What do I believe in?

Marshmallow Roast · **Posted:** Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:42 pm

1. What do you believe in?

A whole lot of things. I'm not entirely Christian. I started out Christian but I basically... turned it inside out, tacked a bunch of stuff onto it, and exploded it. I believe in God and Jesus but not the Bible. I don't believe in sin. I believe in ghosts and the power of the dead. I believe in nature spirits. I believe in Heaven and purgatory, but not Hell.

It's what I believe. It's not a specific religion. I think that if you believe something you shouldn't attach it to everything else you believe and call it a religion. You are what you are.

2. Why do you believe it?

Because it's what makes sense to me. It explains things that have happened to me. And it just feels right.

3. Do you believe it's true?

Yes.

That's a question I asked my friend once, actually. She's a very strict Muslim, and although she's not supposed to have a boyfriend, she has had one. I asked her if, since she had violated the rules of her religion, did she really believe she needed to follow them? I was surprised when she said yes. It doesn't make sense to me- a religion that restricts you from what you really want to do is one I wouldn't believe in.

4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond?

I wouldn't really care. I don't have proof that it's true, so I'd just be happy with my new knowledge.

Didymus · **Posted:** Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:49 pm

Parlod wrote:

Well I guess it comes down to what you believe the word "one" means. When you say they are one, you are saying they are of one substance. One being. When I say they are one, I say that they are one in purpose and of one mind. Just as you can say the people the Church, mine or yours, can be one. This does not mean that millions of people are really just one person. It means that they are one in purpose and intent, and of one mind. We can't prove each other wrong. This has been debated for hundreds of years. I'm just telling you what I believe and why, and I respect your beliefs. And if heresy means "not Lutheran" or "not Catholic" then I am a heretic.

It has nothing to do with the definition of "one." It has to do with what John 1:1 means when it says Jesus is both God and yet with God. It also has to do with whether or not Jesus had the right to claim to be YHWH, and whether or not YHWH is the Father. If Jesus is not YHWH, then he is a finite human being and a sinner, and his atoning sacrifice is worthless. If he is YHWH, then I can only conclude that the orthodox doctrine of the Holy Trinity is in fact true.

The problem, Parlod, is that, just as with most heretics, there is a false assumption that the nature of God is limited in the same way as the nature of humanity. This is why people have difficulty with accepting the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Nevertheless, this is the way in which God reveals himself: as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, yet one God, not three. The challenge then is whether you will accept God as he reveals himself in Scripture, or whether some human explanation is needed to cover up the parts that don't make sense to our finite human minds.

But here is yet another question: is God the Father Jesus' father, or is the Holy Spirit? Throughout his life, Jesus states that he is the Son of the Father, and yet the Scriptures say that it was the Holy Spirit that conceived him.

Coolio da Fabio · **Joined:** Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 10

1. What do you believe in?Roman Catholicism

2. Why do you believe it? It makes so much sense. It asks you to help, love, and care for others. What could be better goals in life?

3. Do you believe it's true? Of course I do

4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond? With a very loud wtf

Inverse Tiger · **Posted:** Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:01 pm

Marshmallow Roast wrote:

It doesn't make sense to me- a religion that restricts you from what you really want to do is one I wouldn't believe in.

Most religions have ideals that you're supposed to shoot for, with the assumption that you don't start out there. It seems weird to people who believe humans are fine as-is that people would think they need to deny themselves all this good stuff, but you know some things you want that would really be harmful to you, right? That's how people like your friend can both believe that ideally she wouldn't have a boyfriend and yet want to have a boyfriend and even have one at the same time. According to her religion, that's actually harmful in the end. She's just not ready to give that part up yet, but, ideally, someday, when she feels spiritually strong enough, maybe she will.

