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I just wanna reply with my (probably) unconventional views: GOOD! Hey, I have a MySpace, and there's this little button that says "Block User", or something to that affect. If you're getting bothered by someone, just click that little button, and *poof* problem's gone. Don't hang yourself over this. Plus, she was 13! MySpace isn't gonna be the end of the world! "Ooohh, this random person is saying unkind things about me. I think I'll kill myself!" Doesn't really make a whole lot of sense when you talk it through. In my eyes, the only time suicide makes sense is when the person who wants to off themselves has a very painful, terminal illness that will eventually kill them anyway. Who gives a crap about what this one random dude is saying to you? There's probably gonna be at least 10 people who are gonna say the exact opposite.

Someone seriously needed to slap this girl and get all up in her face and say, "IGNORE IT! IT'S NOT GONNA RUIN YOUR LIFE FOREVER!" I mean, what, was someone 15 years in the future gonna say, "You know, you're lovely and all, but I just can't date you because this Bad word posted on MySpace that you had bad taste in clothes when you were 13."? Insane.

Being suicidal doesn't need to be justified by some awful thing like a terminal illness. It's called depression, man. It's serious.

Sure, it doesn't make sense sometimes, but you just can't get angry at people because they're unhappy. Sometimes, they can't help it.

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It's things like this that make me glad I don't have a internet.

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You are a horrible person.

This girl was clinically depressed. Jeez. Have a little sympathy.

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Yes, this story is sad, but she must have been struggling with other things in her life before this happened because just a girl on mysapce doing that to her couldn't be the only thing that caused her to commit suicide.

But its never happened to me before(and lets hope it doesn't to any of us)so I don't know her point of view of what happened.

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First off, it was a family doing it. But that is irrelevant.

Second, like I said, this girl suffered from clinical depression, which can be quite serious. It is definitely possible that other things were going on in her life and the hoax was just the straw that broke the camel's back, but I suspect that it was due to her mental illness. (I have received comments quite similar to the ones she got, and I was horribly torn up about it. Thankfully, I am nowhere near as severely depressed as she presumably was.)

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This Mandy speaks truth. And I know firsthand.

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I really hate people who say they're depressed, especially when they are whiny little rich girls who get everything they want.

Theres nothing in this world to be OH-SO DEPRESSED about to the point that you kill yourself.

The thought of suicide, IMHO, is the inability to think things through. Is your life so bad that killing yourself would be worth all of the emotional and physical trauma your family, friends and media hounds go through because of it?

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That's funny. I seem to remember you threatening to kill yourself last year, Cola. My, how far you've come that you can now sit in judgment of someone else!

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^This.

Although, to be fair, clinical depression is usually uncontrollable, at least to some extent. They pretty much have no choice over whether they are ailed by depression or not, sometimes.

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Yes, because once I realized that making life worse for everyone else was alot better than making my life seem like the worst, I owned up and said "Screw the man!"

Thus came Pink Floyd. I think... Might have been death metal.

Also, if I can't sit in judgment of someone else, why can you sit in judgment of me?

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Needs moar Zoloft.

Who said anything about judging? I'm just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy of your own post. Take it as you will. But frankly, I would have expected someone who has been there to show a little more compassion than, "I really hate people who say they're depressed."

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Clinical depression does lead to suicide sometimes, Cola. No way to get around it, and the whole MySpace thing shouldn't even be credited as a cause - the straw that broke the camel's back, as far as I can see.

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Ok ok, so she was clinically depressed. Then what the heck was she doing with a MySpace then? MySpace and their ilk are the types of web sites that should be avoided when you're depressed because of the fact that it's pretty dang easy for this kind of drama to get started on them. If you're depressed, cut back on the internet and get some help, dang it!



It was the same for me, just replace Pink Floyd with Bill Hicks. Yes, at one point I was depressed. But instead of offing myself, I decided to start getting ticked, and I also started creating a comedy shtick around how all these stupid jerks are invading humanity.

This is how I treat suicidal people: I say "Do it! Do it now!" Because in reality, when you give a suicidal person a gun or something, 99 times out of 100 that person will put the gun to his or her head, think for a minute, then go, "Wait a minute. I don't wanna die. I'm not sad about my life. I'm ticked off at these other peoples!" And then they'll put down the gun and go out and get a life. And that other 1 person is someone who should be gone anyway, if only to rid us of more emo drama.



Some people think that. Most other people I talk to happen to think that I'm right. Well, whatever floats your boat, I guess.

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1. Read Rule 6. Apparently, you haven't figured out that profanity is not permitted on this forum.

