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Um..Maybe for the fun of listening to music? Not everything needs to have meaning an depth. But, I'll admit I do like songs a little more if they actually have a feel to them.

And what do you find wrong with that? He's happy with himself, isn;t that looked upon highly? Or do you have to be superficial to be happy?

...Or intelligent through your eyes atleast. Nobodies opinions are facts.

Just because he doesn't like goths doesn't mean he's out to destroy them.

I am a proud general in the anti-emo crusade!

If you think about what he's saying, you'll notice he points out many pose goth traits as being ones he doesn't like.

Goth isn't exactly something you are born with that someone can just resent for no reason.

Um..Maybe for the fun of listening to music? Not everything needs to have meaning an depth. But, I'll admit I do like songs a little more if they actually have a feel to them.

And what do you find wrong with that? He's happy with himself, isn;t that looked upon highly? Or do you have to be superficial to be happy?

Just because he doesn't like goths doesn't mean he's out to destroy them. If you think about what he's saying, you'll notice he points out many pose goth traits as being ones he doesn't like. Goth isn't exactly something you are born with that someone can just resent for no reason.

Fun is an emotion too. Fun and silly songs usually have a lot of happy emotion. You don't need Chris Cornell screaming "YEAH I FEEL GOOD TODA-A-A-AY" to Johnny Marr's upbeat riffing for it to be a happy song.If your own emotion is abstract from the music you are listening to, then you're not appreciating music in it's full.

... so I'm superficial now? And no, that's not a strawman, since you pretty much made a direct comparison/statement there.

goths and emos are not the same.

A lot of emo bands now, as opposed to years back, are trying to write goth songs lyrically and are sucking hardcore at it.

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Just because he doesn't like goths doesn't mean he's out to destroy them.

Just because I am a goth doesn't mean I'm out to convert people. But you're quite right; he's actually out to destroy emos;

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I am a proud general in the anti-emo crusade!

That just about wins stupidest statement of the year. Plus, he probably includes goths in that anyway.

That's probably one of the best things said yet on here. I'm also getting annoyed by the way everyone is getting everything confused. It seems like Punk, Goth and emo have all just been mashed together recently.

To me, emo's are just goths that are more whiney and care way too much about their appearance.

There's nothing wrong with caring for your appearance, as long as you care for it as a way of expression rather than a way of fitting in (i.e. mallgoths and 90% of the rest of the world).

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There's nothing wrong with caring for your appearance, as long as you care for it as a way of expression rather than a way of fitting in (i.e. mallgoths and 90% of the rest of the world).

90% of the world, or America?
You do have a very skewed perspective on this. Or maybe my school is just different. You are, first describing teenagers and a few crazed adults. And the last time I checked, 90% of the world can't afford to fit in with American standards.
Do you ever see an ethiopian wearing Hollister?

Can a band that is not "gothic" write a "gothic" song?
Like many punk bands do a ska song. And a lot of rock bands might do a blues song. (e.g. The White Stripes for a modern reference)

Like many punk bands do a ska song. And a lot of rock bands might do a blues song. (e.g. The White Stripes for a modern reference)

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Like many punk bands do a ska song. And a lot of rock bands might do a blues song. (e.g. The White Stripes for a modern reference)

Well, in my opinion blues and Ska are sub-categories of Punk and Rock (it could be the other way around for blues and rock if you wanted). As for other bands writing in different genres, it can be done, But it will usually still have strong elements of their native sound.

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Like many punk bands do a ska song. And a lot of rock bands might do a blues song. (e.g. The White Stripes for a modern reference)

I thought Rock was the white man's Sub-Genre of Blues?

Author:	Mistle Rose [ Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:40 am ]
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Quote: Um..Maybe for the fun of listening to music? Not everything needs to have meaning an depth. But, I'll admit I do like songs a little more if they actually have a feel to them. Fun is an emotion too. Fun and silly songs usually have a lot of happy emotion. You don't need Chris Cornell screaming "YEAH I FEEL GOOD TODA-A-A-AY" to Johnny Marr's upbeat riffing for it to be a happy song. If your own emotion is abstract from the music you are listening to, then you're not appreciating music in it's full. Quote: And what do you find wrong with that? He's happy with himself, isn;t that looked upon highly? Or do you have to be superficial to be happy? ... so I'm superficial now? And no, that's not a strawman, since you pretty much made a direct comparison/statement there. Quote: ...Or intelligent through your eyes atleast. Nobodies opinions are facts. I think every human being has an intelligent brain. Some people just refuse to use it when it comes to certain issues. Quote: Just because he doesn't like goths doesn't mean he's out to destroy them. Just because I am a goth doesn't mean I'm out to convert people. But you're quite right; he's actually out to destroy emos; Quote: I am a proud general in the anti-emo crusade! That just about wins stupidest statement of the year. Plus, he probably includes goths in that anyway. Quote: If you think about what he's saying, you'll notice he points out many pose goth traits as being ones he doesn't like. Yet he still pushes on them on actual goths and refuses to make a distinction. Quote: Goth isn't exactly something you are born with that someone can just resent for no reason. That's debateble. While someone can't be born in fishnets and lots of silver necklaces, they can still be born with what will eventually become character traits that cause them to gravitate towards certain branches of alternative culture. I really can't ever imagine myself having not mingled with goth types to some extent. For instance, there are far more bisexual and homosexual people in the goth scene; to the extent for about half of the girls and a quarter of the guys are bi or gay; as opposed to 1 in 10 in mainstream culture. Though personally I think there are far more bisexual people than we're led believe.

