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Author:  El Santo [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:52 am ]
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StrongRad wrote:
If Mac was the dominant operating system, you'd see a bunch of Mac worms..


That's true, but that is also the point. Mac's non-dominance is the strength, and that's what the commercials are trying to convey.

It kinda like "We know only 10% of computer users use Mac, so there's less of a chance anyone will develop a virus that only ticks off pretentious artsy-fartsy types." :)

(And I can say that being a Mac user.)

As for the commercials themselves, I like them. Yeah, the Mac guy is a bit of a jerk, and it has been parodied on things like VH1's Best Week Ever.

However, the commercials do acknowledge that there are things Windows-based PCs are better at doing than Apple, and it does imply that Mac is an easier system to use for those who don't require much.

I find the ads much less pretentious than the misleading "Mac Switch Ads" (the most famous staring Ellen Feis) that aired a few years ago. That made me want to punch every Mac user in the nose.
Author:  StrongRad [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:02 am ]
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El Santo wrote:
StrongRad wrote:
If Mac was the dominant operating system, you'd see a bunch of Mac worms..


That's true, but that is also the point. Mac's non-dominance is the strength, and that's what the commercials are trying to convey.

It kinda like "We know only 10% of computer users use Mac, so there's less of a chance anyone will develop a virus that only ticks off pretentious artsy-fartsy types." :)

The only problem is, they're not saying that. They're saying "Macs are Virus Proof" and that's an out and out lie.
Author:  StrongRad [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:10 am ]
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Magna Carta wrote:
StrongRad wrote:
El Santo wrote:
StrongRad wrote:
If Mac was the dominant operating system, you'd see a bunch of Mac worms..


That's true, but that is also the point. Mac's non-dominance is the strength, and that's what the commercials are trying to convey.

It kinda like "We know only 10% of computer users use Mac, so there's less of a chance anyone will develop a virus that only ticks off pretentious artsy-fartsy types." :)

The only problem is, they're not saying that. They're saying "Macs are Virus Proof" and that's an out and out lie.

No... the ads say that PCs have 114,000 virii, and not on Macs... it never said anything about Macs being virus-proof.

In fact, Apple on their website says that no computer is exempt from threats.

Yes, they do say that, but they don't say it in the commercials. In the commercials, they give the impression that Macs are immune to virus attack. That's part of the reason that I hate Macs.. That and the snooty "If you use a Mac you're better than those stupid PC users" attitude that the ads have.

I've used a Mac. Didn't really have a problem with it. I use Windows, though, as does a majority of the world. The Mac I used seemed awfully similar to Linux. Not sure if it was MacOS 10 or what, but everything about it was very Linux (including the segmentation faults with SOLO ii)*.

*that is totally a problem with SOLO ii, it was written for a Silicon Graphics box and ported (horribly) for Linux/Unix.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Microsoft-Bashing Thread
Magna Carta wrote:
And also, if Avid crashes a lot, then it's a software error, not a Mac error at whole.
Oh yeah it does. The Mac I use will crash without Avid being launched.


Magna Carta wrote:
I've been using my Mac for 6 months, and I have only had one crash. Same with Windows XP.
I've been using Windows for 10 years and it hasn't crashed once.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:41 pm ]
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Magna Carta wrote:
Beyond the Grave wrote:
Magna Carta wrote:
I've been using my Mac for 6 months, and I have only had one crash. Same with Windows XP.
I've been using Windows for 10 years and it hasn't crashed once.

...you didn't even regard the fact that Windows XP crashed only once for me. Windows 98, on the other hand...
No I took that into account. I was just saying from my experience, I have never had a problem with it. I have used Windows 95, 98, ME and XP and on the next compy I buy, I will get Vista. The only thing I would ever buy a Mac for is video editing. Final Cut Pro is the best editing software out there.

Magna Carta wrote:
By the way, I may get condemned for this, but I believe that this Mac-hatred is just as bigoted and as one-sided as Nazi anti-Semitism.
It's not even close to that not by any means. Nothing compares to Nazi Anti-Semistism, nothing.
Author:  StrongRad [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:27 pm ]
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Beyond the Grave wrote:
Magna Carta wrote:
By the way, I may get condemned for this, but I believe that this Mac-hatred is just as bigoted and as one-sided as Nazi anti-Semitism.
It's not even close to that not by any means. Nothing compares to Nazi Anti-Semistism, nothing.

