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OK, good, because that's not what I was trying to do.

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Dag, yo.

Sarge, you're as much of a loud-mouthed blowhard as you claim O'Reilly to be. The difference is that he spins things to the right, and you to the left.

I don't know if I've ever met someone so conspiracy-driven and paranoid about American politics.... and the the kicker is that you're not even American.

The hatred you spew forth time after time is astounding. I suggest you spend more time worrying about your own government rather than obsessing about a country thousands of miles away. It would be more healthy.

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I just wanted to point out the irony in that statement--America feels the need (and the right, for some reason) to stomp all over other countries' governments and tell them how to run their own countries so frequently...maybe we should take some of that same advice?

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The meaning of life is 'bucket.'

FOR PONY!!!

If our own government would stop obsessing about countries thousands of miles away, maybe then the people in those countries could stop obsessing about our government. We run the world pretty much, and no one else has a say in that. They can't vote us out of power, all they can do is complain. So they will.

EDIT: PMG beat me to it! simulpost!

Define frequently.

And if that's the criteria, where are all the posts criticizing the UN? They essentially do the same thing.

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Maybe I'm just concerned as to why we still need to be stationed in 132 countries around the globe. What are we there for?

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The meaning of life is 'bucket.'

FOR PONY!!!

I'm not so sure that's so much to control other governments as it is to have an active force that is more quickly deployed to wherever we need it. Some of those troops are also where they are in order to support "Enduring Freedom" and "Iraqi Freedom" (not all of the Iraq stuff is handled from Iraq).
'I'm just sayin...'

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

I created a new thread for this discussion, StrongRad. You might want to move your response there and apply some toastpaint.

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So, let me see if I have this straight: You bash at me, call me names, and then tell me to shut up. And you have the gal to insinuate that anyone who'd not a in a particular country shouldn't be able to comment on what goes on in that country, and then the audacity to tell me to confine my interest to my own government (because, of course, your idea that people shouldn't comment on other people's countries doesn't apply to you.)
Here's a clue for you: Personal attacks only serve to make you look foolish and unworthy of respect.

Are you sure you're not really Bill O'Reiliy in disguise?

You assume that I hate Americans. How very nationalistic of you. But if you can remove the flag-wavers from in front of your eyes long enough to be objective about this for a moment, perhaps you can see that I'm not directing my comments at Americans in general, just a few specific Americans: The ones responsible for coning you down the path of war.

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Yes.



Nope. I made a suggestion that you cut down on speaking about a certain topic with a certain tone.

Far from telling you to "shut up".



No, I didn't.



Again, no I didn't.



True enough... which is why you are considered foolish and unworthy of respect by most forumers here. C'mon... a thread entitled "Bill O'Reilly is a moron"? Name-calling and a personal attack rolled into one... and that's just the title. I can produce more examples if you're interested.



No, but as I said before, you're more like him that you care to admit.



If you can find a single example of me saying that about you, I'll give you a quarter. Or whatever they use in your country.



Lol... I appreciate the patronizing tone.



I don't know what "coning" is. Maybe you can clear that up for me.

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I thought we were talking about Bill O'Reiliy.

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Dag, yo.

that's rich, coming from you


If you can find a single example of me saying that about you, I'll give you a quarter. Or whatever they use in your country.
[/quote] OK, dumbass: How abnout the oienwhere you said about me "The hatred you spew forth time after time is astounding" If you'll bother go and look at the context of the paragrpah that is was in you should be able to see how I could come to the conclusion that you think I hate americans. After all, you wrote it!


Lol... I appreciate the patronizing tone.
[/quote] Well, I'm glad you know how appreciate something.


I don't know what "coning" is. Maybe you can clear that up for me.[/quote]
Ok, now you're just being obstinate.

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I hope no one really expects me to respond to this confusing mess of a post Sarge had made. It's far too hard to decipher.

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Ok, I'm gonna wave in the water bombers before this fire gets ugly..

Sarge, watch the language.

Lahi, please don't make a post like "I hope you don't expect me to respond to a post like that".

Both of you, chill a little on the personal attacks.

Now, nobody look up.

*NYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEerrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmm!*

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Boy, glad that's not my house.
Never understood why people wound build a house so close to a forest that a forest fire could threaten it. I mean, ammo dumps and oil refineries are nice too look at but you wouldn't want to live next to one, would you?

OK, so we're totaly off topic now.
So, um... let's all start talking about if these are the end times or not. Because, of course, I'm sure we can all have a civilized mature conversation about that. :rolls eyes:
Look for my new poll, coming very soon... like as soon as I can make it.
Sarge out

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I can answer this question in 2 words: yes, yes he is

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Wow, It's been like three or 4 years since I've last been here

Or you could answer it in four words as well. Next time remember that.

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First we have to lose that old British mentality of "You're wrong, we're right and we're going to fix it, whether you want it or not." That would be a nice start.

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Are you referring to Iraq?

What examples can you give?