Parlod · **Posted:** Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:01 pm

Didymus wrote:

Parlod wrote:

Well I guess it comes down to what you believe the word "one" means. When you say they are one, you are saying they are of one substance. One being. When I say they are one, I say that they are one in purpose and of one mind. Just as you can say the people the Church, mine or yours, can be one. This does not mean that
millions of people are really just one person. It means that they are one in purpose and intent, and of one mind. We can't prove each other wrong. This has been debated for hundreds of years. I'm just telling you what I believe and why, and I respect your beliefs. And if heresy means "not Lutheran" or "not Catholic" then I am a heretic.

It has nothing to do with the definition of "one." It has to do with what John 1:1 means when it says Jesus is both God and yet with God. It also has to do with whether or not Jesus had the right to claim to be YHWH, and whether or not YHWH is the Father. If Jesus is not YHWH, then he is a finite human being and a sinner, and his atoning sacrifice is worthless. If he is YHWH, then I can only conclude that the orthodox doctrine of the Holy Trinity is in fact true.

The problem, Parlod, is that, just as with most heretics, there is a false assumption that the nature of God is limited in the same way as the nature of humanity. This is why people have difficulty with accepting the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Nevertheless, this is the way in which God reveals himself: as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, yet one God, not three. The challenge then is whether you will accept God as he reveals himself in Scripture, or whether some human explanation is needed to cover up the parts that don't make sense to our finite human minds.

But here is yet another question: is God the Father Jesus' father, or is the Holy Spirit? Throughout his life, Jesus states that he is the Son of the Father, and yet the Scriptures say that it was the Holy Spirit that conceived him.

Addressing 1:1-2. We read, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." In English, to say that Christ, the Word, was with God and was God could be understood in either the LDS sense (two beings perfectly united in one Godhead) or in the trinitarian sense (two persons in one Being) or arguably in other senses as well, such as Modalism (two manifestations of the same person). However, the Greek text helps us sort through these possibilities a little better. The first and third occurrence of the word "God" in these verses comes from Greek Ho Theos, meaning THE God, while the second occurrence is simply Theos, meaning God. The English translation could be rendered, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with The God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with The God." There is no suggestion that the Word and The God are the same Being. One divine being, Christ, was WITH another divine being, THE God. As LDS doctrine teaches, Christ is God, but is not the same Being as THE God, who is the Father.

Didymus · **Posted:** Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:04 pm

WRONG!

Gramm-Sharp Rule applies in this case. While the noun does not have a definite article, the context here does in fact make the noun Definite, not Indefinite (i.e., "God", not "a god"). The text here is not speaking of two different gods, but of one God. The problem is, the argument shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the definite article (or lack thereof) in Greek.

Or have you forgotten that I've taken several years of Koine Greek already?

Inverse Tiger · **Posted:** Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:08 pm

While it's true that "ho" in Greek doesn't always mean "the" (it could be "the" or mean nothing or even mean "his/her/its" in certain contexts), isn't it gonna be a little off-putting to people who just want to post what they believe if peeps are gonna get into arguments with them when they do? I don't think this is the place. Let's all back down.

Toastpaint.

Parlod · **Posted:** Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:45 pm

Inverse Tiger wrote:

While it's true that "ho" in Greek doesn't always mean "the" (it could be "the" or mean nothing or even mean "his/her/its" in certain contexts), isn't it gonna be a little off-putting to people who just want to post what they believe if peeps are gonna get into arguments with them when they do? I don't think this is the place. Let's all back down.

Toastpaint.

I'm just saying what I believe and why. I was going to post another argument to Didymus, but I guess I won't. This ain't the place. I'll PM him or something.

Inverse Tiger · **Posted:** Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:59 pm

Oh, it seemed like it was getting a bit heated. If it wasn't...

*scratches head*

Nevermind? :blush:

(It probably should get its own thread tho)

Parlod · **Posted:** Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:09 am

No you're fine. I wasn't getting heated, I don't think Didy was. But it could have easily appeared to be heated. And, like you say, it should have it's own thread. But right now I don't have the time to create a new thread, I've gotta sign off.
So paint that toast.

goldone · **Posted:** Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:14 pm

1. What do you believe in? I believe that their is no god.
2. Why do you believe it? I don't think that god makes sense.
3. Do you believe it's true? ...Yes.
4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond? I guess I'd just start believing in whatever is true.

