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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:32 am 
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This is a newsletter that St. Mary's church in Colorado Springs sent out this week:

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If Your Child is a Gothic, Reform Through the Lord!

Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your child may have gone astray from the Lord. Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous culture that young teenagers are prone to participating in.
The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil, darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate attention through counselling, prayer, and parental guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the following are applicable to your child:

-Frequently wears black clothing.
-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.
-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.
-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include: reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other Satanic worshipping symbols.
-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.
-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)
-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak eccentrically.
-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.
-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.
-Takes drugs.
-Drinks alcohol.
-Is suicidal and/or depressed.
-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)
-Complains of boredom.
-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
-Is excessively awake during the night.
-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)
-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
-Spends large amounts of time alone.
-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child may speak to evil sprits through
meditation.)
-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.
-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this.
-Misbehaves at school.
-Misbehaves at home.
-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.
-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very
dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)
-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your
child may watch.)
-Plays videos games that contains violence or are of a role-playing nature.
-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.
-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.
-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.
-Expresses an interest in sex.
-Masturbates
-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.
-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.
-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
-Claims to be a goth.

If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center.

~St. Mary's Catholic Church


ZOMG, I DO MOST OF THOSE THINGS, I MUST BE SHIPPER OF SATANxBUDDA!

All Joking aside, Is this an outrage, an Outcry, or out-right stupid?

Personal, i do think that claiming to be goth makes you more satanic than any of those other things. :rolleyes:

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It's that third one, I think.

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Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous culture

If it's so obscure, how come I've seen in mentioned so often? And how come it has a stereotype?

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-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak eccentrically.

I like how they just said "eccentrically". So the stereotypical crazy old hermit is a goth now?

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-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.

I'm an agnostic nerd. I must a be a goth this whole time and didn't know it.

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-Complains of boredom.

Is this real?

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-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.

That's only a sign of gothiness if they use the internet to go on goth forums and upload stories to fanfiction.net about their goth Mary Sue falling in love with Draco Malfoy.

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-Expresses an interest in sex.

Hormones are Satanic!

And Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism are all dangerous cult religions, I see. ...Philosphy is a religion?

Please tell me this list a is hoax.

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Please tell me this list a is hoax.

I think it its, but im not sure. Can anywhere verify if it is?

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Snopes doesn't have it, but I just Googled it, and most of the people who put it up on forums and blogs said they'd seen it somewhere else on the internet. One said that people on the streets were handing out flyers with this list on, though.

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Stupid Christbots need to back off and stop ruining other people's subculture's/fun. Does Goth subculture even have anything to do with Satan worship?

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Not really, but ignorant people like to think that it does.

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holy crap! i use the internet, am awake at night, sleep 'too much', demand privacy and hang out with friends without adult supervision!


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holy crap! i use the internet, am awake at night, sleep 'too much', demand privacy and hang out with friends without adult supervision!


Well then, that obviously means you're a dangerous Satan-worshipping spawn of evil. Or a teenager. Whatever.


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um, yeah. most of the symptoms are normal teenage behaviors.


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I found this interview with the author.

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Lolz. :D

And here's what some nutjob Bible-thumper forum has to say about it.

Shame - that moderater "Pastor Ezekiel" is quite good-looking, judging by the avatar. Too bad he's a big auld looper fruitcake.


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Okay, I read the first few of pages of that topic, and are they joking? They must be joking. That has got to be some form of joke challenge. My favourite line so far:

Pastor Ezekiel, replying to a goth, wrote:
Because we know that there is no such thing as a goth Christian. That would be an example of false Christianity, which there is plenty of these days in the world, thanks to your master satan.

Okay then.

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with all the unintelligible yelling, i notice that N64 isn't ungodly.


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Jesus was NOT a Jew. Jesus was an is the Son of God® How can He be Jewish if His dad is not? It is not like His mother has anything to do with Jesus heritage.

Anyone else find this as hilarious ahd frustrating as I do? Excuse me while I resort to capital letters.

HIS MOTHER HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HIS HERITAGE! CHILDREN ARE CONSIDERED JEWISH IF THEIR MOTHER WAS! DO SOME RESEARCH!

Sorry about that.

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And don't you just love how he made "God" a registered trade mark?

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I think it's funnier how everyone who disagrees with them are lesbian prostitutes living in insane asylums.

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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.


Ok, this right here has me convinced that this is a hoax? What's next? Are Cookie Crisp going to turn me into a burglar?

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-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak eccentrically.


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Just so you'll know, not all of us Bible-Thumpers think Goth kids are satanic. Some of us just think they're strange little kids..

And, Dormar, I don't think you should be eating cookie crisp, with you wanting to be a cop and all.

I'm not going to tell you what happens with Honey Nut Cheerios... I really wish I could communicate in a way that didn't require an elaborate dance.

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Just so you'll know, not all of us Bible-Thumpers think Goth kids are satanic. Some of us just think they're strange little kids..


