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Author:  topofsm [ Wed May 17, 2006 2:38 am ]
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that this hasn't been ABP'D, so yes.

This is a thread just discussing Green Day in general. For those who think they suck, give your reasons.

For those fans, we could talk about their punk music today, or what American Idiot means, or just what songs you like.
Author:  Code J [ Wed May 17, 2006 4:05 am ]
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Green Day has pretty much ruined themselves.

They start out as a solid rock band.
39/Smooth was a solid album...the songwriting wasn't anything exceptional, but it was alright.
As they moved on and wrote various albums, they got better and better. Dookie was great (although all the songs were rather the same), it featured classics like "She" and "Long View."
Insomniac was a bit underrated, it featured a few good songs, but it didn't live up to Dookie in the least.

Nimrod, in my opinion, was Green Day's best album. Their songwriting had matured and they produced many good songs. Scattered, Prosthetic Head, Redundant, Good Riddance, Jinx were amongst the songs that really made this album great.

Then came Warning, where Green Day's talent began to slope downwards. Really the only song off Warning that was any good was Macy's Day Parade...and Minority, to a certain extent.

Lets just say that Shenanigans was uh....pretty bad.

Then came American Idiot. Green Day abandon its good roots and trashed whatever chance they had left at becoming a better band, and released a poppy, made-for-radio album. They totally changed their appearance; Billy Joe died his hair, lost some wait, went for the Hot-Topic/Mainstream Punk look, which really isn't very "punk" at all. They made their music consist of catchy pop-hooks that are made for the mainstream.

Green Day, so desparate to become what they are today, put on a mask and, just like that, changed themselves and their music. They turned "punk" into somthing that it's not, with the ties and mascara made it so any old pre-teen wannabe could be "punk like Green Day." They added a political influence on their music not because they wanted to rebel for real, but so that they could gain an edge that people would respect. Look, I'm not really in favor at where our country is at right now, and I'm all for expressing your opinion through music, but not because it will get everyone to listen to you and become chart-toppers.


Yeah, yeah...I could go on forever on how much I loathe American Idiot. You see, I was a Green Day fan once...before American Idiot. The day that album was realeased...I lost all hope in the band. And now Green Day has somewhat learned their lesson. You become mainstream poprock, and eventually you will be out of style and everyone now thinks its "cool" to hate Green Day, even though a few months ago they were in love with the same album.

The one, and only good song off American Idiot will always be "Letterbomb." [/rant]
Author:  topofsm [ Wed May 17, 2006 5:02 am ]
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In 1039/Smoothed out Slappy hours, that is a bunch of great songs, when they were undiscovered and stuff. I personally like 409 in your coffeemaker and dissapearing boy

Kerplunk was a bit of a step down, I like 1039 better.

Dookie became an instant hit. Not only did it have 5 great hits, she, Longview, Basket Case, When I come around, and Welcome to Paradise, but it also included some great underrated songs such as FOD and Burnout(yes, the first 3 were similar, and Coming Clean, In the end, Sassafrass roots, and Pulling Teeth were alike too)

I thought Insomniac was overshadowed. I thought it was even more punk than Dookie, all the songs were real fast-paced and punky (exept for 86, which I liked, and Brain Stew, which later paired up with Jaded and became a hit)

Nimrod was okay. I liked their hits of course, but I only liked Platypus other than them.

Warning was the start of what I call Green Day's "experimental period". A lot were slow and lovey and stuff.

International Superhits came out with J.A.R., previously only a B-side and found only in that one soundtrack, Maria, and Poprocks and Coke.

Shenanigans was just a compilation of all the B-sides. Ha Ha You're Dead was good. This was experimental also.

After this came American Idiot. They tried new pop-punk music. The only punk songs were American Idiot, Jesus of Suburbia, and possibly She's a Rebel. But I do not dislike this album. It is actually full of emotion instead.

And that's the end of my speech.
Author:  ButtdanceHR [ Wed May 17, 2006 5:05 am ]
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I personally love Green Day.

I haven't listened much to their first 2 albums, although I have heard a few songs, and they are really good.

Next: Dookie. What an awesome album. I absolutely love every single song on it.

Insomniac: Good. But didn't come close to Dookie at all.

Nimrod: Wow. Another awesome album. They had a lot of singles of off it. Great album.

Warning: Haven't heard a dang song off it except for Warning and Minrotiy. So I dunno.

