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Theres no point in worrieing about these animals. If there was a high animal in the food chain they would eat us. Lions eat deers, cats eat mice. I'ts the way of nature and I think if nature does it, we should.

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I personally would not choose to go vegan or vegetarian. Humans are scientifically programmed to eat meat, and while it's possible to healthily live while being vegetarian or vegan, it's not necessary or entirely natural. We are omnivores. We can eat meat. And I do. NOT eating meat doesn't make a difference. The animals are still killed, and if we don't eat the meat, someone else will.

Being vegan just doesn't make any sense to me at all, assuming you want to save animals. The eggs we eat were never fertilized, so we're not stealing the lives of any innocent little cute baby chicks. The milk we drink is just milk, and it isn't harming the cow or her calves to take some, assuming we leave enough for the calf.

Hunting I consider to be entirely wrong. It is sick and twisted to kill an innocent animal for fun, when it causes nobody any benefit at all. If one must kill an animal, it should only be either for meat or to put a suffering animal out of its misery. ALWAYS.

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The only way this argument will ever truly end is when mankind develops methods to create food without destroying any sort of life, plant or animal.

However, it does sicken me when someone labels humans as barbaric for eating meat. I've seen this happen several times, PETA nonwithstanding. (PETA, by the way, jeez, they're insane. They support total animal liberation, as in, taking away your pets and completely walling off humans from all manner of creatures! They're like a vegan Michael Moore when it comes to finding ways to promote and back up their arguments! Heck, the combined body mass of PETA is probably comparable to Moore's ... ... *katamari damacy theme plays* )

I hope I'm not lighting up a stick of controversial dynamite, but I've heard people consider the idea that stem cells could be used to grow muscle tissue and the like. I would support development of "meat growing" facilities over slaughterhouses--even though my research into slaughterhouses shows that the animals don't suffer when they're killed. However, not all slaughterhouses are designed for the animals to live in comfort and (at least) without a stressful life before being nuked.

In comparison, what pain and suffering would there be for growing meat out of stem cells?

That kind of thing would probably allow for meat eating in far-flung space societies, I think. I bet the resources and space needed to build a "meat growing" facility as compared to a farm and slaughterhouse would be considerably smaller.

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You could always become like the Gorons and only eat rocks.

Like Rocky Road Ice Cream. MMM-mmm.

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You know that cows are constantly impregnated to keep them producing milk, right?

I'm not vegan and I do drink milk and eat cheese (which, by the way, contains cows' stomach linings) so I'm not trying to get you to change your opinion. Just wanted you to know that unless milk is totally organic, ie. you milk your own cows, then yes, it is harming them.

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I will never eat cheese again.

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Now THAT is one of the smartest things I've heard all day! And similar to that, stuffing an animal, like Moose/Dear as trophies, now that is just plain twisted. And on the meat ting, I've turned someone from vegan to human by convinving them to have a piece of prime-rib roast.

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I saw a thing on Food TV where a certain barbeque place actually did just that with brisket.

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I got my ex, who was a vegetarian, to eat buffalo wings and tuna.

Am I evil?

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No! You have achieved the ultimate in meaty goodness! POWER TO THE CARNIVORES!!

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No, you're my hero.

I like animals too, but c'mon. To claim animals have "rights" is ridiculous. I could go off on a rant about PETA, but I don't feel like it, so...yeah (plus it would be boring).

I hear the screams of the vegetables.
Carrot juice constitutes murder.

At least animals can run away or fight back. Plants can only sit there in total silence while they are murdered.

Well, all I know is this:

Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; and just as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. - Genesis 9:2

Hey, if God says I can eat meat, who am I to say He's wrong? That's my take on it.

Ultimately, I don't care whether you personally eat meat or not. It's your choice. Just don't go giving me some guilt trip because I like a nice hamburger sandwich.

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It's not like I can easily give up...the feelings...of needing her. - Sohma Hatsuharu

NOW I'm starting to like you

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That's one of the funniest things I ever read.

Its even better when you listen to it. Tool - Undertow (track 69-
Disgustipated)

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I hope most of you have heard of "Factory Farming." It is the horrible act where a good, wholesome farm is taken over and made into a huge usually metal building. Then the animals are put into cages, the cages not even big enough to turn around in. They spend their entire life there, until breeding season and sometimes a few minutes a day where they can well, breed and have a few moments of excersise. Then when the time is right they are unmercifilly slaughtered and sold off to stores where they sell meat. I can not stand for this, and have now been a dedicated veggitarian (no meat [including fish] or jello) for 9 years now. Even if the meat was harvested from a regular farm I can not support eating somthing where others of the same kind get to be "Factory Farmed," and I fight to end Factory Farming.
Veggie 4 Life!
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This my number one reason for not being a vegetarian:





Considering how many millions of animals are killed by wheat threshers each year when harvesting grain, you're absolutely right.

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DISCLAIMER: The preceding post was the opinions of Nate, and should be taken as his two cents. Actual exchange rate may vary by location, see stores for details, void where prohibited under penalty of torture.

It's not like I can easily give up...the feelings...of needing her. - Sohma Hatsuharu

Maddox wrote something about that. Here. And PETA's response (scroll down to the PETA thing).

You might want to add a language warning to that. And they both link to the same website.

Just one more reason to become a rock eater.

I think I'm gonna start a new organization: PETP (People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants)

EDIT: Crap, I'll need to think of a new name. There's already a People for the Ethical Treatment of People

EDIT 2: read this

Maybe I'll start PETAP: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and Plants, and we'll only eat rocks

That Maddox thing is hysterical. However, some people don't eat meat because of religious reasons or because they just don't like the taste (not everyone is trying to save the world.)