I can agree with that. :p

The problem is not only that this quote thing says Goths are Satanic, it will make people identify anyone having a sense of individuality (or even just anyone who USES THE INTERNET or WATCHES CABLE TV, OH NOES) as Goths and Satanic.

Screw them.

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Found the origin (I think), from a site called the "Parents' American Religious Organizations Defending Youth" or PARODY for short (and if you can't tell that this is all a hoax from that, then check out the author's explanation page).

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Found the origin (I think), from a site called the "Parents' American Religious Organizations Defending Youth" or PARODY for short (and if you can't tell that this is all a hoax from that, then I don't know how to convince you).
Yeah, quite the hoax though. It did ruffle up some feathers here.

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Lolz. :D

And here's what some nutjob Bible-thumper forum has to say about it.

Shame - that moderater "Pastor Ezekiel" is quite good-looking, judging by the avatar. Too bad he's a big auld looper fruitcake.

Man, when i get home, Im going to post that on /i/.

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Found the origin (I think), from a site called the "Parents' American Religious Organizations Defending Youth" or PARODY for short (and if you can't tell that this is all a hoax from that, then I don't know how to convince you).
Yeah, quite the hoax though. It did ruffle up some feathers here.


Yes, although we didn't see anything THAT extreme here, I'm sure that several places will have posts of "ZOMG SEE CHRISTIANS ARE SO STOOPID!!!!!!11!1!1! STUPID NEOCONS!1!!!".

...anything to discredit Christians..

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Lolz. :D

And here's what some nutjob Bible-thumper forum has to say about it.

Shame - that moderater "Pastor Ezekiel" is quite good-looking, judging by the avatar. Too bad he's a big auld looper fruitcake.

Man, when i get home, Im going to post that on /i/.


Before you guys get your knickers too much in a twist over that "pastor," you might want to read up a bit on the Landover Baptist Church itself first. While that site and its forums are obviously satirical as well, it IS sad to know that there are still nutjobs in this country who would earnestly think that way *coughFREDPHELPScough*.

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PianoManGidley wrote:
Before you guys get your knickers too much in a twist over that "pastor," you might want to read up a bit on the Landover Baptist Church itself first. While that site and its forums are obviously satirical as well, it IS sad to know that there are still nutjobs in this country who would earnestly think that way *coughFREDPHELPScough*.


I hate the way they use "Baptist". I go to a Baptist Church, and we don't have any of that craziness there (except for the old people, but that's more senility than hate). Either way, everytime I see one of those "see? This is what's wrong with Baptists" type posts that people like to make, I wanna go all Jihad on the "Baptists".

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I hate the way they use "Baptist". I go to a Baptist Church, and we don't have any of that craziness there (except for the old people, but that's more senility than hate). Either way, everytime I see one of those "see? This is what's wrong with Baptists" type posts that people like to make, I wanna go all Jihad on the "Baptists".


I agree...I would think that since their aim is to discredit ALL Christians, they'd use a non-denominational "church," but I guess it's an unfortunate truth that since the Baptist denomination is the largest Protestant denomination in the country, it's easier to go after them than, say, Lutherans (and for some reason, everyone just picks on Methodists as if they're the fat kid on the play ground that no one wants to play with...and I was raised Methodist, and they seem like all right people!).

I think there might be better ways to show the problems with evangelical bigots who use their religion as a shield for their own prejudices than to simply attack them with parodies. Even though I'm no longer Christian myself, I can easily see how that religion (as well as all other religions, respectively) has improved the quality of life for countless millions upon millions of people throughout history. The parody CAN serve as a simple light-hearted joke, if you take it that way, but at the same time, they run the risk of attacking the religion on the whole in a way that might make people see either (or both) side of the dichotomy as being less intelligent. But the problem isn't the group as a whole--it's the few (though still too many, IMO) bad apples in the bunch. Too bad that's all that so many people seem to focus on anymore.

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PianoManGidley wrote:
Before you guys get your knickers too much in a twist over that "pastor," you might want to read up a bit on the Landover Baptist Church itself first. While that site and its forums are obviously satirical as well, it IS sad to know that there are still nutjobs in this country who would earnestly think that way *coughFREDPHELPScough*.


Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh........ Well, I fell for it. I'm dumb. Very good. :D

I did wonder, especially when I read stuff like this:

List of "False Religions" thread wrote:
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Definition: Rural folks who believe that salvation can be had by marrying all of one's female cousins and wearing goofy underwear.
Trivia fact: Believe that Jesus came back as a gunfighter in the old west.
Worship: Nehi grape soda and Satan.


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Sheesh! According to that list, I'M a Goth!

Oh, well. I guess I better get my ax and shield and go sack Rome before the Huns beat me to it.

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The Landover Baptist Forum = WABEROFFLE!

Sorry, Dids. I hate to break it to ya, but apparently Lutheranism is a Satanic cult. :P

I'ma post my critique of the goth list and the Landover Baptist list of false religions when I get home. (I'm on a Mac, and I can't figure out how to copy-paste on a Mac. :/)

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