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(S)he was talking about Tay-Sachs disease, which evin290 was talking about up the page.

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I would say I'm against abortion. It's taking a life, whether the baby has come out yet or not. It's as good to cut off a baby's head as soon as it comes out as it is to kill it before it takes its first breath, right? In the case of rape, I would say just give birth and put it up for adoption. Give it a chance at life. It's not the baby's fault that it had a terrible father.

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I'm not sure you're aware of this, but giving birth hurts. It is painful. If you've been raped, would you want to go through the physical pain of childbirth only to have what you've worked for for 9 months to just be taken away from you?

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There's also the mothering instinct to take into account in the case of rape. I know that if I were pregnant and took the baby to term, after having given birth (the "miracle of life", if you will) there's no way anyone could ever take that baby away from me. If it were a rapist's baby, I would be so conflicted after having given birth that I'd have a really hard time with it emotionally. Loving the child because it's mine, but resenting it because it also belongs to a pervert. Maybe some women would have the same kind of guilt after having an abortion, but I don't think I would. Losing (or getting rid of, if you prefer) a fetus would be much easier to deal with than losing a newborn baby. My cousin has had both a miscarriage (at about 15 weeks, I think) and has given birth to a stillborn baby, and she said that the stillborn was much more difficult than the miscarriage. I know it's not the same thing as abortion, but it's easier to let go of an indiscernible mass of cells than a full-term baby.

As an aside, my cousin's baby boy is coming up on his first birthday.

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I'm pro-life for the most part. I just think that it's wrong for a woman to get an abortion because she didn't use birth control, or because the condom broke, or whatever. I'm very strongly pro-adoption (I totally agree with your points on adoption, Ungurait#7!).

However, there are some situations where abortion is somewhat acceptable (though it's a terribly sad thing anyway). If a woman is raped and gets pregnant, I can see her being so traumatized by the experience that she'd get an abortion. If the mother will die if the child is carried to term, then it's acceptable. I'd also say that if the child is going to live a life of pain and suffering due to a disorder or disease, then it may be kinder to abort it and keep it from suffering (though I'm not sure what I'd do in that situation).

The thing I don't get is why some teenagers get pregnant and say, "Oh, I don't believe in abortion, so I'll raise the child on my own!" The idea of adoption never crosses their mind.

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I'm not sure about that. I think adoption is a lot harder on women than you might think. This is THEIR child, and while their concern for the child's welfare is certainly very powerful, I'll wager there's also a deep intimate connection between mother and child that develops as the she carries her baby to term. I'd bet it's extremely hard for a mother to give up her child.

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Point taken. It's just that they don't even mention it. It's like they don't seem to know it exists...I wouldn't have a problem with it if they said something like "I'd put it up for adoption, but I just can't bring myself to do that".

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Heart-to-heart adoption. Keep in touch with the child's foster family and even the child itself. Enjoy the love of your child without having to take on the impossible responsibility of taking care of him/her.

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But wouldn't the child become confused in that situation? Realistically, not many adopted parents would openly welcome the child's birthparents into their lives just after the child is adopted, right?

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Also, in the case of adoption, the child may not want to meet/get in touch with his/her birth parents. One of my friends is adopted, and he's known for years. He did some research to find out who his birth mother is and her medical history, but has no desire to meet her.

I'm not trying to say that adoption is more difficult emotionally than abortion, but that there are big emotional ramifications regardless of what a pregnant woman plans to do with an unplanned pregnancy. And that includes keeping and raising the child. Pregnancy is an emotional roller-coaster no matter the circumstances. Even if a couple is trying to get pregnant, they'll most likely have doubts as to their ability to be good parents, their financial security, and other considerations. Having (or not having) a baby is a stressful thing for everyone.