DukeNuke · **Joined:** Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:11 pm **Posts:** 2713

1. What do you believe in?
I don't belive in any god.

2. Why do you believe it?
There are so many religions out there, and you can't prove any of them right or wrong. Take the Flying Spaghetti Monster for example; we know it was made up in 2005 by Bobby Henderson, however, there's no way on earth to prove it doesn't exist. It also shows how easy it is to make up 'evidence'.

3. Do you believe it's true?
As I said, it's impossible to prove that there is no god. However, I have never seen anything supernatural. I'm not going to belive in any god unless there's some good evidence that it exists. Read about Russell's teapot.

4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond?
If I saw a god, I would most likely:
1. Be suprised.
2. Fear I've gone insane.
3. If many other people could see it too, I would accept it.

Goatface · **Posted:** Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:21 pm

1. What do you believe in?
I believe in the existence of no gods or deities.

2. Why do you believe it?
I see no reason to believe in the other religions. In my opinion (strictly my opinion) all the major religions are kinda wacky, because the Bible is full of God killing people and making stupid tests of faith, the Torah is just part of the Bible, and to be honest I really don't know much about Islam.

3. Do you believe it's true?
I doubt it's actually possible to prove or disprove any religions, but I believe it is true.

4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond?
Assuming I'm wrong, I would take Hell, or any other forms of punishable afterlife, 'cuz that's all you pretty much see for atheism, and wholly regret my decision to not believe in anything. If somehow I got into one of the good afterlifes, then cool.

Droideka · **Posted:** Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:40 pm

Didymus wrote:

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Council of Nicea wrote:

I believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

There is only one true God, the one who made us and continues to care for us and sustain us, even when we fail to acknowledge him.

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And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of his Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made;

This one true God is both Father and Son, not two Gods, but one God, manifest in both of these persons, who bear the name YHWH Sabaoth, along with the Third Person, the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ lives and reigns with God the Father and the Holy Spirit, one God, forever.

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who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man,

This one true God took upon himself our human form and entered into his creation, specifically so he could reconcile his fallen creatures to himself by taking upon himself our human weakness. He is the Immanuel, God who is with us, God who is one of us, God who makes his dwelling among us, and God who is on our side.

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and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried,

This he accomplished by suffering the pain, the torment, the evil of all humanity. For the Christian, the problem of evil finds its solution in a God who was willing to take that evil into himself and bear it in death, suffering the consequences of our wrongdoing, and through this, offering us forgiveness and healing.

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and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father. And he will come again with glory to judge both the living and the dead, whose kingdom will have no end.

Yet this God did not remain dead. He is risen! Taking up his life again, he then reclaimed the heavenly glory that was his by right, and now from his heavenly throne, continues to watch over us, to hear our prayers, and to administer his mercy. Through his glorious resurrection, we, too, have access to eternal life in him.

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And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets.

Yet he has not abandoned us to be alone in this world, but has given us the promised Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Holy Trinity. God now dwells within us through Holy Baptism, through the ministry of the Word, through prayer, and through the Sacrament of Holy Communion. This Holy Spirit reveals to us the true God, our Lord Jesus Christ, and daily and richly forgives our sins, cleanses us from wrong, and strengthens us to live holy lives under God's caring provision.

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And I believe one holy Christian and apostolic Church.

We who are marked with Christ's name are one body. In him, we are a holy nation, a royal priesthood, a people chosen by God to proclaim his greatness here on earth. In this Christian Church, we hear the proclamation of God's Word and receive the ministration of his Sacraments, and through these, we are forgiven our sins and strengthened in faith.