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He means that charging in assuming you know what's right for someone else is a Bad Idea. Nobody asked the Iraqi people what they wanted, but BushCo was more than happy to give them a war they didn't want. And when they stood up and said they really, really, really didn't want a war, they were promptly ignored.

USA: WAR! WAR! WAR!
Iraq: Please don't kill us.
USA: Nope. You're getting war.
Iraq: Why? We don't want another war.
USA: Sorry, we know what's best for you, trust us. Here comes your war. Prepare to welcome us as liberators.
Iraq: We hate you! You started a war with us!
USA: Hrm, how did this go so horribly wrong?

Is any of this ringing a bell? Come on, reach deep down the memory hole and examine what you find.

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Yep, that's us. I didn't like the war from the beginning, but hey, we got Saddam out.

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I remember people predicting that the Americans invasion of Iraq would destabailise the region. Well, that was an overgeneralization, but parts of that region certainly have stared to fall apart.
Still think getting rid of Saddam was such a great idea?

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That is so misinfomed that I don't even know where to start.
Are you not aware of the myriad trade arangement that the US finds to be favorable to itself and the rest of the words finds to be very unfair? For instance, the US and Canada have had a longstanding dispute over softwood lumber. This has been going on for more than two decades becasue every time an international panel rules against the US, the US IGNORES the internaional panel and continues to engage in illigal activities. Oh, and of all the times the International Panel has ruled, it;'s always ruled against the US. Essentialy, the US is using it's larger economy to beat up on and bully Canada's smaller economy, and it's not winning you guys any friends in Canada. The only reason (and I mean the ONLY reason) Canada is still in a trade arrangement with the US is that we have no choice. If we could split Canada off from North America and sail it to the EU, we would do it in a heartbeat.

The UN is a diplomatic organization by it's very ture. It reflects the consensus of it's member states.*
How is that "stomp all over other countries' governments and tell them how to run their own countries so frequently" is what you think the UN does?

When the UN goes in somewhere, it's either because there is no government where they're going and someone has to take charge before it degenerates into utter anarchy, or because consensus has lead to a considered decision.

You seem to have a problem with the UN telling the US what the world thinks of the US. Why don't you just put your hands over your ears and pretend nobody's talking to you. It would be so much less insulting.

*Don't believe me? Go read the UN charter and study how things actually get done at the UN. I don't have time to sit here and educate you about something so basic.

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Hey Sarge, is it ok if I can answer question asked to me? Would that be too much to ask?

Well like how we are trying to put Democracy into a country that has never had it, ad judging by reactions of late, doesn't want it. I am also referring to more nplaces than Iraq. Places like Vietnam and Korea. Two places we had no business going to, but did out of our paranoia of a mass Communist takeover.

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Those are good examples. The thing is, I personally believe in a doctrine of pre-emptions. I fully understand the dangers inherent in that and why there are many people who hate the idea... it's just that I'm not comfortable sitting within our borders while things go to pot in the rest of the world. If Japan had not bombed Pearl Harbor, would you have supported the US sending troops to Europe, Asia, Africa, and South America? I, for one, would have been against letting Germany and Japan take over the entire civilized world and then come against us.

I'm not saying the Communist thing was the same as the Axis, but I believe it dredged up similar fears in the United States back then.

And as much as our presence in Iraq is hated, how many terrorist attacks have we had on US soil in the past 5 years? Say what you want about Bush, but he's got to be doing something right.

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lahimatoa: Go look up the word "Spurious"

What you jut did is is called "Spurious Reasoning"
You supported and defended Bush's stated case for war, and you nicely parroted his Pearl Harbor analogy, but if you bother to actually examine either you'll see that neither justified a war with Iraq.
Where did the 9/11 hijackers come from? I'll tell you where they didn't come from: Iraq. So, how come you're in a war in Iraq if the people who attacked the US weren't Iraqi?

Your case for the success of Bush's anti-terror initiative is hardly borne out by the statistics:
>Number of acts of foreign terrorism on US soil before Sept. 11, 2001: 1 (WTC bombing)
>Number of acts of foreign terrorism on US soil after Sept 11, 2001: 0

So, exactly one more terrorist attack got through before 9/11 than after.

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First off, the US is not in a war with Iraq. The insurgents who are killing their own people do not represent Iraq. Get your facts straight.



And if I'd come to you on September 12th, 2001 and said that there would be ZERO terrorist attacks on US soil for the next five years, you would have said "Oh yeah, that's a given!"

I don't think so.

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Learn how to read. I didn't say "war with Iraq", I said, "war in Iraq." So I'll re-state the question for for you: Why did you invade Iraq if the hijackers didn't come from Iraq?

[/quote]There's no actual evidence to suggest that an event on the scale of 9/11 is likely to occur again, so It's probably true that I would have said there would be a low probability of attacks on US soil after 9/11. However, what I though or didn't think on Sept 12 2001 is nether here nor there. We're talking about Bill O'Reily here. What did he think?

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