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But the earth could do none of that if God had not created it and all things within it.


Well, where did God come from, and how did he attain the means to create an entire planet? Almighty beings don't just come out of thin air, do they?

I don't believe that any larger being had anything to do with the earth's creation, and that the natural order of things allowed it to happen, and so it did.

EDIT: I realize the above may sound kind of jerky to you, but I don't like being told that what I believe is untrue. I'm sure you don't either, which is why I start my scentences with "I believe..." I just added this edit to let you know that I take some offense to the lack of "I believe" in front of your statement, because it is implying that what I believe is factually incorrect. My beliefs are not factually incorrect, and neither are yours. We don't know, and so, saying for a fact that God made this earth insults me and anyone who does not subscribe to that opinion because you are implying that their beliefs are incorrect.

I'm going in circles, but I just want to make the point clear that I don't appreciate the comment. I know what you believe, and accept that you believe it, but... oh, poo, I'm going to end up going in circles again. I assume you get my point by now.

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God is capable of existing on his own (since he is all-powerfull), the earth really isn't.

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God is capable of existing on his own (since he is all-powerfull), the earth really isn't.


Well, that's one belief. I personally don't see why the earth couldn't have formed on its own, nor why it's incapable of existing on its own, even though I personally believe in a Creator.

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God is capable of existing on his own (since he is all-powerfull), the earth really isn't.


Well, that's one belief. I personally don't see why the earth couldn't have formed on its own, nor why it's incapable of existing on its own, even though I personally believe in a Creator.


To be truthful, I can't understand how the Earth and life on it could have formed on it's own.

To me, it makes more sence to have someone create something then have random chance do it. Nor do I believe that it can exist on it's own.

Out of curiousity PianoMan, do you have a specific Creator?


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To be truthful, I can't understand how the Earth and life on it could have formed on it's own.

To me, it makes more sence to have someone create something then have random chance do it. Nor do I believe that it can exist on it's own.

Out of curiousity PianoMan, do you have a specific Creator?


Yeah, but I believe that our minds are only capable of comprehending so much, and that the universe's working are far too complex for us to ever understand EVERYTHING...so just because we can't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. However, that same last phrase could easily be applied to a belief in God. ;)

And I don't have a "specific Creator" in the sense of one that's defined by any organized religion. My view of the Creator is closest to Deism, though.

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Well, where did God come from, and how did he attain the means to create an entire planet? Almighty beings don't just come out of thin air, do they?

But that's part of what it means to be God - to be self-existent, to have no origin, per se, but to exist even before time. A question like, "Where did God come from?" is in itself a logical contradiction to start with. The problem with the analogy is that it presupposes that, like all other things we experience in this universe, God somehow depends on something else to give him existence, when the truth is the opposite: all things are from him, exist in him, and exist for him, not the other way around.

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I don't believe that any larger being had anything to do with the earth's creation, and that the natural order of things allowed it to happen, and so it did.

But then, are you not asserting that the created order is self-existent? If the question, "Where did God come from?" is to be considered, then shouldn't, "Where did the universe come from?" also be presented?

I am sorry you took offense to my statement. However, that is the reality of telling anyone what you believe: the fact that they might not accept it, and may even challenge you in it. Heck, I get that all the time. Nevertheless, I still feel my challenge is valid: the earth in and of itself is not worthy of our worship. Either it was created by God, in which case we owe him our honor and thanks. On the other hand, if we're going to attribute divine characteristics to the earth, then why not just go ahead and worship God?

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I am sorry you took offense to my statement. However, that is the reality of telling anyone what you believe: the fact that they might not accept it, and may even challenge you in it. Heck, I get that all the time. Nevertheless, I still feel my challenge is valid: the earth in and of itself is not worthy of our worship. Either it was created by God, in which case we owe him our honor and thanks. On the other hand, if we're going to attribute divine characteristics to the earth, then why not just go ahead and worship God?


Because God is portrayed as an almighty being who watches us, protects us, and looks out for us, with our repayment being worship for him. I believe that the earth, and us as part of the animals earth created, live in a symbiotic relationship with our god, where we both must help and protect eachother for our us to survive. I don't believe that the Earth is like the Christian god, in that all it demands of us is for us to sustain it as it sustains us. Also, I don't believe that the earth is watching us, or can answer our prayers, but only that it provides for us everything we need to survive in this world, expecting us to use it the best that we can, and someday return the favor. And once we die, the earth takes us back, and as for any afterlife that may occur, I'll find out what goes down once I'm dead.

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I bet my #1 result would be Christian and my second would be Judaism, and Satanism and Paganism would be at the end of the list.

Update: These are my results.

Christianity - 100% (Yessss.)
Buddhism - 54% (Wha...?)
Paganism - 42%
Judaism - 42% (Shouldn't that be higher on the list?)
Islam - 38%
Hinduism - 33%
Atheism - 25%
Satanism - 17%
Agnosticism - 4%

Update (again): Finally got it right.