GODWIN'S RULE!! Sorry, MC.. Until millions of people are killed for using Macs, that'll be the greatest overstatement ever.

11 Million Jews exterminated is far worse than making fun of a lackluster computer system by, at least, several hundred thousand orders of magnitude.

And now that the comparison has been made between someone who disagrees with you and those mean German guys, this thread is over. Blame Magna Carta for bringing it up.
This might get unlocked, later.
Author:  It's dot com [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:37 pm ]
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I'm a graphic designer, and I have both Windows and MacOS machines because customers give me files for both. I have both Windows and Mac versions of all my major software, too. I use both every day, and I definitely prefer Windows over Mac, mostly for the following look-and-feel reasons:
    • Limited support for mouses with more than one button, especially the scrolling wheel.
    • Abysmal keyboard-shortcut support.
    • Dialog boxes are difficult to navigate, and there are several shortcuts available on the Windows side that aren't available on the Mac.

Other than that, the differences really aren't that noticeable.
Author:  StrongRad [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:54 pm ]
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Well, since Dot Com posted, I suppose that I can unlock this.
Keep it civil, though.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:21 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote:
Well, since Dot Com posted, I suppose that I can unlock this.
Keep it civil, though.
You know I was about to Toastpaint this thread before you locked it.

TOASTPAINT
Author:  Acekirby [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:52 pm ]
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A Microsoft Bashing thread? I saw that whole incident coming a mile away with a thread like this.

Also, I hate those Mac ads. Those "we must be cooler because Mac users are hip and trendy while PC users are the old nerdy people who only like doing piecharts and data tables" attitude. Things like that are one of the reasons I'm so turned off to Macs.

Also, wouldn't it be better for Apple fanboys to praise their own system instead of bashing another person's? It seems like it'd be a lot easier and would have less negative feelings. PCs have their own strengths and weaknesses. Macs do too.
Author:  The Snork [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:08 pm ]
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*comes back from 24-hour hiatus*

Whoa. This is not the response I was hoping for.

Anyway, let me set a few things straight. I use Firefox, which you should get yesterday if you don't have it. I was not mocking Microsoft as far as usability goes. I was mocking their clunkiness, their crashes.

Also: Yes, I have used an iMac. There's an Apple Store pretty close to where I live. I went with my parents, and we all liked it.

Feel free to express your own opinions. Just don't yell about them like raving lunatics.

To Acekirby: Yes, but PCs have less strengths and more weaknesses. In my opinion.
Author:  StrongRad [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:14 am ]
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Acekirby wrote:
A Microsoft Bashing thread? I saw that whole incident coming a mile away with a thread like this.

Also, I hate those Mac ads. Those "we must be cooler because Mac users are hip and trendy while PC users are the old nerdy people who only like doing piecharts and data tables" attitude. Things like that are one of the reasons I'm so turned off to Macs.

Also, wouldn't it be better for Apple fanboys to praise their own system instead of bashing another person's? It seems like it'd be a lot easier and would have less negative feelings. PCs have their own strengths and weaknesses. Macs do too.

Ace, that's the best post I've seen in this thread so far.
My inital thought was to lock the thread and spam vault it when I saw it, for fear of that (plus it's borderline classism). I decided to let it go, and my suspicions turned out to be correct. I locked it, but when I saw It's Dot Com post, I figured it was ok to let it go and see if people had learned to be civil.
I still don't like the idea of a "Bashing" thread, as I see it leading plenty of bad places. If any other admin/mod locks this thread, I certainly won't consider unlocking it.
Author:  The Snork [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:25 am ]
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StrongRad wrote:
Acekirby wrote:
A Microsoft Bashing thread? I saw that whole incident coming a mile away with a thread like this.

Also, I hate those Mac ads. Those "we must be cooler because Mac users are hip and trendy while PC users are the old nerdy people who only like doing piecharts and data tables" attitude. Things like that are one of the reasons I'm so turned off to Macs.

Also, wouldn't it be better for Apple fanboys to praise their own system instead of bashing another person's? It seems like it'd be a lot easier and would have less negative feelings. PCs have their own strengths and weaknesses. Macs do too.