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I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins,

In Holy Baptism, we are joined to Christ in his death and resurrection. In Holy Baptism, God writes his name upon us, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, marking us as his children, for whom he cares. Through Holy Baptism, we receive the promised gift of God's Spirit, who continues to strengthen us in faith, and enables us to bear fruit in Christ's name.

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and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.

By the love of God, and through the Word and the Sacraments, we have the promise of everlasting life. When Christ returns, he will raise us up from the dead, and we will rule over creation with him.

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Amen.

This word means "truth," and by speaking it, we declare, "This is most certainly true." Truth is not relative, but is factual. We Christians hold our faith to be fact, not myth or philosophical conjecture, for Jesus Christ is indeed the way, the truth, and the life.

2. I believe it because the Holy Spirit enlightened my mind and heart to hear God's Word. That's on one level. On the other, I believe it because history testifies that Jesus of Nazareth made some rather outlandish claims to deity, but then also demonstrated his claim by the life he led and the miracles he performed. While skeptics often present me with challenges to the historicity of the documents of his life, most of them appear to me very shallow and uncritical. For example, those who claim the Bible was written hundreds of years after Jesus' death, when we have manuscript evidence that indicates a much earlier date for them.

3. I believe it is factual. If I did not, I would have nothing to say on the subject. For this reason, I also believe that there are no other valid paths. If Jesus Christ was correct in saying that he is the way, the truth, and the life, and that no one comes unto God except by him, then what room is there for any other way, truth, or life?

4. As St. Paul says, if Jesus Christ is not raised from the dead, then we are all still dead in our transgressions. There would be no hope for any of us. Frankly, even if it were somehow proven untrue, I'd follow ol' Puddleglum from The Silver Chair; I'd continue to live as a free citizen of God's Kingdom, and conduct my life as if it really mattered.

Huh, me and Didy believe the same things. Lutherans!!!

The Experimental Film · **Posted:** Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:31 pm

I believe in seriousness.

And only seriousness.

Exhibit A · **Posted:** Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:36 pm

Teff, I don't care if you do this "Serious Inc." stuff, but this is actually supposed to be a serious discussion, so if you don't mind, take it somewhere else.

MooKoo · **Posted:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:39 am

Exhibit A wrote:

Teff, I don't care if you do this "Serious Inc." stuff, but this is actually supposed to be a serious discussion, so if you don't mind, take it somewhere else.

Oooh, hooo, hoo, hooooo! Nice one! LMBO

Okay now, PAINTING THE TOAST

Dark Grapefruit · **Posted:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:49 pm

Hmm, looks like I have never weighed in on this topic!

What do you believe? I believe in almost nothing. That is to say, there is almost no idea in the universe that I take on faith. I do not believe in the existence of any god, but I do not believe conclusively that no god exists. However, there are certain conceptions of the divine that I am certain cannot exist because they form a logical impossibility. I also believe that the existence of a god is probably unnecessary for life to develop. This is why I refer to myself as an agnostic atheist.

Why do you believe it? I have never seen any direct evidence that any god exists, or any evidence that none exists (for the latter would be impossible to prove). Therefore, the most logical stance is one of agnosticism. I have read many logical arguments both for and against the existence of a god, and I find the arguments against more convincing.

Do you believe it is true? I believe, as Hume said, that nothing learned by experience can ever be known with 100% certainty. However, there are thing we can observe enough times to calculate a very high probability that it will happen, high enough that we can accept it as a near certainty. But since my stance is based on a lack of evidence, no, I am not certain it is true. It seems to make more logical sense, though.

What if you found out you were wrong? Then I'd have to re-evaluate every argument I've ever read and made. That could take a lifetime. But if the evidence for a god became high enough, I would accept it as true. I might not like it, but I'd accept it.

edit: also I wish people would stop quoting the entire Nicene Creed.

Amorican · **Joined:** Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:24 am **Posts:** 132

What do you believe? I cannot put my beliefs in a God when I have no way of knowing if he is actually there. But I tend to believe there is nothing there. Agnostic leaning towards Atheism, I suppose..

