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Author:  Itsy Bitsy [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:52 am ]
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how many 2.5d style games have you played or know about? 2.5d is the graphics doom has.

ive played:
Marathon
Marathon2
Marathon Infinity
Killing Time
Pathways into darkness
wolfenstien 3d
medal of honor: something that has to do with a french resistance lady
Serious sam advance
dark forces

i know aboot:
doom
system shock
doomII
quake (i think thtas what its called)
that sequel to wolfenstien 3d(has something to do with a sceptor of the apocolypse or something i dunno what its called)
blood series
like 2 more i forget


so what have you played/know aboot? by the way they still make these kind of games for game boy advanced, but the new ones suck
Author:  Mr.KISS [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:00 am ]
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What does that mean? Like...Isometric view games?
Author:  Itsy Bitsy [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:05 am ]
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i'll get a screenshot of one.
Author:  Alberto [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:05 am ]
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Mr.KISS wrote:
What does that mean? Like...Isometric view games?

Those early FPS games from the early/mid 90's.
Author:  Itsy Bitsy [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:09 am ]
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http://i1.tinypic.com/ndpq0w.png
i like to make the screen on those games small :P sorry aboot the big pic
Author:  Mr.KISS [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:10 am ]
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Oh, ok...Ya, I've played games like that, not many though. I never really liked Doom and that's the only game I;ve ever seen in abundence.
Author:  StrongRad [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:11 am ]
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Itsy Bitsy wrote:
that sequel to wolfenstien 3d(has something to do with a sceptor of the apocolypse or something i dunno what its called)
like 2 more i forget

That would be Spear of Destiny.
I think that was my first FPS.
You shot Nazi's and demons and I think the final bad guys were Hitler and Satan.
Author:  Itsy Bitsy [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:18 am ]
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yeah spear of destiny. you kill hitler in the third level in the first wolfenstien though. hes got a robot suit and you break that, then you shoot at him more when he has no robot suit, and then he melts... in a bloody puddle of bones and stuff. O-o you also shoot crazy dogs
Author:  Susan [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:21 am ]
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Im pretty sure its still considered a 3d game.
Author:  Alberto [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:21 am ]
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I have played Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, and thats about it.
Author:  Itsy Bitsy [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:24 am ]
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Susan wrote:
Im pretty sure its still considered a 3d game.
3d is like... realistic. like halo or half life. or area 51. but these have like, 3d looking environments, but their charecters are all pixely.an much more bloody.
Author:  InterruptorJones [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:36 am ]
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Itsy Bitsy wrote:
but these have like, 3d looking environments, but their charecters are all pixely.an much more bloody.


Um.. no, that's not correct. "2.5D" just means it looks 3D but isn't true 3D. As usual, Wikipedia knows. Doom, for example, is 2.5D because sectors can't be placed on top of eachother (i.e. you can't have a two-story building in Doom). Quake was one of the first true 3D games.
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:37 am ]
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Itsy Bitsy wrote:
yeah spear of destiny. you kill hitler in the third level in the first wolfenstien though. hes got a robot suit and you break that, then you shoot at him more when he has no robot suit, and then he melts... in a bloody puddle of bones and stuff. O-o


where can i get the first Wolfensrien? that sounds interesting
Author:  Itsy Bitsy [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:38 am ]
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the game marathon had lots of sectors that were n top of each other. and i said 3d looking .

choc-o, you can usualy download wolfenstien from all those fansites, or you can get it for gameboy advance. thats what i have it for
Author:  Jello B. [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:10 am ]
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Actually, if it were true 2.5D, then that would be impossible. You can do some hacks, like in Duke Nukem 3D, but it's still not true 3D.

I've played all the major ones, like Doom and Doom 2. Wolfenstien 3D was a good one, too.
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:15 am ]
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ahh, doom.... say, who was the other guy who i challenged with the knowledge of doom? where's he been?
Author:  InterruptorJones [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:22 am ]
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Jello B. wrote:
Actually, if it were true 2.5D, then that would be impossible. You can do some hacks, like in Duke Nukem 3D, but it's still not true 3D.


