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Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:26 pm ]
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Madrid Fashion Show Bans ultra-thin Supermodels

All I can say is it's about freaking time.
Author:  PianoManGidley [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:38 pm ]
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Hah! I agree--it IS about time. I love this retort: "...but what about discrimination against the model and what about the freedom of the designer?" Sorry, but I don't see how designers can claim to worry that much about freedom if they already discriminate by creating clothing for such skinny girls in the first place; when was the last time a designer was clamoring for freedom because he/she wanted to design for obese women, and have that displayed at a fashion show?
Author:  InterruptorJones [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:19 pm ]
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Beyond the Grave wrote:
Madrid Fashion Show Bans ultra-thin Supermodels

All I can say is it's about freaking time.


Wow. This makes me very happy.

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"I think its outrageous, I understand they want to set this tone of healthy beautiful women, but what about discrimination against the model and what about the freedom of the designer," said Gould, Elite's North America director, adding that the move could harm careers of naturally "gazelle-like" models.


Ugh. "Naturally gazelle-like"? Ain't nobody looks like that naturally, lady. And what about the careers of naturally healthy-lookin' models, Ms. Gould? Were you as worried about them?

This is a good thing, but I'm afraid that it won't do much to change the fashion industry at large. But, oh well--baby steps.
Author:  Anydangway [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:35 pm ]
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Oh for heaven's sake.

Well, it won't last, first of all. And this sort of thing will not go over in other places. Can you imagine that happening at Fashion Week Paris? No. This is a rather weak try at fixing something that doesn't have everything to do with fashion models anyway. High fashion just isn't the same without the sample-size models.
Author:  Jello B. [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:41 pm ]
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That one chick with the face wrote:
High fashion just isn't the same without the sample-size models.


Right, it's better. I can't stand extremely skinny people. Grosses me out.
Author:  Shippinator Mandy [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:42 pm ]
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And that's why I'm hotter than a lot of supermodels. Any questions? :P

Would a sample-size model be sold on trays at a food court?
Author:  Jello B. [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:46 pm ]
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Shippinator Mandy wrote:
And that's why I'm hotter than a lot of supermodels. Any questions?

Jello B., Wiki World News. Do you happen to have any pictures proving this?
Author:  Shippinator Mandy [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:47 pm ]
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Jello B. wrote:
Shippinator Mandy wrote:
And that's why I'm hotter than a lot of supermodels. Any questions?

Jello B., Wiki World News. Do you happen to have any pictures proving this?


No. You can't see pictures of [s]baby Suri[/s] [s]Area 51[/s] me!
Author:  Jello B. [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:48 pm ]
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Shippinator Mandy wrote:
No. You can't see pictures of [s]baby Suri[/s] [s]Area 51[/i] me!

Yeah, and you can't work BBCode.

SNAP.

Image
Author:  topofsm [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:39 pm ]
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That's cool. I used that article in my newspaper journalism class. You're right, it's wrong how unnaturally wire-frame models will pose, and then girls and women will go bolemic (if that's how you spell it) or anorexic, when they're perfectly thin and healthy.
Author:  Inverse Tiger [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:47 pm ]
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The woman pictured next to the article... she is NOT healthy. She looks like one of those starving African children in the World Vision commercials. Anyone who thinks looking like that is a good thing needs psychiatric assistance for being a danger to themselves. And guys shouldn't be encouraging it by leching over women who look like that. Starvation attraction? Ugh. Since this Madrid show is government funded, it makes sense that it shouldn't be used to promote unhealthy practices
Author:  firemarc924 [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:52 pm ]
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As soon as I saw that girl I thought of Starvin Marvin. And I dont even like south park that much!
Author:  Chekt [ Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:57 pm ]
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InterruptorJones wrote:
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"I think its outrageous, I understand they want to set this tone of healthy beautiful women, but what about discrimination against the model and what about the freedom of the designer," said Gould, Elite's North America director, adding that the move could harm careers of naturally "gazelle-like" models.


Ugh. "Naturally gazelle-like"? Ain't nobody looks like that naturally, lady.

I was going to post the same thing. :p

And yeah, ultra-thin people look creepy.
Author:  ramrod [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:11 am ]
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Well, this is a start. It'll take time for this to become more popular, but it's a start.
Author:  StrongCanada [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:31 am ]
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As someone who a)is in an industry closely connected with modeling (acting - lots of actors become models and vice versa), b) has always been interested in modeling (but been too short - 5'5"...most models are 5'9" and taller - and too "heavy"...CURSES, I'm a size 6!), I'd like to give my opinion.

