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 Post subject: Six killed in shooting in Salt Lake City, Utah
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:45 pm 
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Shooter kills 6 people Monday. Horrific event... thankfully he was stopped by an off-duty policeman or no doubt more would have died.

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Whoa.

Thats crazy. Yet, this happens probably everyday somewhere in the world. Wow. Man thats not cool.

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He killed five people, not six.

Still bad.

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God, sometimes this makes me wonder, what's going on with this world? Such pointless acts of violence...

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God, sometimes this makes me wonder, what's going on with this world? Such pointless acts of violence...

Isn't it obvious? God is angry with America and he's punishing us.

At least that's what Fred Phelps says.

Personally, I don't know what is wrong.
I'm sure the anti-gun, anti-rock music, anti-video game, or anti-movie lobbies will pin this on their respective "evils", but those "evils" will purely be scapegoats.
There's a deeper problem, I'm sure of it, but I have no clue what it is.

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There's a deeper problem, I'm sure of it, but I have no clue what it is.
Blame the media, I do.

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Beyond the Grave wrote:
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There's a deeper problem, I'm sure of it, but I have no clue what it is.
Blame the media, I do.

How so?

I mean, the media has pretty much done everything they can not to portray these wackos in a positive light. Well, everything except not report on them at all. Surely you've had some journalism ethics type classes. What those say about the media's role in reporting things like this?

Is the obligation to inform the public greater than the obligation to not give attention-seekers attention?

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There's a deeper problem, I'm sure of it, but I have no clue what it is.
Blame the media, I do.
So you're saying that it's the media's fault that this man went on a killing spree? Yeah, that makes sense... :rolleyes:


With a lot of these spree killers, there's usually something that caused it. Perhaps he was mentally unstable, and something finally sent him over the edge. It's possible.

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Is the obligation to inform the public greater than the obligation to not give attention-seekers attention?
Actually ithe media's objective is to pump us so full of fear that we are afraid of our own shadows.

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Is the obligation to inform the public greater than the obligation to not give attention-seekers attention?
Actually ithe media's objective is to pump us so full of fear that we are afraid of our own shadows.
It's not their objective, but rather a side effect. People will only be afraid if they think they are.One story might creep the crap out of one person, but completely unfaze the other. It's all the matter on how you perceive it.

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BTG, for someone interested in closing the R&P Forum, you seem strangely drawn to post in it.

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BTG, for someone interested in closing the R&P Forum, you seem strangely drawn to post in it.
That's why we have second thoughts. Not to mention, you are one of the reasons I wanted R&P closed. But this is not the place for this kind of discussion. Toast that paint

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What's really scary is that up until last December I was working in a shop at that Mall... I know the guy (Barrett Dodd) that helped the officer out (he was trying to throw a bar stool at the gunman). His family owned the store next door to the store I was working in...

Me and my wife had briefly considered making a trip to that mall for dinner that night (She really likes the Spaghetti Factory, and I needed to pick up something from one of the stores there for her)... instead we choose to go somewhere else...

Needless to say, I was feeling a little sick that night.

I think there are a lot of families that need all of our prayers right now.

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Man...that's terrible. My heart goes out to all of these people and their families.

One thing I've noticed is that after a shooting like this--or any murder, really--people always describe the killer as seeming like "a good guy" or "a nice kid" or whatever. Anyone got an explanation for that?

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Man...that's terrible. My heart goes out to all of these people and their families.

One thing I've noticed is that after a shooting like this--or any murder, really--people always describe the killer as seeming like "a good guy" or "a nice kid" or whatever. Anyone got an explanation for that?

Perhaps because those of us who seem to have the most control over ourselves are secretly more twisted inside and merely attempting to conceal it.

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This adds an interesting bit of light to the story.

Living through a nightmare like that is enough to make anyone a little crazy.

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Shippinator Mandy wrote:
Man...that's terrible. My heart goes out to all of these people and their families.

One thing I've noticed is that after a shooting like this--or any murder, really--people always describe the killer as seeming like "a good guy" or "a nice kid" or whatever. Anyone got an explanation for that?

Perhaps because those of us who seem to have the most control over ourselves are secretly more twisted inside and merely attempting to conceal it.

huh? Someone call for me?

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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote:
Perhaps because those of us who seem to have the most control over ourselves are secretly more twisted inside and merely attempting to conceal it.
Well, some people keep their feelings on the inside, and others dont. Nice people arent necessarily "Hiding their twistedness", but rather become twisted from hiding their feelings for too long.

Their was a shooting at a mall near me a year and a half ago. I was planning on going there, similar to stu's situation. The person who did the shooting was a guy who had a weird fascination with columbine. edit: wikipedia has an article.

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Shippinator Mandy wrote:
One thing I've noticed is that after a shooting like this--or any murder, really--people always describe the killer as seeming like "a good guy" or "a nice kid" or whatever. Anyone got an explanation for that?


Here's a non-psychobabble filled answer, so I'm probably wrong.

It could be that their previous behavior was "nice" or "good" compared to what happened.
I mean, unless he was disemboweling kittens on his front lawn, pretty much any pattern of behavior that he had before the shooting would seem mild compared to the shooting.

I don't know, it's just a random guess. I wish I could come up with an analogy to describe what I'm thinking, but I can't right now.

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StrongRad wrote:
Shippinator Mandy wrote:
One thing I've noticed is that after a shooting like this--or any murder, really--people always describe the killer as seeming like "a good guy" or "a nice kid" or whatever. Anyone got an explanation for that?


Here's a non-psychobabble filled answer, so I'm probably wrong.

It could be that their previous behavior was "nice" or "good" compared to what happened.
I mean, unless he was disemboweling kittens on his front lawn, pretty much any pattern of behavior that he had before the shooting would seem mild compared to the shooting.

I don't know, it's just a random guess. I wish I could come up with an analogy to describe what I'm thinking, but I can't right now.


I know what you are saying. And yes, it makes complete sense.

He has four crimes on his report.

He kills a few people, and now those crimes seem harmless.

Thats whatcha' saying, am I not correct?

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I know what you are saying. And yes, it makes complete sense.

He has four crimes on his report.

He kills a few people, and now those crimes seem harmless.

Thats whatcha' saying, am I not correct?

More or less, yes.
It's something I've noticed in some of these "He wasn't a bad guy" type events.

This guy sure went through a lot. I hoped/thought that the UN was providing counseling to those who survived the genocide. Guess I was wrong. I guess my first clue should have been when people were using the euphemism of "ethnic cleansing".

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The rate of deaths in our world is, unfortunately, very high. However, in many nations (like America), the birth rate is even higher. That means that if you take the average life expectancy and go back that far, the birth rate at that point will more or less be the current death rate.

More on-topic, murder is such an inexcusable crime. This sounds like a sterotype scenario in which a quiet loner with inner turmoil takes out all of his unguided anger on innocent people. Watch out for their type. Try and make them feel welcome in society and maybe we won't have so many of these situations.


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The rate of deaths in our world is, unfortunately, very high. However, in many nations (like America), the birth rate is even higher. That means that if you take the average life expectancy and go back that far, the birth rate at that point will more or less be the current death rate.

More on-topic, murder is such an inexcusable crime. This sounds like a sterotype scenario in which a quiet loner with inner turmoil takes out all of his unguided anger on innocent people. Watch out for their type. Try and make them feel welcome in society and maybe we won't have so many of these situations.


Spoken like a true Benjamin Franklin Fanboy. :) I'm one, but I'm not that hardcore. ;)

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