Author:	DeathlyPallor [ Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:48 am ]
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Quote: Um..Maybe for the fun of listening to music? Not everything needs to have meaning an depth. But, I'll admit I do like songs a little more if they actually have a feel to them. The feeling of a song can be the fun of it to. Kiss for example. Enough said. Quote: And what do you find wrong with that? He's happy with himself, isn;t that looked upon highly? Or do you have to be superficial to be happy? Apparently he has to be superficial to be happy. Most people in this day and age have to be. If they don't fit a certain visage, they are ostracized. Most people can't handle that, so they submit... which is pathetic and I pity those who do. Quote: Just because he doesn't like goths doesn't mean he's out to destroy them. If you think about what he's saying, you'll notice he points out many pose goth traits as being ones he doesn't like. Goth isn't exactly something you are born with that someone can just resent for no reason. It's all part and parcel of how you think and what you like. Basically, who you are at the bare root of it all. Nobody is born with a set personality or anything like that. Nor are people born with predetermined resentments. Unlike personalities, it is healthy to change what resentments you hold. The reason why I say it is unhealthy to change someone's personality is due to the fact that it is not healthy to deny who you are. It can cause mental disorders in extreme cases due to the fact you are supressing who you really are. It's basic Freudian principle in that the suppressed object (your personality) is seen as a negative that should be surpressed, and if you keep suppressing something into your unconscious mind, it will eventually break through.

Author:	Mr.KISS [ Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:10 am ]
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Quote: Fun is an emotion too. Fun and silly songs usually have a lot of happy emotion. You don't need Chris Cornell screaming "YEAH I FEEL GOOD TODA-A-A-AY" to Johnny Marr's upbeat riffing for it to be a happy song.If your own emotion is abstract from the music you are listening to, then you're not appreciating music in it's full. Well, I agree with the first part of your post, but I still disagree with the last sentence there. I believe that if you're sad, listen to whatever you feel like. Sure, some may think that it's better to listen to sad music, but some like to listen to happy music. It's just the kind of person you are. Quote: ... so I'm superficial now? And no, that's not a strawman, since you pretty much made a direct comparison/statement there. Sorry, I never meant to imply you were superficial. It was just....ya.

Author:	Alberto [ Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:43 am ]
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The only emos I have a problem with is those ones that try to get pity, Ya know the're just in it for the attention. but anyway, goths and emos are not the same.

Author:	DeathlyPallor [ Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:23 am ]
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sinter alberto wrote: goths and emos are not the same. Thank you! Most people who think they are the same are a bunch of people too young to know any better. Which is why I am glad this thread is up. I also do find my patience for a lot of emo's stealing things from punk and goth steadily starting to wane... I mean, punk and goth have their influences, and they both draw heavy from them. And all emo does is try and rip off both punk and goth. A lot of emo bands now, as opposed to years back, are trying to write goth songs lyrically and are sucking hardcore at it. Not for the simple fact that their music does not fit the lyrics, but the lyrics just plain suck. Not all emo does this, thank goodness. But the bands that are doing this are wearing on my nerves. For example, Alkaline Trio... I can't stand that band. All I am saying is... be real.

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Author:	Mr.KISS [ Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:57 am ]
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DeathlyPallor (HUMBUG!) wrote: A lot of emo bands now, as opposed to years back, are trying to write goth songs lyrically and are sucking hardcore at it. That's probably one of the best things said yet on here. I'm also getting annoyed by the way everyone is getting everything confused. It seems like Punk, Goth and emo have all just been mashed together recently.