Ace, that's the best post I've seen in this thread so far.
My inital thought was to lock the thread and spam vault it when I saw it, for fear of that (plus it's borderline classism). I decided to let it go, and my suspicions turned out to be correct. I locked it, but when I saw It's Dot Com post, I figured it was ok to let it go and see if people had learned to be civil.
I still don't like the idea of a "Bashing" thread, as I see it leading plenty of bad places. If any other admin/mod locks this thread, I certainly won't consider unlocking it.


Well, it's not like I can change the topic itself or remove the thread, but I'll change the title and the focus a bit. In a couple minutes.
Author:  MC Otaku [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:16 am ]
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I like both. iPod pwns. Xbox pwns. I don't own a Mac, but I sure do want one. I'm getting one ASAP. :)
Author:  El Santo [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:34 am ]
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Acekirby wrote:
A Microsoft Bashing thread? I saw that whole incident coming a mile away with a thread like this.

Also, I hate those Mac ads. Those "we must be cooler because Mac users are hip and trendy while PC users are the old nerdy people who only like doing piecharts and data tables" attitude. Things like that are one of the reasons I'm so turned off to Macs.

Also, wouldn't it be better for Apple fanboys to praise their own system instead of bashing another person's? It seems like it'd be a lot easier and would have less negative feelings. PCs have their own strengths and weaknesses. Macs do too.


Sure. I think you've seen several Mac fans being civil in this very thread. :)

But I know what you're saying. I used to help around the Mac-Users Club in college, and they could've toned down the superiority complex down a scosche.
Author:  StrongRad [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:43 am ]
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El Santo wrote:
Sure. I think you've seen several Mac fans being civil in this very thread. :)

Yeah, we've seen a couple of those, but we've also seen stuff like this:
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By the way, I may get condemned for this, but I believe that this Mac-hatred is just as bigoted and as one-sided as Nazi anti-Semitism.
Author:  ready for prime time [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:51 am ]
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we use them in in Media. i like the...stylishness.
the only ad i liked was the one where the athlete threw a sledgehammer at a big ol' screen. too bad it hasn't been shown for about 24 years.
Author:  iKipapa [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:57 pm ]
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I've never really used a Mac for a long period of time, and I want to try it out. I am getting one whenever I have enough money for a MacBook. Right now I am close to $500.
I know I am going to like it, because I always love to use my cousin's.

So, we'll see what happens.
And, no, I don't have any problems with Windows.
I've used a Windows my whole life.
Author:  ChickenLeg [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:25 pm ]
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I used to have a Windows 95 with a Windows 98SE operating system. Near the end of using it, it would be shut down by a BSoD. Then, my dad took those Dell Christmastime opprotunities to get this new one for about $250. Now, I only get a BSoD after ejecting a CD I just wrote on. Of course, that's more of a program error than an XP error. Damn Easy CD Creator. I always seem to mess it up somehow.

Macs, I think, I would use for multimedia purposes someday. Sure, I've been raised on a Tandy and grew up with a PC, but MACs seem better with that type of thing. I'll still use PC's, but for games and stashing stuff.
Author:  StrongRad [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:14 pm ]
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iKipapa wrote:
And, no, I don't have any problems with Windows.
I've used a Windows my whole life.

That pretty much my reason for not switching to Linux or Mac.
Windows 98 was a crapfest, but the XP Pro I have on my lappy seems to work just fine. I know how to use it, and it serves my purpose. Of course, when Vista comes out and XP users are left to fall by the wayside, I'll probably check it out, and if it's something that'll require me to learn something completely different, then one of my barriers to Mac or Linux (namely, "I already know how to use Windows") will be gone.
Author:  J-Man [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:47 pm ]
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I don't want to get too off-topic nor do I want to bash MS to the ground, but I've tried the Beta version of Vista. All I have to say is get it only when it's absolutely necessary (like when Microsoft stops updating XP) or switch to another OS.

I had several hair-pulling moments. The enhanced security seems like there's just more "Are you sure? The Internet can be really bad place with bad people. Even this file could be a malicious virus!" -type of messages. At every-freaking-thing.
Another thing I noted is that unless your user account has full authorities, you can't really do crap; can't put files outside of your user folder, need to enter the password of the administrator account when downloading a file or opening it etc.
And for a computer with 512mb of RAM and a decent CPU, it was really slow (was my Dad's compy).