Shenanigans: Yeah... Um... At first, everything really is HORRIBLE. Green Day strayed away from their oldselves, which was not a good move in my opinion... at all. After listening to the album more, I started to realize that it was better than I first thought. It has quite a few decent songs. But the second song, Desentized, I think, just gets on my nerves. Horrible song. Horrible. Their worst in my opinion.

American Idiot: I love this album. But through all the times I've listened to it, played it, and heard it on the radio, I needed one heck of a serious break from it. If I were to hear Boulevard of Broken Dreams, I think I'd puke my pants :coachz: Ugg. I feel like I need a chemical shower.

Bullet in a Bible: Cool camera work at one of their concerts. It's awesome how Billie Joe gets the audience up.

So, all in all, I love Green Day. They are one of my favorite bands and I can't get enough of Dookie.

But the one thing that absouletly annoys me: TOO MUCH POWER CHORDS! I mean, they're cool, but Billie Joe should acutally make a song without them. Because he always uses them, a lot of the songs sound the same. I don't see how he can keep coming up with different strumming patterns.

But, what can I say. I love you Green Day!
Author:  The Cup of Coffee [ Wed May 17, 2006 5:56 am ]
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The one, and only good song off American Idiot will always be "Letterbomb."


YES. DEFINITELY.

In my view, it's 50% Like and 50% ABSOLUTELY HATE. I mean, the songs are getting old. Time to move on.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Wed May 17, 2006 2:45 pm ]
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I wish Green Day would learn how to play a few good solos. I like there stuff, it's simple and catchy but they could be so much better. That was the problem with bands in the 90's, they focused so much on power chords that they forgot how to play solos.

Pluck the strings for God's sake.

YES!

You're the man now dog!
Author:  racerx_is_alive [ Wed May 17, 2006 3:18 pm ]
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I own International Superhits, and it's an awesome CD. I haven't felt any desire to pick up American Idiot, though.
Author:  StrongRad [ Wed May 17, 2006 3:53 pm ]
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I'm a big fan of their earlier songs (like those on international superhits). My favorite songs are from Dookie. I love the drumming on Basket Case. It's not complicated, just fast. I used to do warm-ups on tenors with that song.

I love "Having a Blast" and the hidden song on Dookie, too. That hidden song cracks me up.

Of all of their videos, I gotta say I LURRRRVE "Nice Guys Finish Last". Positively roffle and "holy crap, that's good" at the same time. Gotta love any band that can poke fun at themselves and enjoy doing it.

The new stuff is kinda meh. It's political, but not in the "Up Your's, Stick it to the man" style of real punk music but more of a "let's get political so those in the current fad of pseudo-activism will buy our music". Why, Billy Joe? Why?
Author:  J-Man [ Wed May 17, 2006 4:36 pm ]
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Nope, never really liked them, not really my sort of music/band.
I can't say they suck or rule, since I've only heard a few of their songs.
Author:  damik [ Wed May 17, 2006 9:51 pm ]
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They were never more than average, and their last album was really bad :\
Author:  ButtdanceHR [ Wed May 17, 2006 9:57 pm ]
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Beyond the Grave wrote:
I wish Green Day would learn how to play a few good solos.


Si Senor! Si!

That's what really annoys me. It has potential for such a great solo, and it follows the blues chords sometimes, but... it never does. Or it does a really lame three note solo that just follows the vocals.
Author:  Badri3211 [ Wed May 17, 2006 9:59 pm ]
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Green Day is pretty cool.
Author:  Dactyl [ Wed May 17, 2006 10:16 pm ]
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I'm starting to get tired of Green Day. I have International Supa Hits, and I've listened to it maybe 5 times. MEH. Their best song is Time of Your Life IMO and it's not really that great. I don't really wanna say OMG GREEN DAY RLZ or GREEN DAY SUX LOL because I haven't listened to them that much, but I don't really like alternative/punk music that much anyway.
Author:  topofsm [ Thu May 18, 2006 12:51 am ]
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Dactyl wrote:
I'm starting to get tired of Green Day. I have International Supa Hits, and I've listened to it maybe 5 times. MEH. Their best song is Time of Your Life IMO and it's not really that great. I don't really wanna say OMG GREEN DAY RLZ or GREEN DAY SUX LOL because I haven't listened to them that much, but I don't really like alternative/punk music that much anyway.

That was their greatest hits CD. I reccomend Insomniac or Dookie.
damik wrote:
They were never more than average, and their last album was really bad :\

Is there some reason why you think they suck?

