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I think God was the only thing capable of just existing, and even though that's illogical, he created logic (since he has infinite power), so I've always found that somewhat plausable, so even though neither 'the universe just exists' nor 'God just exists' are logical, the second one doesn't need to be because it involves supernaturality.

Anyways, I also think that removing a variable doesn't necessarily make something more plausable or more likely, partly because it depends so much on the wording and language used. I mean, suppose I said:
A bunch of creatures evolved from one creature. That one creature just randomly formed.
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A bunch of creatures just randomly formed.

But that doesn't make evolution less realistic.

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But it seems like an unnecessary step. Why walk in an S when you can walk straight to where you're going? It's obviously not impossible that God always existed and later created the Universe, but a simpler, and therefore, until more information is found, more plausible answer is that the universe simply always existed.

Flawed logic. The universe is not a box inside of a universe.

Also, if you reference Futurama, I'm going to kill you.

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No, that's not what he meant. He meant that something finite can't exist without something existing outside of it. Hard to explain.

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Still not true.

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I don't really get what Atheists believe in...

Nothing? I mean we all know something/someone created us.

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Uh.... No.

The only thing I can think of that might make that true is that it could be argued that a finite entity can only be defined as such if there is something outside of it. I don't know about that, though..

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Uhhh... but, no. Not everyone does. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.

Atheism is simply the belief that we were not created by some "higher being". That doesn't seem all too hard to believe. (By which I mean it doesn't seem too hard to understand that some would believe it. Not necessarily that it's the "right" thing to believe)

No, we worship science.

Yes, but most Athiests beleive in scientific theories concerning the creation of the universe, not a belief in a supernatural power or powers.
I don't believe in anything concerning the creation of the universe, it just... Happened

Oh like we were evolved from monkeys or something?

Yeh thanks i get it now.

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Uh.... No.

*kill*

If we all knew something created us, WE WOULD ALL BE RELIGIOUS. Hey, guess what? I'm not religious.

*dies of ignorance*


NO NO NO. All atheism means is that you don't believe in a higher power! That's completely separate! An atheist could think we evolved from crabs and still be an atheist.

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Ok ok ok...


I went a bit over on that one.

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Uh.... No.

Ya know, I just love it when there are three other things posted when I make a slight edit to my post.
Eh.

This statement bothers me a lot. It implies that atheists are mentally superior to theists. This is simply not true. No matter what some people will tell you, Christians (or other theists) do not hate science. Science and religion are not at odds.

I also put faith in science, and use it to explain the things it explains. There are some things, however that science does not explain.

Random thought: Are there any atheists that don't believe in evolution? By not believing in evolution, I mean are there any atheists that think that the species that have existed all appeared the way they are?

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

OHH MY SCIENCE!

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Agreed.

Thiests just don't believe in the EVOLUTIONARY chain (Most of them anyways). Not science, we belive in cells, genetics, chemistry, etc.



I don't really think most athiests care how we were created. (Not to offend anyone , i was athiest in my younger years).

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Uh.... No.

Truthfully, I believe in evolution (to a certain extent). I mean, there's proof of evolution in the human species (people are taller than they used to be, etc..).
As for the whole "one cell turned into two cells which turned into more which turned into something else" idea, I'm actually pretty apathetic.
Who's to say that evolution isn't the tool God used? It doesn't actually matter to my faith one way or the other.


but enough about my faith..
*turns thread over to the atheists*

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Well i guess, except The Bible says nothing about evolution, it says God created Adam and Eve who reproduced who reproduced x 100000 to make all of us.

I've never read any other holy books but i'm pretty sure most other modern religions do not believe in evolution either.

Just an opinion.

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Uh.... No.

Atheist != apathetic.

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Is it just me, or does Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all sound the same?

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It's so painfully just you.

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Killing people isn't nice.


I used to be athiest.
Then I was introduced to Christ.
And now I'm Lutheran.

*headdesk* THAT IS NOT WHAT DARWIN SAID. He said that humans and apes shared a COMMON ANCESTOR. Big difference, people. Do your research.



1. *headdesk* Ever look at the scientific proof? There's overwhelming evidence for evolution. You need to look at sources OTHER than the Bible, Tian...
2. As far as I know, no religion that I can think of explicitly states that one cannot believe in evolution.

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If he chooses to believe what the bible says, then he shouldn't "need" to look at other sources. The Bible is much more credible than some wiki page.

Except that wiki pages are checked for neutrality. Bible pages are obviously biased.

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And Wikipedia is not, in fact, the only source available...

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I wasn't impling that. And you should not assume so.

Yeah, I figured the ":rolleyes:" would kinda give it away...

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My bad..
I suppose the should have given it away, but I took it to mean "what do you mean we don't worship anything? We worship science!"

Once again, my bad.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

thanks for the conciliatory words, didy, and my appy polly loggies to you for getting on your nerves. i'm basically a mess these days, so pushing someone's buttons seemed like it might be fun. my bad.

as far as atheism/evolution/science/etc. one thing is this, Tian: the qur'an torah, and bible could not possibly support evolution because darwin formulated his ideas over one thousand eight hundred years after christ. so, those were all written well before him. and as far as Darwin goes, that poor man is misunderstood. he was a devout christian. a chaplain on the boat where he did his research, in fact. and he was afraid of what his observations had taught him and that he would be condemned. he also didn't think that natural selection and christianity were irreconcilably different. I think Darwin was a hero, and an incredibly intelligent person as well as one of the most important scientists of his time.