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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:54 am

StrongRad wrote:

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:

Nobody here is a Lutherain.

Umm... Didymus and PieMax come to mind...

No, theyre Lutheran.

Steve · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:57 am

he means exactly that. They should come to the thread

Einoo T. Spork · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:02 am

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:

StrongRad wrote:

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:

Nobody here is a Lutherain.

Umm... Didymus and PieMax come to mind...

No, theyre Lutheran.

You're not in a very good position to be making fun of other people's spelling and grammar.

StrongRad · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:04 am

COLA, what is a Lutherain?

The only thing I can find on the internet is people referring to Lutherans and not spelling it correctly.

Didymus · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:20 am

SR, you could just edit the poll and correct the spelling. You can do that with Super Mod Powers.

Oh, and StrongCanada is Lutheran too. Let's definitely not forget her. (and who would want to anyway?)

StrongRad · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:28 am

FIX'D!!!

I wasn't aware she was Lutheran.. I thought she was more non-denominational than anything. Regardless, she has a better HRWFW page than Stu (remind him of that). :-P

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:13 am

StrongRad wrote:

COLA, what is a Lutherain?

The only thing I can find on the internet is people referring to Lutherans and not spelling it correctly.

A Lutherain is a race of Dwarfs who live in North-East Russia. They mainly practice Yeti worship, but occasionally get bored and worship a large, brown, panda-bear that happens to cross through the area every once-in-a-while and dies. They worship its corpse for a few days, then make a nice Silk tent out of it, even though silk doesn't exist on the bodies of pandas. They invented the Bowie Knife, and Dracula, and subsequently worship him in the form of a cat.

Steve · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:14 pm

thanks for correcting my mistake guys.

Didymus · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:20 pm

Oh, and Droideka. How could I forget Droideka? He was the one who introduced me to Higher Things.

Wesstarrunner · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:23 pm

Steve I have a question for you: Do you believe God and Jesus are one and the same or do you hold that Jesus is God's son?
I believe that Jesus is in fact God's son just so you know.

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:11 pm

Wesstarrunner wrote:

I believe that Jesus is in fact God's son just so you know.

Well that is something that i think every Christian believes.

Wesstarrunner · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:17 pm

Some people actually believe that God and Jesus are in fact the same thing.

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:24 pm

Wesstarrunner wrote:

Some people actually believe that God and Jesus are in fact the same thing.

Well they are. Jesus is the son of God, but he is also the personification of God on Earth.

Wesstarrunner · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:32 pm

I don't believe that he is the personification of God. God is God and Jesus is Jesus. Jesus is God's son who died for us all and God is the creator and was here before all else. That's my reasoning.

Inverse Tiger · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:51 pm

Warning: religious wonkishness

Saying Jesus is "the personification of God" might be oversimplifying... but... Trinitarian Christianity (that is, most Christian churches) define God as one God with three "persons", the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the incarnation of the Son. So he is "the son", and the Son of God, but is also God.

If this doesn't make any sense, that's because it's also generally understood that it's not supposed to make sense, and that if it does make sense to you, your understanding is incorrect. It's not supposed to be possible to really understand the nature of God while trapped in space-time.

So even though the humanity of Jesus did not exist before the birth of Jesus, the Son of God incarnate as Jesus has always existed and is that same God that created the universe and was here before all else. For support for this, see the first chapter of the Gospel of John.

Wesstarrunner · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:58 pm

I looked at it and I can see how you interpreted it that way, but I truly believe that:
John 3:16- For God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, so that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

ed 'lim' smilde · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:05 pm

John 1:1 wrote:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 wrote:

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

I believe that, while God the Father and God the Son (as well as God the Holy Spirit) don't mean the same thing, they are all one God.

Inverse Tiger · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:09 pm

Wes wrote:

I looked at it and I can see how you interpreted it that way, but I truly believe that:
John 3:16- For God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, so that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Well see, that's correct too. I'm definitely not saying John 3:16 is incorrect. And of course you're free to hold your own opinion of the nature of God and Jesus that differs from the mainstream theologians. Just letting you know what those opinions are, tho: that Jesus is considered by most theologians over time to be

Both 100% human and 100% God
The "second" "person" of the Trinity that is the One God and therefore God AND God's Son and therefore existing for all time
That these seemingly contradictory things are true because God exists independent of our reality, so we will never be able to comprehend how all these things could be at the same time

But, you know, freedom of belief & all

Wesstarrunner · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:14 pm

I've always liked to have a little understanding of somethings, so I guess it's my nature to think that and it's also what our church seems to be teaching (that God and Jesus are two separate entities and all).

Steve · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:22 pm

I can answer the question for myself, according to what I've been taught: God, Jesus, and the holy spirit are three entities in one. Based on biblical referance alone, I find this to be true. But to understand this concept fully, more research is needed.

Shippinator Mandy · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:51 pm

...Am I the only freakin' Episcopalian on [s]the entire Internet[/s] this forum? D:

lahimatoa · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:51 pm

Quote:

...Am I the only freakin' Episcopalian on the entire Internet this forum? D:

Well, it is kinda weird to belong to the American version of the Church of England.

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:58 pm

lahimatoa wrote:

Well, it is kinda weird to belong to the American version of the Church of England.

Which is the Catholic Church sans the Pope.

Shippinator Mandy · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:34 pm

lahimatoa wrote:

Quote:

...Am I the only freakin' Episcopalian on the entire Internet this forum? D:

Well, it is kinda weird to belong to the American version of the Church of England.

...And this is weird...HOW? -_-

lahimatoa · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:37 pm

Because the Church of England was basically created so that King Henry the Whatever could have political and religious power equal to the Pope.

There is no King Henry in America.

Shippinator Mandy · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:43 pm

lahimatoa wrote:

Because the Church of England was basically created so that King Henry the Whatever could have political and religious power equal to the Pope.

There is no King Henry in America.

That's not what matters, in my eyes.

Yes, King Henry VIII was a total jerky. But the Episcopal church is a very open, accepting, caring church. The fact that we're tied to Henry, or that we're not based in England, has nothing to do with it.

lahimatoa · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:06 pm

So what you're saying is that the past of a church doesn't matter, nor does the reason it came into being.

Good to know. Thank you.

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:21 pm

lahimatoa wrote:

So what you're saying is that the past of a church doesn't matter, nor does the reason it came into being.

Good to know. Thank you.

No offense, Lahi but the LDS came to be under some unusual circumstances, too. A man claims to see God, writes it down, gets some people to believe him and then takes them across the country to a large salt lake.

lahimatoa · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:12 pm

Quote:

No offense, Lahi but the LDS came to be under some unusual circumstances, too. A man claims to see God, writes it down, gets some people to believe him and then takes them across the country to a large salt lake.

Actually, Joseph Smith didn't make it to the large salt lake. He was assassinated in Illinois.

And I know that our history has some weird stuff in it. I never said it didn't.

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:49 pm

lahimatoa wrote:

Quote:

No offense, Lahi but the LDS came to be under some unusual circumstances, too. A man claims to see God, writes it down, gets some people to believe him and then takes them across the country to a large salt lake.

Actually, Joseph Smith didn't make it to the large salt lake. He was assassinated in Illinois.

And I know that our history has some weird stuff in it. I never said it didn't.

Why was Joseph Smith assassinated?

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