2. While I'm glad that you and Cola manage to overcome your problems, you're still not facing the reality: clinical depression is a killer. And quite frankly, I seriously doubt that you really understand it nearly as well as you think you do. Otherwise, I might think you would be able to show some compassion on someone suffering from it.

3. Do you have a doctorate in clinical psychology? What about any of those other people who agree with you? If not, then maybe, just maybe, your less-than-professional opinion isn't very convincing. And considering that you started your posting in this thread essentially rejoicing at the girl's death, I can't help but feel your opinion carries about as much weight as pocket lint. My advice to you: go back to your bridge and wait for the goats.

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Clinical depression is an excuse used to justify ones actions. Had my school not placed me in those stupid "Mental Disability" program, I'd have gone to jail for what happened last year. But because of my so-cal "Condition," they believed I couldn't control myself. Its because of this "Disability" that I can get away with almost anything in school.

All of these "diseases" like ADD, Asperges, Clinical Depression, ADHD, they're all just excuses doctors give to children who aren't in the considered realm of normality. But the question is, what is normal? Is it normal for a kid to lack a social life? No, its not, so they classify it as Asperges. Is it normal for a kid to not pay attention to things they don't want to listen to? No, so they classify it as ADD. What about the same thing, except the child has alot of energy and is always moving? Nope, ADHD right there.

These are all excuses just to get parents and teachers to be able to handle their kids. They aren't for the better of the children, they are for the better of the parent.

Do you?

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And that, Cola, shows that you know absolutely nothing on the subject. Try doing some reading sometime. Come back when you have some semblance of information to back up your claims.

Just because you're a first-class jerk who knows how to buck the system doesn't prove anything. Just because you find that you can hide behind false diagnoses of medical conditions does not prove that those conditions aren't real in other people. If anything, it only proves that you are a jerk.

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Yes, because calling someone a jerk in a debate clearly raises your credibility.

Second, all theese are are just veils of common things everyone goes through shrouded in words that psychiatrist use to tell parents that their kids are either dumb, bored with life, or show no interest in interacting with other kids.

Third, having a deficit in attention makes no sense. Saying that you have a deficit in attention is suggesting that you have a finite supply of it, and that theres some fixed amount of attention thats "Just Right" to have. That means that its not only possible to run out of attention but its also possible to have an overabundance of it, and yet, there is no such thing as attention overabundance disorder. ADD has no objective criteria for evaluating patients, no quantitative way to measure results, and a list of symptoms so vague that a newborn can be diagnosed with it.

Also, you're pretty much saying that the normal American family is a white Husband, Wife, and two kids; boy and a girl, the girls is into unicorns and pink, and the boy is into baseball and playing videogames; the wife knows her place and stays at home to do house work, and feed the kids, make dinner, and all that good stuff, and that the husband goes off to work, comes home at five in a business suit and hat, is greeted at the door by his loving wife and kids, while dinner has just be set down on the table, hot and fresh and awaiting his return, and everyone is happy and explains their problems to each other so that everyone may get along.

No, its not like that. Anyone, While people wish it was, all they can do is take their kids and self to the psychiatrist to get prescribed for pills that they don't even need, just to try and make them seem "Normal."

And one more thing, you don't need pills to cure depression. You just need to talk to someone, own up to yourself, and realize that you're only making yourself feel worse by letting it take a hold of you.[size=0]in b4 strawman[/size]

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I was referencing specific behavior which you yourself admitted to. Behavior which, I might add, is already a detriment to your own credibility. I am not saying you're a jerk for disagreeing with me; I'm saying you're a jerk because you act like one.


You didn't even read the article, did you? Once again, you prove you know nothing about the subject. Come back when you have information, Cola - that is, data to support your position - rather than just your rants about things for which you have no understanding.


Since when are we talking about ADD? I thought the topic of discussion was clinical depression?


Really? When did I say any of that? Frankly have no idea what you're talking about here.


If all this was your lame attempt to say, "All cases of odd behavior are not clinical problems," I'd agree with you. But there ARE cases of clinical problems, and your lame attempt to deny them without reference to facts just once again shows that you have no grasp of the problem at all.

Cola, I cited you an article on the subject. If you wish to counter, I'd suggest you do so with facts, not with rants and anecdotes. If you can't back up your position with data, then you might as well back down.

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Wait, is this argument about depression or suicide?

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So, OK. I feel bad for this girl, but I can't help thinking it's just as much her parents' fault as it is the other family. If you can't see the level of unhappiness and depression that your kid is having because of unhealthy online relationships, and you don't do anything to remedy the situation, this is the kind of thing that can happen.