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[quote=MHG]If it were a rapist's baby, I would be so conflicted after having given birth that I'd have a really hard time with it emotionally. Loving the child because it's mine, but resenting it because it also belongs to a pervert.[/quote]

I sorta see what you mean there, but would the child really "belong" to the perv? I mean, that guy isn't involved with the child's upbringing in any way. The real parent is the one who raises the child.

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I sorta see what you mean there, but would the child really "belong" to the perv? I mean, that guy isn't involved with the child's upbringing in any way. The real parent is the one who raises the child.[/quote]
Yes, but the child is also a link to the memory of the rape, so it might even be hard to look at the baby.

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now if you look at things "sadistically" as many of my pro-choice friends do. A fetus is a parasite, feeding off of the mother untill it poops out screaming, human life is disguisting in this way. If in the case of incest or rape, i think it is a good idea to abort the baby if the mother cannot take care of it

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Some stunning numbers on abortion here

Pretty amazing when you think about the sheer numbers involved here... there are more abortions in China in 10 years than the entire living population of the US.

Honestly, I think if abortion becomes illegal, we will see a lot more of this: http://www.dailytrojan.com/media/paper679/news/2005/10/13/News/Usc-Student.Arrested.In.Infants.Death-1019653.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailytrojan.com

Granted, abortion was an option for this girl, but I really can't imagine how many women might become this desperate when the option is taken away from them

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They may even put themselves in danger to be rid of the child. Or worse, just plain kill themselves. I think a 16 year old's life is worth a little more than a two week old embreo's that not many people would be attachmed to.

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Well duh. Any country that limits a family to one child per house hold is going to have high abortion rates.

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Not only that, but China has a LOT more people than the US does.

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Exactly, when you look at the number of abortions PER CAPITA, by dividing the number of abortions by the population, China's abortion rate is a bit lower than that of the US (unless I did the math wrong, which is possible, cus I did the math late last night). I thought I'd posted that, but I don't see it, so apparently, I didn't..

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I am Pro-Life. If a woman becomes pregnant and she does not want to keep the baby, she should have the baby, then put it up for adoption, so infertile couples can raise a child. It's better for the common good of society rather than taking away the life of a potentially great person.

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Or potential crack baby born with no future...or serial killer...

Anyway, I think abortion should only be allowed before the baby can live by itself outside the womb. I think that's when life really begins.

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I completely agree with notstrongorbad on this one.
Personally, I think that it's up to the mother-to-be to make their own decision, but I guess I would say that ultimately, I am pro-abortion. However, as notstrong remarked, this doesn't mean I think that all foetus' should be burned or something of that nature. In fact, I'd say that abortion be a mere backup, if the situation that the mother is in is too drastic to raise a child.

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"Pro-choice" is the word you're looking for.

And so am I. I don't think it's right to have an abortion because you're careless, but if you have a chance of miscarriage, or are raped, then please get one. We don't need anymore abandoned children on doorsteps, thank you very much.

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I think I'm both pro-choice and pro-life. I would rather a woman have their child adopted, but abortion should be an option.

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That's how pretty much all pro-choice people feel.

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Sarcasm aside, the numbers are still horrifying.

The difficulty with the debate about abortion, IMO, is that for people like me, who are pro-choice, still want women to be able to have a legal abortion in cases where the mother's life is in danger or incest or rape or things like that. Women who have chosen to have sex without using birth control should not have the ability to opt out of the consequences of those actions.

But the sticky part is this: how to determine what cases of abortion are for legitimate (according to me) reasons, and which are not? Women can still claim they were raped or the victim of incest and it's not like the gov't can do an investigation to prove that this is true.

However, I still feel that making that the law would decrease the number of abortions used for birth control, which would be a good thing.

Aside: What would it take to get Jello B. and Amorican to edit their posts and make proper links so my browser doesn't get stretched by this thread?

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I could tiny url them, if they don't want to..
That ultra wide browser thing just looks bad.

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I am definetely pro-life. A woman should put it up for adoption as soon as it is born. That is all I have to say.

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