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I know. Where do you think I heard the info?

Yeah, I go to Maddox's site a lot. It was pretty funny how he took all the vegetarian's arguments and destroyed them.


Oh, yes, I know. ^^ I don't mind people who do it for religious reasons or health reasons (I have a friend giving up meat because he's trying to lose weight). I think that's admirable. It's just the people who tell me I'm a horrible person for eating meat because animals are cute fuzzy creatures.

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DISCLAIMER: The preceding post was the opinions of Nate, and should be taken as his two cents. Actual exchange rate may vary by location, see stores for details, void where prohibited under penalty of torture.

It's not like I can easily give up...the feelings...of needing her. - Sohma Hatsuharu

Second link fixorized.

And I don't give out language warnings. Everyone KNOWS it's in English. Wouldn't it be stupid if everyone had to tell people "BEWARE! This site contains ENGLISH/FRENCH/GERMAN/JAPANESE/PIG LATIN!". Realleh...

A visit to Maddox must be counter-balanced with Thilo's completely incoherent ramblings. Always.

Toast of paint!



Sooo..... I don't really mind the religious vegetarians (shock) as they won't ramble on and on and on about how meat is murder. The most extreme may simply say god is going to force me to watch Spongebob Squarepants for the rest of eternity, but then I take relief in knowing that one of the major religions in the world eat their own messias.

Now that I think of it..... that 'this bread is Jesus' thing is scary. And vegetarians haven't complained about that yet. O.O. I just gave them a new target *hides*

Ha ha! Back when I was a wee little Catholic schoolgirl, I was more freaked out by the thought of having to drink Christ's blood at communion. Eww...

But as a first post to this thread, I'll say that it's not actually necessary to eat meat at all, biologically speaking. Because back in caveman era, we only killed an animal if no other food is available - it's easier to get some berries off a bush than to chase after an antelope, after all. So when meat-eaters say that vegetarians aren't getting the right nutrients, it's not true - humans have evolved to get the nutrients they need from fruit and veg. But vegetarians have no right to sermonise to meat-eaters either.

I'm not strictly a vegetarian myself, though I do avoid meat as a healthier option - mostly because of the angel dust and anti-biotics and the like. The additives that they put in meat is now proven been linked to the MRSA supervirus. So that's best avoided.

Is this really necessary?

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Don't provoke a reaction.

Have you ever seen a wild cow? Probably not,. If we didn't raise cows and pigs and other animals that we eat, they might not even be alive today, or they could be overpopulated, therefore starving themselve, then the remaining reproducing again, and the system continues to repeat itself. That's not any better in my opinion. Now, a freind has showed me peta.org, and I've seen things there about animal cruelty, wich I beleive is wrong, and from some of the things I've seen, there's no reason to do it.

Now, to quote from about two months ago:



I disagree with the nutrition standpoint, you need a good mix of all different kinds of food to stay healthy. Even though vegetables are good for you and you need them, meat and protein is also good for you, as logn as you don't overdose on either.

In conclusion, I have nothing against eating animals, but treating them cruely is a whole different story..[

I just went to this site and was horrified and disgusted by what is going on. Seriously, now I'm planning on picketing outside KFC.

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Vegetarians always say stuff about animals being raised for slaughter and stuff like that, but I don't see them acting any differently. How is raising a vegetable in your garden any different than raising an animal in a slaughterhouse? Plants as well as animals are bred or genetically altered to make them bigger and better tasting. They are also both given stuff (food for animals, fertilizer and other stuff for plants) to make them grow bigger and taste better. Some people spray pesticides or use other methods to get rid of bugs on the plants, also killing the bugs in the process. (I know not everyone does this, but vegetarians also use the argument that even if we raise our own animals, some other ones are being treated crually.) Plants and animals are both killed and eaten in the prime of their lives. I suppose it's just because animals are cute and cuddly while plants aren't? Some people also say that plants can't feel pain. How would you know? Are you a plant? Would you like me to rip your fruit off of your limbs and eat it? I don't think so. The only real solution is for everyone to save both the animals and plants and start eating rocks. (Please note: I am not responsible for any incorrect information in the above post.)

Man, that was the longest post I ever made.

Plants and animals are different.

Plants don't have nerves. They CAN'T feel pain.

Anyway, animals can be given drugs for good reasons, such as curing disease. The animals that are factory farmed are given such excessive amounts of drugs (that are ONLY administered to accelerate their growth) that germs are produced, super germs that are immune to antibiotics, giving these animals diseases that cause them to suffer and die. The KFC chickens, for example, are tortured from the moment they're born, crammed into huge houses where they can't even turn around, wallowing in their own filth, being given drugs that make them unnaturally fat so that they have been known to collapse under their own weight. That causes broken bones and the inability to reach their own water supply, which causes them to die of thirst. After an extremely short amount of time after their birth, barely enough time to mature, the chickens are sent off to be slaughtered, unless they're being kept for breeding. it's a long journey, packed tightly together, ad they must suffer the entire time. They are then harshly dumped into the slaughterhouse where they are mechanically clamped and sent through shock baths of electrified water to stun them. Of course, it's rarely ever high enough voltage to even stun the chickens who go through it, and causes unnecessary pain, unless the chickens are panicking and flapping wildly to dodge the stun bath. Then factory workers slit their throats, but almost all of them are still conscious to feel the pain. A great many of these chickens live as well, and are finally scalded to death in the scalding-hot feather removal bath. If you think all of that is not inhumane, I encourage you to raise your hand.

All the information I have received in the past day has convinced me to go vegetarian.

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