So I feel sorry for her, but at the same time I wonder "How could someone possibly think that a 14-year old (fake) boy is worth killing yourself over? Not to sound heartless, but surely people who are depressed are still capable of reasoning and rational thought? How did it get to the point where this girl's situation overwhelmed her common sense?

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That's just it, though, John. You're thinking like a rational person in regard to the situation. But, if you'll read the article I cited above in my discussion with Cola, a person suffering from clinical depression is not as capable of making rational decisions as a normal person is. We are talking about a person whose brain is already not functioning properly.

Now, there was a time I thought as Cola and DaThnikka, that a person who suffered such depression just needed to get over it. But my time working with professional counselors and with Alzheimer's patients has taught me that this simply is not the case. A person whose brain is not functioning properly cannot be expected to make clear rational decisions. It's like expecting someone with a sprained ankle to make a 500 yard dash. And saying that they should be able to just because you can is like saying, "There's no such thing as a sprained ankle, because my ankle's not sprained."

And bear in mind: not all depression is clinical. One can have a healthy brain and still have bouts of depression, usually caused by one or more stresses in their life.

But I do concur that her parents should have paid closer attention to the warning signs.

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Ok, maybe I was going a little overboard with what I began posting here. I didn't mean to sound like I was rejoicing her death, I was just trying to say (in perhaps an overly aggressive manner) that there was a lot of things that could be done to prevent this. It's never a good thing when people die, especially when the person takes his or her own life. I'm still at a loss as to why this girl wasn't getting professional help.



This right here is the $64,000 question. Is anybody really "normal"? IMO, there's no such thing as "normal".



Well, there's clearly something wrong with the kid if he or she is bored with life or isn't interested in interacting with other people. Humans are by nature supposed to be social. Look at us, for instance. We happen to have an interest in Homestar Runner, so we seek out this forum and post on it so we can share that interest with other people. But when someone shows little or no interest in interacting with other people, then there's cause for concern.



Where do you get this impression? I'm not seeing this at all.



YES! Depression is a slippery slope. If you find yourself increasingly sad, then talk to someone that you can trust. If you start to feel sad, then you start to think, "nobody cares," and that makes you feel even more sad. Talking to someone that you can trust will go a long way towards making you feel better, and MySpace is, IMO, not the place for that.



Agreed 100% here. The teenage years are some of the years when a parent needs to be the most active in a child's life, even if the kid doesn't want that to be so. The parents need to be sure that the kid is safe, and I don't think that this was done in this case.



My line of thinking is that most people who suffer from depression do need to get over it. However, there will always be those people whose depression stems from something biological, like you said, and those people obviously can't just "get over it." But do we know for a fact that this girl's depression was biological in nature? Either way, she should have been getting help, instead of playing around on MySpace.

...I hate you.

Look. I suffer from ADHD and Asperger's, and I find what you just said to be unbelievably offensive. Do some frickin' RESEARCH.

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This may be the only time I totally disagree with Cola.

Is this happening?

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So, with Asperger Syndrom, I assume that you have difficulties interacting socially. Okay, good, what nerd-like kid doesn't these days? As for stereotypy, I've never met you IRL, so I don't know if you have any little continuous or repetitive movements or actions that you do everyday, so you have me there.

This is a quote from wikipedia about ADHD:
You know, I don't think I've ever met a kid that doesn't act like that, and I'm sure you haven't either. And if you have, its possibly their parents strictness when it comes to learning, that they disciplined their child for anything "out of line" at an early age.

Infact, the entire criteria listed as symptoms for ADHD are so VERY VAGUE that more than the accredited 5% of the worlds population could be diagnosed with it.

The point is, that I'm not convinced that these disorders are any more real than the boogy man or the easter bunny. Its just made up by a bunch of scientists and psychiatrists who tell parents that their kids aren't normal so that way they can charge hundreds of dollars to the parents insurance company for drugs like Ritalin and Strattera. Infact, on the Strattera website, it even says "The precise role that norepinephrine plays in the treatment of ADHD is not known." It could be a freakin placebo for all you know, and thats more than likely what it is.[size=0]in b4 more butthurt, drama, and the eventual loss of meaning for this thread, like the fact that this is a private matter between two families and that they are ruining their daughters name by putting it in the media.[/size]

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Yeah, that's really cool, Cola.

Too bad it has absofreakinglutely jack crap to do with depression.

Clinical depression =/= ADHD

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I quoted Mandy, you idiot, and her post was about ADHD, Not depression.

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