Why do you believe it? My mother is Catholic and sent me to Sunday School (CCD), and my dad doesn't care about religion. From things he has said I assume he's agnostic, but he probably doesn't care enough to even label it. I just went along with all the Catholic stuff because I thought I was supposed to. By the time Confirmation came around, I was just going through the motions to keep my mother's side of the family happy. But I never found any sort of connection to this God they kept telling me about. I just never cared. I guess I'm a lot like my dad. I still do the church thing when visiting grandparents and stuff, but I have no faith to go along with it. But there is no use in making family mad at me when I like them a lot. None of them know my true religious "beliefs." What was the question again? Oh, why do I believe it? I don't know. Maybe my brain was just wired in a way so that religious belief does not compute.

Do you believe it is true? Isn't that just a repeat of question 1? I guess I just don't believe.

What if you found out you were wrong? If that means it is proven to me that God exists, then I would have no choice but to believe. If God opened up the sky and revealed himself to me/us, I'd get behind it.

In fact, he better open up the sky and tell us what's what, otherwise we are going to destroy ourselves over our different "beliefs." I think that's one of the reasons I don't believe in God. Every group says their beliefs are the correct beliefs. As an outsider to religious belief, there are just so many different beliefs, how in the heck can I be expected to choose correctly?
If God was perfect, he would have given the same rulebook to everybody, and not just one group of people in the hopes that they will spread it to the rest. You don't tell just the quarterbacks how to play football, then have them teach the rest of the players how to play after the game has already begun, especially when those other players all want to play the game their own way because that's how they believe it is to be played.

Mr. Sir · **Joined:** Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:30 pm **Posts:** 17

1. I'm agnostic, because there is no proof that God exists. How do we even know this is real?

2. My dad is Flanders-level Christian, and if he found out, he'd go crazy.

3. How is it possible to know?

4. If I saw complete 100% proof, then I'd believe.

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:47 am

Mr. Sir wrote:

1. I'm agnostic, because there is no proof that God exists.

There is also no proof that he doesn't exist, either.

Dewy · **Posted:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:25 am

Beyond the Grave wrote:

Mr. Sir wrote:

1. I'm agnostic, because there is no proof that God exists.

There is also no proof that he doesn't exist, either.

People always say that, and its weird because it really doesn't seem to make sense. There is no proof that something does NOT exist. It just comes out weird...anywho, just needed to get that out of the way and I hereby toastpaint myself.

Shippinator Mandy · **Posted:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:05 am

1. Well, I could loosely be defined as Christian--Episcopalian, if you wanna get specific. However, I guess you could say it's..."customized" isn't QUITE the right word, but it's the closest I can think of. Like Myrrh, I don't really believe in Hell--God is all-forgiving, so in the end, I do not believe He'd condemn people to eternal torment. That would just be terrible. And so...not Him. I also view God as being genderless, but since "he" is (or was, at least) the gender-neutral pronoun in English, we refer to Him as being male. (English = screwy language.) Also like Myrrh, I believe in God and Jesus and everything, but a lot of the Bible just seems wrong to me. Too contradictory. So I guess you could say I'm somewhere between Christian and deist.

2. Life experience. I've experienced small miracles, for example. It also just seems relatively logical and sensible to me.

3. Um, duh.

4. ...Switch to whatever WAS true. O_o What else?

Mike D · **Posted:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:45 am

Beyond the Grave wrote:

There is also no proof that he doesn't exist, either.

In no way does that undermine anyone's agnosticism, however.

Mike

ready for prime time · **Posted:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:49 am

the only way to find out is to die, but then you'd be dead, which sucks.

PianoManGidley · **Posted:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:47 pm

ready for prime time wrote:

the only way to find out is to die, but then you'd be dead, which sucks.

Death ain't so bad.

Ju Ju Master · **Joined:** Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:01 am **Posts:** 6245

Mr. Sir wrote:

2. My dad is Flanders-level Christian, and if he found out, he'd go crazy.

So, you believe in it because it will tick off your dad? That doesn't sound very much like you actually believe in it.

