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ABP'd. Still some good potential for discussion in that thread.

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ABP'd. Still some good potential for discussion in that thread.

Its the same thread, dude.

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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
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ABP'd. Still some good potential for discussion in that thread.

Its the same thread, dude.


It's been merged, dude.


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Off the subject of merged topics, I tend to agree with what BTG said on the last page. Sure, some games out there glorify sex and violence, but so do movies. Are we going to be banning Hollywood?

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Off the subject of merged topics, I tend to agree with what BTG said on the last page. Sure, some games out there glorify sex and violence, but so do movies. Are we going to be banning Hollywood?

Someone feel free to throw a penalty for "Slippery Slope" on me if you want, but if it starts with games, Ramrod, it IS logical to think that it' could eventually progress to movies.

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You know, "300" makes me want to take 299 of my friends and take on 250,000 Persians.

And after watching "Fantasia", I'd might as well steal my master's magic hat and control a broom. :p

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Off the subject of merged topics, I tend to agree with what BTG said on the last page. Sure, some games out there glorify sex and violence, but so do movies. Are we going to be banning Hollywood?
Of course not! Everyone needs sex to survive! Everyone also needs violence to survive! Why? Because without violence, Hippies and politicians cannot exist! and if they don't exist, than there is no one for the average proletariat to hate! Because we have sex and violence in the media means that the idiots like Thomson, who believe that images depicted in said media can have an effect on the average person, thrive and can thus be hated by us. People like him only exist so they can be hated. Seriously, what one thing has this guy been successful at other than getting a degree in law?

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Seriously, what one thing has this guy been successful at other than getting a degree in law?


That's success? ;)


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Seriously, what one thing has this guy been successful at other than getting a degree in law?


That's success? ;)


Hey, ya know, one of my pledge brothers is now a grad student at Harvard Law, so yeah, I'd say it's a challenge. Even sans the Ivy League college (as I have no idea where Mr. Thompson studied), bar exams are typically quite difficult to pass...and that's an understatement.

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It's also really really difficult to make sand by pounding a rock with your fist, but are you a successful person if you manage to do so? You do "succeed" at the task in a literal sense, but then I also "succeed" in eating every day. So the difficulty of the task is meaningless, as is the idea of success at a task. :p

Anyway, I was only kidding. ;)

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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
Everyone needs sex to survive! Everyone also needs violence to survive!


That is one of the stupidest things I ever read. No offense.


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Everyone needs sex to survive! Everyone also needs violence to survive!


That is one of the stupidest things I ever read. No offense.


Well, the first part is true, at least--our species needs sex as our means of reproduction for the species to continue its survival. Though I'm pretty sure COLA was writing that very much with tongue-in-cheek.

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Everyone needs sex to survive! Everyone also needs violence to survive!


That is one of the stupidest things I ever read. No offense.


Well, the first part is true, at least--our species needs sex as our means of reproduction for the species to continue its survival. Though I'm pretty sure COLA was writing that very much with tongue-in-cheek.


Oh yeah, forgot about the reproduction thing... But I can't see how we need violence to survive.


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Pffft, this was only bumped because of MY recent thread about him. :P


Anyway, hes a total DB.


Just ONE of the reasons his so stupid is the way he presents his facts! He acts like he's a saint, but makes inflammatory statements and a few times has used people's names in his "letters" that supposedly agree with him (which doesn't make any sense in the first place, someone actually agreeing with that idiot) but the people used in his letters hate him as much as everyone else!

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MonkeyShoe wrote:
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Everyone needs sex to survive! Everyone also needs violence to survive!


That is one of the stupidest things I ever read. No offense.


Well, the first part is true, at least--our species needs sex as our means of reproduction for the species to continue its survival. Though I'm pretty sure COLA was writing that very much with tongue-in-cheek.


Oh yeah, forgot about the reproduction thing... But I can't see how we need violence to survive.
We need Violence. If we don't have violence, than anyone, anywhere, can do anything they want because noone will be there to exact violence or revenge upon them. Without violence, I can go and steal your Girlfriend, and you can't do anything about it because violence is outlawed, or you never saw violence at all. Because of that, you can't come over here and beat my head in or anything that would send me a message "Hey, don't touch my chick."
Without violence, we loose one of our most primal instincts. Humans are naturally violent. When someone does something we don't like, our basic instinct is to do something they don't like back to them. Of course, there are people that do somehow bypass this instinct, and are naturally nice, even when hurt. People do need violence, because it teaches them how not to act when someone does something bad to them. Without violence, people like Jack Thompson or Osama Bin Laden wouldn't exist. It would be a very boring world, but at least people wouldn't die of bullet wounds or anything...Right?

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LOL, Cola!

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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
MonkeyShoe wrote:
PianoManGidley wrote:
MonkeyShoe wrote:
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Everyone needs sex to survive! Everyone also needs violence to survive!


That is one of the stupidest things I ever read. No offense.


Well, the first part is true, at least--our species needs sex as our means of reproduction for the species to continue its survival. Though I'm pretty sure COLA was writing that very much with tongue-in-cheek.


Oh yeah, forgot about the reproduction thing... But I can't see how we need violence to survive.
We need Violence. If we don't have violence, than anyone, anywhere, can do anything they want because noone will be there to exact violence or revenge upon them. Without violence, I can go and steal your Girlfriend, and you can't do anything about it because violence is outlawed, or you never saw violence at all. Because of that, you can't come over here and beat my head in or anything that would send me a message "Hey, don't touch my chick."
Without violence, we loose one of our most primal instincts. Humans are naturally violent. When someone does something we don't like, our basic instinct is to do something they don't like back to them. Of course, there are people that do somehow bypass this instinct, and are naturally nice, even when hurt. People do need violence, because it teaches them how not to act when someone does something bad to them. Without violence, people like Jack Thompson or Osama Bin Laden wouldn't exist. It would be a very boring world, but at least people wouldn't die of bullet wounds or anything...Right?