Author:	DESTROY US ALL! [ Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:24 pm ]
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Mistle Rose wrote: Quote: Just because he doesn't like goths doesn't mean he's out to destroy them. Just because I am a goth doesn't mean I'm out to convert people. But you're quite right; he's actually out to destroy emos; Quote: I am a proud general in the anti-emo crusade! That just about wins stupidest statement of the year. Plus, he probably includes goths in that anyway. Gha, you Rose, need to under stand a little thing called "sarcasm". And I may want emo's to be gone, but I don't actually, try to change them or anything. To me, emo's are just goths that are more whiney and care way too much about their appearance. And I wasn't sure who said it, but Brian Setzer with the Stray Cats (amaaazing band by the way) Is more swing revival and Psychobilly. Metoeor, pure Psychobilly, like Tiger Army. Rockabilly is Elvis, Buddy Holly, and early Johnny Cash. But who am I to define genre's! And Rose, it really pains me to use all these labels in this discussion. And the thing about gohs being more bisexual or homosexual, just because you may have that trait, doesn't mean you have to fall into whats expected. When someone tells me they are a lesbian,I don't automatically assume their some lumberjack or goth. Same with I don't automatically assume a gay man is some man-purse toting stereotype. Rosalie, I would really enjoy having a nice personal IM with you to settle differences. KISS wrote: That's probably one of the best things said yet on here. I'm also getting annoyed by the way everyone is getting everything confused. It seems like Punk, Goth and emo have all just been mashed together recently. I know what you mean, this ticks off my friends who are hardcore punk fans. Calling The Misfits gothic...uugh. Just because they sing about eating brains, doesn't mean they do. Well, I'm not so sure about Danzig. And with why I lsiten to music; I am a musician, I write music. I listen to music mainly because I enjoy listing to different instruments and picking aprt songs. If I couldn't listen to a song without the lyrics, I wouldn't really like the song. Well this doesn't apply to Weird Al. And I'm not saying voice isn't an instrument. And lyrics can influence "somewhat" of what I listen to. Such as Joe Walsh's "Life's Been Good"

Author:	DeathlyPallor [ Sun Dec 18, 2005 1:40 am ]
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Quote: To me, emo's are just goths that are more whiney and care way too much about their appearance. About appearence, you got that completely backwards. What I suggest you do is go to Gothic Beauty magazine's website and understand how backwards you have it. Or pick up a copy of the Gothic and Lolita bible or read a copy of Propaganda. Ok, I don't even know how you came to that conclusion. I happened to have very nice clothing by the way. Fashion has always been one of my vices... If you mean by caring what people think... then you are right. Have you ever met either one of these people in person. The one's who don't care about their appearence (as in looking like total crap) are mall goths, which aren't even goths at all.

Author:	Mistle Rose [ Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:20 am ]
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There's nothing wrong with caring for your appearance, as long as you care for it as a way of expression rather than a way of fitting in (i.e. mallgoths and 90% of the rest of the world).

Author:	DESTROY US ALL! [ Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:39 am ]
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Mistle Rose wrote: There's nothing wrong with caring for your appearance, as long as you care for it as a way of expression rather than a way of fitting in (i.e. mallgoths and 90% of the rest of the world). 90% of the world, or America? You do have a very skewed perspective on this. Or maybe my school is just different. You are, first describing teenagers and a few crazed adults. And the last time I checked, 90% of the world can't afford to fit in with American standards. Do you ever see an ethiopian wearing Hollister? Well I'll paint my own toast here. Can a band that is not "gothic" write a "gothic" song? Like many punk bands do a ska song. And a lot of rock bands might do a blues song. (e.g. The White Stripes for a modern reference)

Author:	Mistle Rose [ Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:44 am ]
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de(stroy)ck_the_h(all)s wrote: Mistle Rose wrote: There's nothing wrong with caring for your appearance, as long as you care for it as a way of expression rather than a way of fitting in (i.e. mallgoths and 90% of the rest of the world). 90% of the world, or America? You do have a very skewed perspective on this. Or maybe my school is just different. You are, first describing teenagers and a few crazed adults. And the last time I checked, 90% of the world can't afford to fit in with American standards. Do you ever see an ethiopian wearing Hollister? You can still make yourself stand out a little even without much money. Just stay away from brand names(which you should do anyway). But well, I was kind of speaking as in the 1st World where people can afford to do so. Obviously if you're completely poor there are other things on your mind. Quote: Can a band that is not "gothic" write a "gothic" song? Like many punk bands do a ska song. And a lot of rock bands might do a blues song. (e.g. The White Stripes for a modern reference) Yes, they can. Check out Tori Amos' song "Precious Things".

Author:	Mr.KISS [ Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:46 am ]
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Quote: Like many punk bands do a ska song. And a lot of rock bands might do a blues song. (e.g. The White Stripes for a modern reference) Well, in my opinion blues and Ska are sub-categories of Punk and Rock (it could be the other way around for blues and rock if you wanted). As for other bands writing in different genres, it can be done, But it will usually still have strong elements of their native sound.

Author:	Mistle Rose [ Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:49 am ]
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de(stroy)ck_the_h(all)s wrote: KISS-Cringle 66 wrote: Quote: Like many punk bands do a ska song. And a lot of rock bands might do a blues song. (e.g. The White Stripes for a modern reference) Well, in my opinion blues and Ska are sub-categories of Punk and Rock (it could be the other way around for blues and rock if you wanted). As for other bands writing in different genres, it can be done, But it will usually still have strong elements of their native sound. I thought Rock was the white man's Sub-Genre of Blues? Pretty much. Though it does get pretty recognisable sometimes to the extent that it could have "evolved" from something else.

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