Ok, back to the Mac/Windows bashing everyone. :)
Author:  Duecex2 [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:58 am ]
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I like both. My school uses nothing but Macs, and I think there OK. PC's are cool, too. They all have their ups and downs. Make love, not war.

Apple's ads for the Mac vs. PC thing suck. They're just stupid.
Author:  Speckeldorf [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:25 am ]
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I think the main reason I like Macs is because I was raised on them, and have been using them my whole life. And that's probably why I think Windows is more confusing, because I'm not used to it.

If I were raised on Windows, I would probably not like Macs as much.

And Apple makes awesome software.
Author:  Mr. Sparkle [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:15 am ]
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Definitely, I don't understand Windows at all, mainly because the first time I really got to use it I was in 5th grade.
Author:  StrongRad [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:22 am ]
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Mr. Sparkle wrote:
Definitely, I don't understand Windows at all, mainly because the first time I really got to use it I was in 5th grade.

I also used windows for the first time when I was in 5th grade. Windows 3.0 had only been out for something like 6 months. :-P
It was COOL... If only we'd known, we could have killed it then..
Author:  Inverse Tiger [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:32 am ]
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Windows XP seems like it's pretty stable as long as you use good software and keep your RAM up to snuff with however much the programs are using these days. And never visit weird websites. And I've noticed a lot of people learn the little quirks their computers have, so for everything they have a certain way of doing it, so when someone else uses the computer without supervision it's much easier to crash when they try a different way. That seems to be a Windows thing. But it is easy and works immediately with almost everything. I miss that sometimes.

I'd been trying to install Linux for a decade (every now and then) before finally succeeding this time. I even got it working on the Lappy. Why even try? Just for the challenge, really. It turns using the computer into a game in itself. But the Linux game used to be Crazy Hard, now it's set on Normal. It has even more of those little quirks: if you don't eject the CD just right it won't read the next one you put in, if you don't open programs in a certain order the sound won't work, etc, etc... there are probably fixes for that stuff and finding the solutions will be fun for me, but it's not everyone's thing, that's for sure. Some people for some reason just want to sit down with a computer and just have it work. And for that we have Windows and Macs.

(just a view from the unmentioned third party :p)
Author:  Acekirby [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:22 am ]
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I've used PC/Windows-running computers all my life. Macs are really confusing to me.

J-Man wrote:
I don't want to get too off-topic nor do I want to bash MS to the ground, but I've tried the Beta version of Vista. All I have to say is get it only when it's absolutely necessary (like when Microsoft stops updating XP) or switch to another OS.

Well, keep in mind that that's a Beta version. They'll probably make a lot of changes before they're ready to put it out.
Author:  ButtdanceHR [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:13 pm ]
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I really like windows, mainly because that's the thing I was raised on. It's never crashed once.

I've only tried a mac once, it was old, and not very good. I'd like to try one of the newer ones sometime.

Oh yea, was Magna Carta banned or temporarily banned? He hasn't posted since...
Author:  Anydangway [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:40 pm ]
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Hmmm.

I used a Mac in a filmmaking class for about a year, and this is what I have to say about Macs.

If you have a thought, and it goes something like: "I wish my computer did ___________," the Mac probably can do it, and the PC probably can't. This was, at least, my experience in it. I still use a PC at home, and I've bought a new PC since using a Mac, so I'm not converted yet.

Still, if I ever have the extra money, I'd love to have a Mac.
Author:  Inverse Tiger [ Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:03 pm ]
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So it looks like:
Mac = good for people who have serious work to do using computers as a tool
Windows = good for people who are casual users or gamers (as long as they stay off the warez and pr0n)
Linux = good for total l33t h4><0rz who want to do program development or servers or something, or dogmatic open-source hippies

Me = not l33t h4x0r. I ran back to windows last night for the first time in a long time (wasn't hard, dual boot compy) and I have to say, the ease with which everything works is refreshing. Updated spyware & virus scanners, ran scans, d/led the Windows versions of some of the programs I used in linux (GIMP, Audacity, VLC, openoffice, etc) transferred my playstation emulator saves from the linux drive and things are working rrrl rrrl well. It boots faster and looks cleaner. Maybe in another 2 years, Linux will finally get polished down good enough for the average user...

Only thing about Macs that's annoying is the bar of soap attached to it. Otherwise, they seem pretty cool. Stylin'.
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