Christianity - 100%
Buddhism - 67%
Islam - 42%
Judaism - 42%
Hinduism - 33%
Atheism - 33%
Paganism - 33%
Satanism - 17%
Agnosticism - 0%

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Buddhism - 54% (Wha...?)


Actually, a famous story of Buddhism has a Christian talking to a Buddhist monk, telling him parts of the Bible. In this story, the monk continually states that the "man who wrote these things is very wise." The two religions share much in common morally. I, personally, do not need a test to tell me what I belive in.

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Good point! :)

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If Satanism doesn't worship anything, what makes them a religion?
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1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

[Peeve Alert]Ok, that "life or condition of a person in a religious order" thing bugs the crap out of me. They used religion in the definition of religion. I hate when people use a form of a word in its own definition[/peeve alert]

The only thing there that makes me call Satanism, at least how you've described it, a religion is #4, What cause, principle or activity do they pursue with zeal or devotion?


I'd say Satanism (at least the official Church of Satan) falls under definition #3 as well, since the religion is based on the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey.

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yea i just gotta put out a big huge wtf on this one:

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wow. is this question loaded?

Islam 92%
Judaism 75%
Christianity 50%
Buddhism 42%
Paganism 25
Hinduism 17%
agnosticism 17%
Satanism 17%
atheism 0%

this is actually quite funny. at some point I may go through and correct the questions in the quiz.

in case you are wondering I am Christian.

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What? This quiz is very incomplete: where's New Age, Rastafarianism and...Rigism? ;)

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You are an agnostic. Though it is generally taken that agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve in God, it is possible to be a theist or atheist in addition to an agnostic. Agnostics don't believe it is possible to prove the existence of God (nor lack thereof). Agnosticism is a philosophy that God's existence cannot be proven. Some say it is possible to be agnostic and follow a religion; however, one cannot be a devout believer if he or she does not truly believe.

agnosticism 100%
atheism 88%
Buddhism 75%
Islam 75%
Paganism 75%
Satanism(Everybody! la di da di da!!!) 71%
Christianity 38%
Judaism 33%
Hinduism 17%


Pretty much what I expected. I didn't know I was that much of a satanist, though!


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Christianity 100%
Islam 67%
Buddhism 50%
Judaism 33%
Paganism 29%
agnosticism 25%
Hinduism 13%
Satanism 0%
atheism 0%

Hmm. That's good. I answered truthfully, so that seems pretty right.


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It was fairly accurate.

You scored as Christianity.

Your views are most similar to those of Christianity. Do more research on Christianity and possibly consider being baptized and accepting Jesus, if you aren't already Christian. Christianity is the second of the Abrahamic faiths; it follows Judaism and is followed by Islam. It differs in its belief of Jesus, as not a prophet nor historical figure, but as God in human form. The Holy Trinity is the concept that God takes three forms: the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost (sometimes called Holy Spirit). Jesus taught the idea of instead of seeking revenge, one should love his or her neighbors and enemies. Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross to save humankind and forgive people's sins.

Christianity
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Judaism
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agnosticism
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Buddhism
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Islam
29%
Paganism
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Hinduism
8%
Satanism
8%
atheism
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My results are as follows:

Christianity: 100%
Buddhism: 71%
Judaism: 58%
Hinduism: 50%
Islam: 46%
Atheism: 38%
Paganism: 33%
Satanism: 33%
Agnosticism: 21%

I'd say my results were accurate. I'm 100% Christian and I'd probably agree with most of the moral views of Buddhism, and I naturally believe a lot of the same things Jews do.

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I took a quiz similair to this, but it had a lot more religions, and their questions were much less direct.

I remember I scored 100% Universal Unitarianist (which on that quiz nearly everyone gets a high score in, because its an extremely broad church, there is some muslims, agnostics, athiests, buddhists, etc, even though it was founded under protestitanism (I know I screwed up the spelling there) the only strong belief you really have to have is the acceptance of gays, and most are also otherwise pretty liberal)

Than I got 98% Secular Humanist, which is again pretty broad.

Than agnostic, than athiests.

I remember my two lowest scores were scientology and Jehovah's Witness's. But I do disagree with most things that JW's have to say, I do consider myself a strong pacifist.

One thing I dont understand, why is it that most people here who get a strong score on Christianity, generally get a higher score on athiesm than agnosticism?

Oh, and one more thing, I think it is a very misleading argument (I know no one has brought it up yet) to say that athiesm requires as much faith as thiesm. This is true, but who considers themselves thiests, and than just stop right there? Athiesm requires about the same amount of faith as thiesm, but a lot less faith than christianity. Sorry, I just had to point that out, in case there are too many Anti-Athiests in here.


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I dont agree with that Quizes spectrum of listing agnosticism requiring more faith than athiesm. It is untrue to say the more you believe in a god the more faithfull you are and the less reason based you are. For example an athiest can believe there isn't a god but there is a planet out there which is filled with witches and wizards who control our every movement, that to me, would require a lot of faith to believe. Agnosticsim, in my opinion, is the denial of faith of any sort. And for that matter, I believe that faith is something that fills in where reason cannot, or at least thats what I think it should be. That is actually how all religions start, there are not or very few religions that deny any science that was accepted when it started, but when science developed more, it started overlapping where faith already was, for example creation of humans. This is why I am agnostic, I believe that religion can start out being very scientifically grounded, but as science advances religion does not. That being said, I actually do follow the moral philisophy of the bible, but I just reject all the theology in it, as to whether this makes me a christain, I think that is purely oppinion based. I would say no, because someone can follow the bible's philosophy very well, and could have never read the bible.