I applaud the designers for using healthier looking women. I, for one, would like to see a fashion show where women are selected for their beauty [EDIT: I don't associate body size with beauty](yes, they'd have to be a bit outwardly beautiful...otherwise, they aren't models, are they?), poise, healthy image, and just plain presence. The show would have skinny models, larger models, short, tall...they'd simply be dressed in clothes that flatter their specific body type. However this is probably a long way off.

As for the designer who commented on naturally-thin models...well, that's all fine and good, but not EVERYONE (and not even every model) is naturally THAT thin. I've heard people from the industry argue that clothes look better on taller women, which is why models are traditionally so tall. And as for the "sample size", if you don't know what that means, when a designer sends clothes to a fashion shoot, they're in a sample size...the size usually being about a 0 or 2...for guys who aren't familiar with women's sizes, that's DANG small. Go look at my pics, remember that I'm a size 5-6, and you'll get an idea of how tiny that is. Also consider that these women are taller than me too.

In conclusion, naturally thin is one thing, emaciated to the point of third-world poster child is another.
Author:  Anydangway [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:41 am ]
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StrongCanada wrote:
they'd simply be dressed in clothes that flatter their specific body type. However this is probably a long way off.


Well then it wouldn't be a fashion show, would it? It would just be... I dunno. Pretty girls in nice clothes walking around.

The point of fashion is art; a fashion show is just an art exhibit, really. Clothing that we wear is inspired by that, yeah, but fashion in the context of fashion shows is the art of the clothing itself, not the models that wear it. A lot of the clothes are only made once, and designers have been making them sample-size for years. Personally, I think it's just crazy to expect designers to start making those clothes bigger, totally changing the way they design clothes, in order to accomodate the laws for bigger models.

I agree that yes, some of those models are appallingly emaciated, and many of them do have problems with drugs and eating disorders, but (and I will find this magazine article later if I remember) it is possible to maintain a very low weight (a BMI of 16 or even lower) in a healthy manner if under a doctor's supervision.

As for the argument that thin models inspire young girls to have eating disorders, I'm not sold on that. There are SO many factors in causing eating disorders, there is no way to point the blame squarely on fashion models. In fact, eliminating thinner models from fashion week runways would probably do nothing to stem the number of young girls developing eating disorders. Whether the ideal woman's figure is a size two or a size eight, a girl with an eating disorder will still see herself as "fat" at a size zero. Eating disorders are not caused by young girls seeing thin models.

[/devil's advocate]

And by the way, I'm a size twelve.
Author:  ramrod [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:54 pm ]
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Anydangway wrote:
As for the argument that thin models inspire young girls to have eating disorders, I'm not sold on that. There are SO many factors in causing eating disorders, there is no way to point the blame squarely on fashion models. In fact, eliminating thinner models from fashion week runways would probably do nothing to stem the number of young girls developing eating disorders. Whether the ideal woman's figure is a size two or a size eight, a girl with an eating disorder will still see herself as "fat" at a size zero. Eating disorders are not caused by young girls seeing thin models.
Well, it's not just the models, but the media and society as a whole. They stress the urge to be as thin as possible, and that's what effects many young girls and woman.
Author:  PianoManGidley [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:21 pm ]
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ramrod wrote:
Anydangway wrote:
As for the argument that thin models inspire young girls to have eating disorders, I'm not sold on that. There are SO many factors in causing eating disorders, there is no way to point the blame squarely on fashion models. In fact, eliminating thinner models from fashion week runways would probably do nothing to stem the number of young girls developing eating disorders. Whether the ideal woman's figure is a size two or a size eight, a girl with an eating disorder will still see herself as "fat" at a size zero. Eating disorders are not caused by young girls seeing thin models.
Well, it's not just the models, but the media and society as a whole. They stress the urge to be as thin as possible, and that's what effects many young girls and woman.