For those who bought American Idiot, does anyone want to discuss what the album is about?
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Thu May 18, 2006 12:58 am ]
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topofsm wrote:
For those who bought American Idiot, does anyone want to discuss what the album is about?
The first four songs are great and When September Ends is pretty good, but other than that it's not all that good.
Author:  ButtdanceHR [ Thu May 18, 2006 1:35 am ]
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topofsm wrote:
For those who bought American Idiot, does anyone want to discuss what the album is about?


Hmm... I'm not really too sure what it's about. I think maybe...um...I'm very unsure on this...but...how America is falling from its once great position where everybody wanted to be in America, and how it's tragicly falling downard in its own calamity?

I dunno, so please, please don't make fun of me or critize me harshly. I don't know.

Here are some examples to my theory:
American Idiot- that's obvious.
Jesus of Suburbia- tells about drugs and other bad stuff, all with teens. And how they are getting into bad situations. I dunno.
Holiday- As Billy says- " A big F-sensor U to the congress and representatives
Letterbomb-somethings in it that I can't really say too clearly
Wake Me Up...-The harshness of the war and the feelings of lossing and leaving loved ones.

My idea is not too clear.

EDIT: I'm going to do American Idiot in a nut shell on my guitar. What website can I post it on? I'm doing it on the program Audacity.
Author:  topofsm [ Thu May 18, 2006 3:53 am ]
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ButtdanceHR wrote:
topofsm wrote:
For those who bought American Idiot, does anyone want to discuss what the album is about?


Hmm... I'm not really too sure what it's about. I think maybe...um...I'm very unsure on this...but...how America is falling from its once great position where everybody wanted to be in America, and how it's tragicly falling downard in its own calamity?

I dunno, so please, please don't make fun of me or critize me harshly. I don't know.

Here are some examples to my theory:
American Idiot- that's obvious.
Jesus of Suburbia- tells about drugs and other bad stuff, all with teens. And how they are getting into bad situations. I dunno.
Holiday- As Billy says- " A big F-sensor U to the congress and representatives
Letterbomb-somethings in it that I can't really say too clearly
Wake Me Up...-The harshness of the war and the feelings of lossing and leaving loved ones.

My idea is not too clear.

EDIT: I'm going to do American Idiot in a nut shell on my guitar. What website can I post it on? I'm doing it on the program Audacity.

Does anybody even know that American Idiot is a rock opera? Listen to it. Fine, I'll show you how it seems to go for me.

American Idiot-Might actually be a flashback. It sort of sets the setting of the rock opera.

Jesus of Suburbia
I. Jesus of Suburbia-describes how Jesus of Suburbia, the main character is, an unruly young adult experimenting with drugs and alchohol, basically caught up in everything bad. He is a leader in his little "group"
II. City of the Damned-shows how messed up his town, named "Jingletown", is and how he hates it.
III. I don't Care-Jesus of Suburbia is starting to dislike his town, but he feels like nobody cares.
IV. Dearly Beloved-If you watch the music video, I beleive this is Jesus of Suburbia's "counselor" who lives with him. He starts telling her how messed up Jingletown is, and she doesn't seem to listen either.
V. Tales from another Broken Home-He is tired of people not listening to him, so he leaves for the city.

Holiday-It's about war, but I can't really think of how it ties into the story. Maybe the music video has to do with it.

Boulevard of Broken Dreams-He finds that in the city, things aren't much better. His opinions are his own, and nobody likes him. He "walks alone"

Are We the Waiting-Jesus of Suburbia looks back on his actions, and contemplates what to do.

St. Jimmy-Jesus of Suburbia abandones his identity and becomes St. Jimmy. He is a rebel of the city and starts a group of followers there.

Give Me Novocaine-St. Jimmy starts giving drugs out to people. This is where he meets "Whatsername"

She's a Rebel/Extraordinary girl-St. Jimmy starts dating and stuff with "Whatsername" I can't really tell the difference between the two. I think St. Jimmy gets busted for drugs, but I can't be sure.

Letterbomb-I think the reason Whatsername dumps him is because he gets caught, but I can't be sure really. Either way, she dumped him.

Wake me up when September ends- This doesn't have to do with the album. It is a tribute to Billie Joe's dad dying.

Homecoming
I. The Death of St. Jimmy- St. Jimmy is sick because his girlfriend dumped him (and maybe cause he gets caught), so he kills his identity and returns to being Jesus of Suburbia.
II. East 12th Street- Jesus is basically filling out paperwork at a police facility. This is why I think he got caught with drugs.
III. Nobody Likes You- Jesus of Suburbia is at his dwelling of sorts. He is re-evaluating his life.
IV. Rock and Roll Girlfriend-If you have the album, the lyrics for this are in the form of a letter. It is from a follower, "Tunny". He is saying that he doesn't need to be in St. Jimmy's group. Yet another reason why I think St. Jimmy got busted.
V. Homecoming- This is where Jesus of Suburbia finally decides to come back home to Jingletown.