Anyway, thats my 2 cents.


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I should be a Pastafarian... But I'm not... :sad:


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I should be a Pastafarian... But I'm not... :sad:


Good to see you're more mature than that.

That whole Pastafarianism/FSM thing makes anti-religious/non-religious people look like clowns.

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So...I take it Darwinism, New Age, Rastafarianism and Mormonism (sp?) aren't included on this list?

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I fit with Judeo-Christian. I was right in the center of scientific and reason, and high up on faith, but verrry close to the border of scientology and Buddhism (I'm not sure if being that close to the border was entirely accurate..)

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A humanist is basically an atheist or agnostic with normal and somewhat self less morals. I fit the profile, and if I remember correctly, so did Isaac Asmov.


Selfless? Humanism is basically founded on the principle that morals are relative and that ethics are in the eye of the beholder, the beholder having the ultimate say about right and wrong, and who can use quote-unquote "situational ethics" to whatever end he chooses.
Doesn't sound too selfless to me.

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That test is a little bit inaccurate as far the faith versus reason scale goes however, because it makes the incorrect assertion that theists can't be technical thinkers.


I agree with you, except that faith is not founded on reason, but actually on believing whether soemthing is seen or not.
Don't get me wrong though; it is possible (and I would recommend it, personally) to backup your faith with reason.

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Your beliefs most closely resemble those of Satanism! Before you scream, do a bit of research on it. To be a Satanist, you don't actually have to believe in Satan. Satanism generally focuses upon the spiritual advancement of the self, rather than upon submission to a deity or a set of moral codes. Do some research if you immediately think of the satanic cult stereotype. Your beliefs may also resemble those of earth-based religions such as paganism.

Satanism 92%
agnosticism 58%
atheism 54%
Islam 54%
Christianity 54%
Paganism 50%
Buddhism 46%
Judaism 8%
Hinduism 4%


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That's kind of surprising, but after hearing about what it's really like, I kind of like the idea of it.

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I got Spiritualism...

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Your ideals are mostly spiritual, but in an individualistic way. While spirituality is very important in your life, organized religion itself may not be for you. It is best for you to seek these things on your own terms.


I guess that sort of describes me, but this quiz could defintley use some more in depth answers. Like for...

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I'd somewhat gree to that, but the only options I had were a definate yes or no.

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OK, I merged the two threads. There's no need to have two threads about religion quizes. In Grave's quiz, I was a Buddhist.

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Your beliefs most closely resemble those of Buddhism. Do more research on Buddhism and possibly consider becoming Buddhist, if you are not already. In Buddhism, there are Four Noble Truths: (1) Life is suffering. (2) All suffering is caused by ignorance of the nature of reality and the craving, attachment, and grasping that result from such ignorance. (3) Suffering can be ended by overcoming ignorance and attachment. (4) The path to the suppression of suffering is the Noble Eightfold Path, which consists of right views, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right-mindedness, and right contemplation. These eight are usually divided into three categories that base the Buddhist faith: morality, wisdom, and samadhi, or concentration. In Buddhism, there is no hierarchy, nor caste system; the Buddha taught that one's spiritual worth is not based on birth.

Buddhism 75%
Christianity 71%
Judaism 50%
Paganism 46%
Hinduism 42%
agnosticism 42%
Islam 38%
Satanism 25%
atheism 17%

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OK, I merged the two threads. There's no need to have two threads about religion quizes. In Grave's quiz, I was a Buddhist.

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Your beliefs most closely resemble those of Buddhism. Do more research on Buddhism and possibly consider becoming Buddhist, if you are not already. In Buddhism, there are Four Noble Truths: (1) Life is suffering. (2) All suffering is caused by ignorance of the nature of reality and the craving, attachment, and grasping that result from such ignorance. (3) Suffering can be ended by overcoming ignorance and attachment. (4) The path to the suppression of suffering is the Noble Eightfold Path, which consists of right views, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right-mindedness, and right contemplation. These eight are usually divided into three categories that base the Buddhist faith: morality, wisdom, and samadhi, or concentration. In Buddhism, there is no hierarchy, nor caste system; the Buddha taught that one's spiritual worth is not based on birth.

Buddhism 75%
Christianity 71%
Judaism 50%
Paganism 46%
Hinduism 42%
agnosticism 42%
Islam 38%
Satanism 25%
atheism 17%


Hmm. You're a Christian, though, right?

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Hmm. You're a Christian, though, right?
Well, yes, I am Christian. Catholic to be precise. Though these quizes have gotten me thinking. But these are just online quizes, the true way is to actually find out on my own. To do some actual research.

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