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I am an atheist. I see no reason at all to believe in any sort of God. But I'm not going to try to convince any of you. Because, the wonderful thing about atheism is that it doesn't matter if other people are Christian, or Jews, or Buddhists, or whatever, because they won't be punished for their beliefs! It's OK if they believe in whatever they want to believe, because when you die, a wonderful thing happens: YOU DIE!

One of the things I don't like about religion is their inability to grasp the idea that maybe if you die, you DO die, for forever and eternity. Admittedly, this isn't something I'd like to think about either, but really, it's kinda narrow-minded.

TOTPD!

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So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?

Well said. Very well said. I don't agree with you on the death thing, but well said.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

Hmm. Has anyone else noticed that this forum seems to attract Democrat atheists?

I bet if we looked at the percentages, those two classes would appear the most.

Bad luck for us Republican Christians...

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I said "practically". I meant to say that there's pretty much nothing left that God didn't cover that science doesn't.

(Oh, and Bush is lying when he says god is all that. Notice this is the guy who got jailed for drunk driving and whose wife was a cocaine dealer.)

I just have to say that evolution falsified Adam and Eve, that water turned wine probably was false, I seriously don't believe that a spring of water came out of the ground just to cure some girl's terminal illness, and for Pete's sake, bathing a guy does not make him see unless his eye is dehydrated or dirty! I know that's not everything, but I don't feel like typing tonight. I know that my arguement was probably very flawed, but I have to admit that the Bible has some glaring flaws, too.

I mean, magic is fun and all (I had a fanfic about it and I'm reading Potter V), but I honestly don't think it really exists. Even though I really like a good magician.

EDIT

Ok, my computer went down. And I finally had time to read the posts, and I must seems like a major jerkface. I just went on a little rant after somebody said it was "God's Will that all gays are destroyed!" or something like that on TV.

I'm not saying that all Republicans and all Catholics are bad, but I do say this:

It's very hard to believe otherwise when almost all Republicans in my town are Catholic and vice versa and go to that horrible school I described earlier (They asked me not to go, because they tried to shove down my throat that, because my current school has no religion class to guide the students, you can see blood on the walls after fights!) and they all think that if you're anything else, you're the son of Satan.

I'm not trying to convert anyone, but seriously, some Catholic Repblicans need to get a life!

I trust Science, and it never let me down (Except for the time I dropped a match in the toaster while it was on and nothing happened...), and God is corrupting society because the mere idea of him as made people do crazy things, like kill their gifted son!

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You better believe it.

You're still awesome.

*hugs Teff*


Errrrrr.




Um.



*runs away*

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So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?

Ooh, cheap and false shots at the Presidential family. That'll get you far.


Those're called "miracles", son. And they still happen today too, but not as glaringly obvious. I'd be willing to bet that almost 100% of "miraculous escapes" in which "no one was harmed" involve the hand of God in some way.

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Maybe evolution falsified them, but has anyone truth-ified evolution? We know you believe they are all false, but you don't have any evidence.

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Short term evolution has been scientifically proven. It is a fact, and I dare anyone to deny it because you just need to look at the dog or cat next to you for proof. It is the result of breeding, which is virtually identical to short term evolution. Call it what you want, but it is a form of evolution.

It's the long term stuff that is debateable... er... debutable... debunkable?

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I draw. Lots.

Actually, those were true.

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You better believe it.

How would short term evolution disprove Adam and Eve?

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Well, the whole adam and eve thing can kinda be disproved in the fact that, when you only have 2 people reproducing, the kids are gonna have to... uh... propogate among themselves... and that causes problems... just look at alabama. (jk, i like alabama its a good state nobody get offended pleez)

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I draw. Lots.

Because no other President could ever have done something stupid before they entered politics. That just not true.

When was his wife a cocaine dealer?!?

Toastpaint.

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I loathe the president and his policies, but I have to agree with Teff here. While Bush is a moron, there is no proof of those things. Yes, Bush was cited for drunken driving, but please don't make up crap about family members without concrete proof. It's called libel.

And I don't really appreciate your singling out of Catholics in your earlier post. I'm a Catholic Democrat, and I've never crammed my religion down anyone's throat, ever. We're not like that. I don't know where you live, but Catholics around here are more of the "live and let live" persuasion.

On to the toastpaint.

It boggles my mind that people who have barely gotten through puberty can make such huge life decisions about religion already. Einoo, ???-guy, no offense or anything, but this is probably just a phase you guys are going through. The same thing happened to me at 13 when my grandmother died after months of my praying for her recovery from cancer. I kind of figured God wasn't listening after that, but I looked at the big picture, and I realized that God was listening, but He had His own plan. I don't know if that makes sense to you, but it does to me.

[/inspirational, sort of sappiness]

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Jitka, even though you're a Democrat, you can be pretty dang cool sometimes.

**contemplates one of those friendly, manly type hugs, but leaves that nonsense for Fuhbuh instead**

Yeah. Listen to Jitaka, question mark question mark question mark.

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Somebody has been reading the George Bush talk page way to much. Darwin stated his Evolutionary theory about 70 years or so ago. His theory states that it would take millions of years for an animal to evolve to another species. I doubt that evoution will ever be proven true or not. If it does, none of us will be around to see it. I personally have a hard time believing that I came from a single cell. Obviously, some don't. Religion states that we were created by a higher being. And, the Bible has been proven in some cases. We have scientific proof that the Jews were enslaved in Egypt and were brought out. We have proof that there were twelve tribes of Israel. We have proved that many of the things in the Bible can be real.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

No, it's true. I actually read in an article that Laura Bush was a cocaine dealer. Just a messenger.