Whatsername- In the lyrics, this is January 1st, the start of a new beginning. As he is back home, he thinks back at his girlfriend and why they left each other. He shows that he has no regret.

Back to American Idiot-The reason why I think it's a flashback is because he did all the things that everyone was caught up in (drugs, sex, violence), that he decided that America was messed up.
Author:  ButtdanceHR [ Thu May 18, 2006 6:00 am ]
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Where the heck did you get Jingletown from?
Author:  Sherlockrunner [ Thu May 18, 2006 3:44 pm ]
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there good not the best but good
i perfer simple plan
Author:  ModestlyHotGirl [ Thu May 18, 2006 5:56 pm ]
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I'm all right with Green Day. You know who I like better, though? Pinhead Gunpowder. Billie Joe hasn't completely abandoned his gutter-punk roots.

Edit: Click on New Blood to hear a sample of the song. Not their best, but you get the idea.
Author:  topofsm [ Fri May 19, 2006 1:39 am ]
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ButtdanceHR wrote:
Where the heck did you get Jingletown from?

You obviously don't have the album. The lyrics are in the form of a diary. The entry posted is in Jingletown.

Other than that, Jingletown is mentioned in part V. of Homecoming.
Author:  Shopiom [ Fri May 19, 2006 1:40 am ]
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You can bet yer Aunt Susan Green Day's awesome!
Author:  Sherlockrunner [ Fri May 19, 2006 1:54 am ]
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but ya green days pretty good
Author:  putitinyourshoe [ Fri May 19, 2006 3:02 am ]
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yeah green day is okay. not exactly the top of my "music snob" list of good bands but they arent bad. the old stuff is good for what it is, and the new stuff is good for what it is. I think that the Jesus and hoomecoming suites are the best, but i did get really ick of radio play on that album because it cheapens good songs and makes bad-mediocre songs gut-wrenching.

as for soloing, it's just not quite their thing. I don't think it's that nobody knows how but a lot of punk and punk-esque bands simply don't solo (notable exception: Bad Religion has a lot of solos, but im not a huge fan or anything). I mean if you wanna talk about kings of punk, Johnny Ramone played guitar for a long time and only played solos on one or two songs, yet regardless the ramones are one of the best punk bands ever.
Author:  ButtdanceHR [ Fri May 19, 2006 4:40 am ]
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topofsm wrote:
ButtdanceHR wrote:
Where the heck did you get Jingletown from?

You obviously don't have the album. The lyrics are in the form of a diary. The entry posted is in Jingletown.

Other than that, Jingletown is mentioned in part V. of Homecoming.


I own the album, but I don't look over it that extensively.
Author:  AceDecade [ Fri May 19, 2006 4:45 am ]
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umm boulevard of broken dreams= :kot: bad
when september ends= :trogdor: good
the voices knda throw me off
Author:  topofsm [ Sat May 20, 2006 1:44 am ]
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Even as a Green Day fan, I thought Boulevard was way too overrated and overplayed. Almost the same with September. I think they could have played American Idiot or Holiday more. They could have also played Jesus of Suburbia more. Who cares if it's long, if it's good music, then they'll get good reviews.

Who likes Homecoming more than Jesus of Suburbia?

Fun fact: The first song composed on American Idiot was American Idiot. The second one was part 3 of Homecoming, Nobody likes you, which Mike Dirnt, the bassist composed. Tre Cool, the drummer, tried that too, and made part 4, Rock n Roll Girlfriend.
Author:  minib198 [ Sat May 20, 2006 3:19 am ]
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I have only heard the American Idiot songs, but I hate them now. My friend was playing them over at his house while I was over there for four hours! It repeated like 12 times or so. :p

The only song now that I like on there is Jesus of Surburbia. Pure pwnage.
Author:  Marshmallow Roast [ Sat May 20, 2006 3:22 am ]
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I hate Green Day. I hate their old music. I hate their new music.

They just DON'T SOUND GOOD, and if they had a respectable image originally, they lost it and went for the "I AM A REBELLIOUS PUNK! HEAR ME WHINE!" image.
Author:  Blue [ Sat May 20, 2006 3:24 am ]
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Well, some of their old stuff was okay, but then they sort of jumped on the hating bush/wearing black clothes and makeup/ bandwagon and sold themselves out.
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