comfortable having red hair, and don't feel as if I look like myself without it. Is there anything wrong with that? No. At least I'm honest enough to admit that my appearance does affect how I feel. Considerring how shallow you've shown yourself to be, I don't buy the "It doesn't matter what I look like" naffage, and interestingly, most people that do push that ARE the shallow ones.

By "social" you mean "dress and act the same as everyone else", which is quite ironic, considering your accusations.

I don't think these really qualify as beliefs. And they're [i]extremely[/i[ misinformed opinions. You also refuse to admit your mistakes when I correct you or challenge you on things like goth rock, which is frustrating.

If being happy with yourself means you get to be a dick to others, count me out.

There's a difference between feeling the emotion and how a song makes you feel.




How did that have anything to do with what he said? Even in that one relevant snippet, it doesn't mean that he's the same as you.



He never said that, or even implied it. I think he meas they should talk about stuff instead of just wallowing in their self pity.

EDIT: Woah, lots of posts while I was writing!



You can't correct someones beliefs. And who are you to say what qualifies as beliefs?



Well, by not accepting his beliefs you are being kind of a dick.

is goth rock defined more by the Lyrics or the sound of the music? Because, for me, lyrics wouldn't define a genre of music.

What I'm really asking is, if, say, when Johnny Cash covered that NIN song. Does it still make it an industrial song, or a rockabilly song?

There's a difference between feeling the emotion and how a song makes you feel.

How did that have anything to do with what he said? Even in that one relevant snippet, it doesn't mean that he's the same as you.

He never said that, or even implied it. I think he meas they should talk about stuff instead of just wallowing in their self pity.

You can't correct someones beliefs. And who are you to say what qualifies as beliefs?

Well, by not accepting his beliefs you are being kind of a dick.

But if a song doesn't affect you at all, why listen to it?

What I'm really asking is, if, say, when Johnny Cash covered that NIN song. Does it still make it an industrial song, or a rockabilly song?

Half the things "goths" complain about could be fixed if they were a little more social!

Now for a question, is goth rock defined more by the Lyrics or the sound of the music?

I mostly listen to songs because I like the way they sound.

... but they don't do that. Maybe the Hot Topic "goths" do but considering the amount of people that post "MALL GOTHS ARE NOT REAL GOTHS", it's not difficult to catch on to that.

But if a song doesn't affect you at all, why listen to it?

It had everything to do with what he saying. He was saying how much better he was for feeling comfortable in himself unlike goth kids who have to dye their hair to feel like themselves.

A human being with an intelligent brain.

I hate this rubbish "ACCEPT MY BELIEFS!!!" that's nearly always used to defend beliefs that are in some way fault, bigoted or nonsensical. Considering his beliefs are based on rejecting people like me, I'll choose to reject beliefs before I allow people to reject people, thank you very much.