Actually, according to the Wiki, there are plenty of factors both internal and external that can lead to someone developing an eating disorder. Funnily enough, though, the Wiki article doesn't mention the possible psychological cause that I learned in high school Health, which is that eating disorders are less about the victim's self-image of attractiveness and more about how they feel they've lost control of everything else in their life. But I agree that since the media pushing for an unhealthily thin model of women is at least PART of the problem, that doing at least SOMETHING to fix that one piece of the puzzle is going to be helpful.
Author:  ramrod [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:29 pm ]
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Actually Piano, the apperance does have to do with a lot of it. My mother has an eating disorder, and even now, after all the therapy and the medicine and her having to go away so some type of clinic, she still views herself as fat. It's a lifelong struggle.
Author:  Shippinator Mandy [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:48 pm ]
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ramrod wrote:
Actually Piano, the apperance does have to do with a lot of it. My mother has an eating disorder, and even now, after all the therapy and the medicine and her having to go away so some type of clinic, she still views herself as fat. It's a lifelong struggle.


My mother was anorexic at one point...she was very, very thin. (My dad was obscenely thin as a child, too, but for totally different reasons. He and I eat a lot, so that says something.) And now she IS actually fat, but she's trying to lose it healthily.

But I do know some girls [size=0]MYRRH[/size] who think they're fat even though they've got beautiful, healthy bodies.
Author:  Cybernetic Teenybopper [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:15 pm ]
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StrongCanada wrote:
I've heard people from the industry argue that clothes look better on taller women, which is why models are traditionally so tall.


So does that mean they think that only taller women should wear clothes, and all the rest of the women in the world should run around in the nude?

;)
Author:  Shopiom [ Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:01 pm ]
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Giggidy. :)
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:27 am ]
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Shopiom wrote:
Giggidy. :)
Down, Shopi.

I think this is a minor step. For it to be a major step, this would have to happen in a fashion capital like New York, Paris or Milan. If one of those places were to ban ultra-thin and Coke Chic models, it would echo throughout the world.
Author:  Marshmallow Roast [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:59 am ]
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I'm probably the only person here who thinks this is a really bad idea, and everyone else is now going to jump on me, right?

But, really, NOBODY should be banned from modeling because of their weight. Rail-thin or blimp-fat, it really doesn't matter. Beauty is beauty. I understand that prior to this, the rail-thin ones had a significant advantage, and I think it's not fair that designers seem to make those clothes exclusively for skinny people, but that's no reason to ban the thinnest ones from the shows.

Nor is the assumption that they may cause eating disorders in girls. What about all those women appearing on television and in magazines? What about our PEERS? I know from firsthand experience that girls with eating disorders compare themselves to their peers.
Author:  ed 'lim' smilde [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:07 am ]
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Marshmallow Roast wrote:
but that's no reason to ban the thinnest ones from the shows.
The ones I've seen are thin because they made themselves thin (in other words, not healthily thin). So they aren't supposed to be that skinny, it's just what they want everyone to think.
Author:  Marshmallow Roast [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:10 am ]
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ed 'lim' smilde wrote:
Marshmallow Roast wrote:
but that's no reason to ban the thinnest ones from the shows.
The ones I've seen are thin because they made themselves thin (in other words, not healthily thin). So they aren't supposed to be that skinny, it's just what they want everyone to think.

I know, but that really doesn't matter. They are what they are.
Author:  ed 'lim' smilde [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:52 am ]
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Marshmallow Roast wrote:
They are what they are.
...Which is somewhat harmful.
Author:  StrongRad [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:56 am ]
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ed 'lim' smilde wrote:
Marshmallow Roast wrote:
They are what they are.
...Which is somewhat harmful.

It's their choice to be that way, though. Sure, if they gain weight, they may lose a job, but that doesn't change the fact that being that freaking thin is their fault.

Myrrh is right. I'm sick of this "girls try to be like impossibly thin models because that's what the media tells them they have to be" argument.
The media tells me I have to look like Brad Pitt, but that doesn't mean I'm in the gym 40 hours a week.
Author:  Marshmallow Roast [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:57 am ]
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ed 'lim' smilde wrote:
Marshmallow Roast wrote:
They are what they are.
...Which is somewhat harmful.

Yes, I know. But that really isn't the point. Maybe they are practicing something that's dangerous to them, but that doesn't make them any less qualified to model.
Author:  PianoManGidley [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:05 am ]
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StrongRad wrote:
I'm sick of this "girls try to be like impossibly thin models because that's what the media tells them they have to be" argument.
The media tells me I have to look like Brad Pitt, but that doesn't mean I'm in the gym 40 hours a week.


But there is still so much of a double standard when it comes to the positions of men and women in our society. It's still very patriarchical, meaning there is less pressure on men to be physically attractive.
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