Didymus · **Posted:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:50 pm

Mandy wrote:

I don't really believe in Hell--God is all-forgiving, so in the end, I do not believe He'd condemn people to eternal torment.

The only problem is that it presents and entirely one-sided view of God and completely ignores God's absolute justice. I have no doubt that God is entirely merciful and forgiving, but he also says that, "Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins." This is why Christ was born a man, and why he suffered and died: to grant us that forgiveness. That being the case, then how can a person be forgiven without that sacrifice? Better still, why would God forgive someone who repudiated this act of self-sacrifice? No, the God of Scripture is one who does fight to protect those he loves, but it also means he fights against those who are their enemies. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that Jesus would speak of hell as often as he did if it were not a real place.

Besides, I have a tendency to think as Lewis does, that hell is man's fault. God only condemns a person to hell when they consistently refuse to have anything to do with him. Ask yourself this: do you honestly think that someone who constantly rejected God and defied him in life would simply change their mind and embrace him after death? Like Lewis, I tend to think that God just allows such people to go away; he leaves them to themselves, and in their fallen state, in which they have completely rejected the only remedy available to them, they create hell for themselves.

Christ made such a sacrifice, paid such a terrible price, so that we can have that forgiveness. It saddens me that people make so light of his pain and suffering by saying we can have God's forgiveness without it.

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I also view God as being genderless, but since "he" is (or was, at least) the gender-neutral pronoun in English, we refer to Him as being male.

I'd say that God in his essence is without what we call gender, being male and female (that is, in a biological sense), but like Lewis in Perelandra, I tend to think that there's a very real sense in which he has real gender, gender that transcends mere biology.

But I think the Incarnation solidifies it. If Christ is indeed God Incarnate, then what else could we call God but "he"?

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but a lot of the Bible just seems wrong to me. Too contradictory. So I guess you could say I'm somewhere between Christian and deist.

As both Ed and I pointed out, nearly all the so-called "contradictions" can be cleared up with just a little familiarity with the texts. Again, I hate to sound like I'm picking on Ju, but his question a few days ago I feel demonstrates this point: what he presented as contradiction really was not. You know, we do have a thread for this very subject, and I do not recall you posting there very often. If these "contradictions" seem so much, then why not ask about some of them?

Didymus · **Posted:** Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:55 pm

Beyond the Grave wrote:

Mr. Sir wrote:

1. I'm agnostic, because there is no proof that God exists.

There is also no proof that he doesn't exist, either.

That, Mr. Sir, depends on what you mean by "proof." Some of us, including myself, would consider Jesus' resurrection to be plenty proof enough. While on the other hand, some people do not find this satisfactory and spend their time attempting to offer alternate explanations (many of them just as unlikely as the resurrection itself).

DukeNuke · **Joined:** Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:11 pm **Posts:** 2713

When someone say "You can't prove that god does not exist.", you can say that they can't prove their god is the only god. There could be an even greater god that the "lesser" god cannot detect.

Because of that, I don't think it is possible even for a god to be all-knowing or all-powerfull, since there's no limmit where you can be 100% certain and say "There's nothing outside my scope of knowledge. I know all.", or "I am the most powerfull being, and I can do anything. And I'll never, ever lose my power.".

And I don't really understand what all-loving is supposed to mean. Like, loves everything? Doesn't really look like it in the bible, tough.

Besides, even if there is a god, and the bible is his word, we can't know if he's telling the truth. What if he lied, and spent the last 2000 years laughing at us?

If I came face to face with a god, and it told me it was all-knowing and all-powerfull, I might ask it "How do you know you're all-knowing? Would you be able to tell if you were all-powerfull or not? How can you prove that there's definetly, absolutely, nothing at all, whatsoever, that is more powerfull than you and/or that you do not have any knowledge of?"

You simply can't prove a negative. Not even god would be able to.

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