And I know that other presidents have done bad things. Washington owned slaves.

And a documentary said the thing about long-term evolution and stuff. There was no Adam, and Eve was black and a member of a tribe.

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You better believe it.

Somebody has been reading the George Bush talk page way to much. Darwin stated his Evolutionary theory about 70 years or so ago. His theory states that it would take millions of years for an animal to evolve to another species. I doubt that evoution will ever be proven true or not. If it does, none of us will be around to see it. I personally have a hard time believing that I came from a single cell. Obviously, some don't. Religion states that we were created by a higher being. And, the Bible has been proven in some cases. We have scientific proof that the Jews were enslaved in Egypt and were brought out by plagues. We even know which Pharoah it was. We have proof that there were twelve tribes of Israel. We have proved that many of the things in the Bible can be real.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

What do you mean, decided? I've never gone to church in my entire life and I never really cared much about religion, ever. It's not just Christianity, all religion has confused me. Science has not. Look, I say if it's good enough for Douglas Adams, it's good enough for me. (Man, that's a great excuse for ANYTHING.)

(I'm not trying to "convert" anyone either. Just saying. I guess.)

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So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?

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Now I KNOW you're just a kid. You do realize that everything on the Internet and TV isn't true, right? A "documentary" is no basis for your entire religious stature. And the term is "Jefferson owned slaves". Back in the days when everyone who could afford them, no matter how morally straight they were, did.

Yeah. Try some real proof next time.

EDIT: 'noo, sounds like you have a bad case of "my parents do it, and so should I". Wait a few years, and re-evaluate your beliefs. Religion isn't confusing at all, at least less than science.

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I read an article about how Stephen King shot John Lennon. Therefore, it is the truth, and I will support this theory unquestioningly until the day I die.

Come on, man. Use your head, please.

Einoo: I suppose if you've been raised atheist, you might be able to believe that at age 13, but the thing that bothers me is the people who've been raised Christian, want to do something cool and rebellious, and suddenly declare themselves to be atheists.

I have a friend like that. One week she was Catholic, then she became Jewish, then a pagan, then an atheist, then a Catholic again.

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By the way, Oonie, church isn't necessary for religion. I go, and I think it's a good thing to go, but you don't have to be at a sermon every Sunday to worship properly.

Just so's ya know.

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Her name wasn't Madonna, was it?

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

sweet mercy! i made a triumph! now im on to Step 9! appologizing for anything and everything........

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You trust science? Science is always changing. The speed of light was always thought to be constant, and now it's not, because of man's discoveries. If you ask me, science is only valid as far as man understands it. Something that is a law of nature today could be proven false in the next 50 years.
Sorry, but I don't like to stick with just science. Religion is jeeeest fine for me.

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That's what I've been telling you for a while now, Teff, but that's for another thread. Maybe we can resume those PM's.



No...

It'd be nice to have Madonna for a friend, though. She's rich.



Step Nine? What were the other steps, pray tell?

No, really, most of the things you write make me roll my eyes and chuckle a little, but that post was a good, solid response. Also, thanks for sigging me. That hasn't happened in a while.

Toastpaint.

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Science cannot disprove God, and God cannot disprove science. Anyone who tries to use one against the other is being silly.

I know I've said this before, but they're two different things, and it can't work when you try to mix them. God is based on faith, and science is based on fact. You can't use faith to disprove fact, and you can't use fact to disprove faith.

And not all of the bible is just myths and legends. I agree, it should be taken with an open minded attitude, but some of it should be taken literally. Always.

1 Corinthians 13; 4-10 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.It is not rude; it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fials, but where the are prophesies they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect will dissapear.

Take. it. literally.

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Those are stories, just like mythology. Contrary to popular belief, most pagans like me don't believe word for word in the stories, just the ideas behind them. Unfortunately, a lot more Christians don't get the concept of a good piece of fictional promotional work, but most seem to.

And you're only 13? I don't mean to be ageist, but being so dead set against something at your age probably isn't healthy. You have a whole life ahead of you.



That doesn't make sense. And on the contrary, science lets us down the whole time. We really understand so very little. And if God wasn't there to make people do crazy things, people would probably do them anyway, citing a different source.

Pff. I have a solid reason for everything I say in Religion & Politics. Though I admit what I think are based on my parents' teachings (both Republican Methodists), I've formulated beliefs of my own over the years.

So yeah.

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One thing I dislike about atheism is that people seem to think they're somehow stronger for accepting this.

There's actually a number of reasons why "nothing after you die" could be a physical(or even logical) impossibility.

Simply put, we don't know what an "Observer" is, what gives us our sentience. But it's not a huge leap to see that an observer is a "something", and classically in physics nothing can be created or destroyed at a basic level(of course, this means on some level you've existed since the beginning of time and don't remember it - after all, you don't remember much about being a baby, so it's not a huge step to think that this "Other worldly" experience may be incompatible with our current mental makeup).
Now, if you think about it for a second, it doesn't make sense that an observer can be "Made up" of other parts. The whole point is that it's the single point that things are seen through. Therefore, sentience; and perhaps even intelligence may be second nature to the universe; one of the basic building blocks.

So more than likely, something happens when you die, it's just pretty impossible to know what until we reach a higher state of being.

Since I reckon that in a few decades, spirituality will become more and more of a social stigma; people will never outright say it's wrong, just mock you and your reasoning, I doubt we'll be reaching that higher state of being any time soon.

Hey, I am a Christian Democrat.

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