You make a good point, but I'm against wars and all that, and I think that violence doesn't really help the peace process the world's at least pretending to try and do.


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As much as I loathe Jack Thompson, I don't want him to go away. If he does, someone will inevitably pop up to fill the vacuum—and, unlike Thompson, they may be smart.

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As much as I loathe Jack Thompson, I don't want him to go away. If he does, someone will inevitably pop up to fill the vacuum—and, unlike Thompson, they may be smart.
Exactly.

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Or that person might pop up while Thompson is still around, making the situation even worse. Heck, he (she?) might show up exactly because Jack Thompson is so laughably incompetent.

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He never puts up good and truthful arguements, and he never looks up the video game he complains about. All he does is lie to people who never play video games and they naturally assume that his claims are correct. He also uses insults a lot. One Judge thought he was pushing the limit of how a lawyer should act in the Court. Books and movies should be considered worse because they supply real and understandable reasons for the violence .

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He never puts up good and truthful arguements, and he never looks up the video game he complains about. All he does is lie to people who never play video games and they naturally assume that his claims are correct. He also uses insults a lot. One Judge thought he was pushing the limit of how a lawyer should act in the Court. Books and movies should be considered worse because they supply real and understandable reasons for the violence .

You know, Video-games are in the exact same medium as Books and movies. They are no longer a child's game, they are a form of art.

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Heck, he (she?) might show up exactly because Jack Thompson is so laughably incompetent.

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Conspiracy theory time... Is it possible that Thompson is a pro-game advocate that's using his "incompetence" to make the cause he claims to support look like a bunch of losers, kinda like Ann Coulter?

Yeah, probably not.

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Another new thing:

He's being counter-sued by those people, not Rockstar, who make GTA games, for public nuisance. Boo-ya!

Another:

He's sued Midway for the new Mortal Kombat for puttng him in the game. No, he is not in the game. There is a create a person option, and there are pictures online of "him" that people created.


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He's being counter-sued by those people, not Rockstar, who make GTA games, for public nuisance. Boo-ya!
Take-Two?
And second, they can't sue him for being a public nuisance or just stating his bull and having children who don't know anything picket their office, because protest is legal. What they can sue him for is Slander. He's been saying bad things about them, in word and spoken verse, and has constantly had to make BS up just to get back-up from a bunch of Christian fundamentalists.

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Did he sell eggs? wrote:
He's sued Midway for the new Mortal Kombat for puttng him in the game. No, he is not in the game. There is a create a person option, and there are pictures online of "him" that people created.


No, he just sent a cease-and-desist letter. Naturally, Midway ignored it.

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He's sued Midway for the new Mortal Kombat for puttng him in the game. No, he is not in the game. There is a create a person option, and there are pictures online of "him" that people created.


No, he just sent a cease-and-desist letter. Naturally, Midway ignored it.

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Ah, sorry. My bad.

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I found an interesting bit of scientific evidence that may lead to the probability that Mr. Thompson isn't just blowing a lot of smoke. It revolves around mirror neurons, as presented by Marco Iacoboni, a neuroscientist and director of the Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation Laboratory at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA. Quoting from the book "What Is Your Dangerous Idea: Today's Leading Thinkers on the Unthinkable" from Iacoboni's essay entitled "The Problem With Super Mirrors":

Marco Iacoboni wrote:
Mirror neurons are cells located in the premotor cortex, the part of the brain relevant to the planning, selection, and execution of actions. In the ventral sector of the premotor cortex, there are cells that fire in relation to specific goal-related motor acts, such as grasping, holding, and bringing to the mouth. Surprisingly, a subset of these cells--what we call mirror neurons--also fire when we observe somebody else performing the same action. The behavior of these cells seems to suggest that the observer is looking at his or her own actions reflected in a mirror while watching somebody else's actions. My group has shown, in several studies, that human mirror neuron areas are also critical to imitation. There is evidence that the activation of this neural system is fairly automatic, thus suggesting that it may bypass conscious mediation. Moreover, mirror neurons also code the intention associated with the observed actions, even though there is not a one-to-one mapping between actions and intentions. (I can grasp a cup because I want to drink or because I want to put it in the dishwasher.) This suggests that the system can indeed code sequences of action (that is, what happens after I grasp the cup), even though only one action in the sequence has been observed.

Some years ago, when we still were a very small group of neuroscientists studying mirror neurons and just starting to investigate the role of mirror neurons in intention understanding, we discussed the possibility of super-mirror neurons. After all, if you have such a powerful neural system in your brain, you also want to have some control or modulatory neural mechanisms. We now have preliminary evidence suggesting that some prefrontal areas have super mirrors.

I think super mirrors come in at least two flavors. One is inhibition of overt mirroring and the other--the one that might explain why we imitate violent behavior, which requires a fairly complex sequence of motor acts--is mirroring of sequences of motor actions. Super-mirror mechanisms may provide a fairly detailed explanation for imitative violence that arises after exposure to media violence.

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Seriously, what one thing has this guy been successful at other than getting a degree in law?


That's success? ;)


(as I have no idea where Mr. Thompson studied),
A brothel, probly. :p

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