Yeah, in Duke Nukem 3D you could stack sectors but only if one wasn't visible from the other (you'd get a Hall of Mirrors effect otherwise). Basically, it's like this: If you can make a solid bridge (i.e. not out of sprites like in Rise of the Triad) that you can pass under, you've got true 3D. Otherwise you've got 2.5D.

Concerning Marathon, to quote Wikipedia: "True bridges or overhanging platforms are impossible in the Marathon engine, and maps must be planned accordingly." That makes it 2.5D, though from the sounds of it Bungie was able to do some sector-stacking similar to DN3D.
Author:  breadtangle o' pizza [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:23 am ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
ahh, doom.... say, who was the other guy who i challenged with the knowledge of doom? where's he been?


Me! :mrgreen: How can you forget me?
Author:  Itsy Bitsy [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:30 am ]
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there is a way that you can make a bridge to go under and see into in the map creator forge. and there was a few levels in m2 and mInfinity with stuff like that. i never said it was actually 3d though
Author:  Kevin DuBrow [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:33 am ]
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I've never played one of those games before. I don't play a lot of computer games.
Author:  Alberto [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:48 am ]
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So if I understood correctly, these games dont use polygons?
Author:  Douglas [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:50 am ]
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I've played Dark Forces; It's like a prequel to the Jedi Knight games.

I've also played Descent and the original Half-life, if they count.
Author:  Itsy Bitsy [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:08 am ]
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oh crap i forgot abot dark forces! that was a great game. you also could jump.
Author:  Douglas [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:13 am ]
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Itsy Bitsy wrote:
oh crap i forgot abot dark forces! that was a great game. you also could jump.


Yeah, I had good times with it... the sewer level scared the crap out of me when I was little, though. never knowing when one of those monster things would appear... jibbly.
Author:  Itsy Bitsy [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:16 am ]
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i have a great urge to get dig through the catacombs of the... <_<...>_>... dunn dunnnnn dunnnnnnn the closet in my computer room to find dark forces... i dunno whats so evil about that... ive just never been thar. woosh...
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:25 am ]
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breadtangle o' pizza wrote:
Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
ahh, doom.... say, who was the other guy who i challenged with the knowledge of doom? where's he been?


Me! :mrgreen: How can you forget me?


ohh, that was you breadtangle? are you sure???
Author:  strongfan [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:43 pm ]
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you mean a first person shooter?
Author:  InterruptorJones [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:54 pm ]
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alberto wrote:
So if I understood correctly, these games dont use polygons?


Well, most of them use polygons for map geometry, but most of them don't use polygons for sprites. I'm not sure whether or not tile-based games like Wolfenstein 3D used polygons or something simpler for map geometry.
Author:  Sarge [ Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:35 am ]
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There's no such thing as a 2.5D game. That's just stupid.
Just becasue it used software rendering instead of hardware rendering doesn't mean that it used 0.5 of a dimention.... something that's imposible, by the way.

What you're talking about is a 2-dimensional map with height information which is then rendered to 3D. The final rendering is three-dimentional, but the basic information isn't. In other words, walls don't have thickness, monsters are paper dolls that move, bullets are one-dimentional, etc.

Belive it or not, there was a time when the video card didn't have a procesor on it. It didn't have much more than a megabyte of ram, and there was no such thing as a vertex or a texture or a bumpmap. All it did was act as a video adapter and maybey a VESA decoder. (Video Electronics Suppliers Association, and industry group active in the let 80's, early 90's, now defunct. Not to be confused with the comercial electronics name brand that uses the name "VESA")

Everything before Wolfenstein was not a FPS. Period.
Wolfenstein used sprites, so did Doom. However, Doom used texture-maped sprites while Wolfenstein used no texture maps.
Quake was the first comercial game to use polygons in a 3D FPS. Quake was the first 3D game that really neede a hardware accelerator card (what we now just call a video card) to run properly, but it still could run in software rendered mode.
Author:  Puphles [ Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:39 am ]
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I've played all of the first 3 Quake games. (my computer can't handle Quake 4...)
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