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Surprised there hasn't been a topic on this yet. Or maybe there has and I'm just stupid. The Talpiot Tomb is an ancient tomb in Jerusalem that some postulate as being the burial place of Jesus. Because there are bones in the ossuary supposedly belonging to Jesus, this discovery, if true, would basically undermine the Christian religion. Now, I'm not really concerned either way, but it doesn't seem to me to be very credible.

There's a documentary on this tomorrow, on Discovery channel. I think I might watch.


Thoughts on this?

I'm skeptical, obviously, but I'm not going to be one of those "ZOMG THESE PIGS ARE LYING TO DESTROY MY RELIGION!!!" people. Personally, I think it's all a crock, but I'm not going to blow myself up to prevent it from being broadcast.
I'm not saying the bones don't belong to someone named Jesus, but that Jesus is not the Jesus of Christianity.

Jesus was a fairly common name (as were Mary and Joseph), so even if these bones did belong to people with the same names as Jesus and his family, it's not really "proof". At any rate, I'm surprised at how people are just now jumping on the bandwagon of something that was found some 20 odd years ago.

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How does finding Jesus' bones destroy the Christian religion?

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Well then, you must wonder, if this really was the body of Jesus, why didn't we find it until the 1980's?
We know Jesus ascended to heaven 40 days after he resurrected (Luke 24:50-53), so if they find Jesus' body, they prove he didn't ascend.

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From what we know, Jesus was originally buried in the tomb of Joseph of Aramathea, and then, supposedly, the body disappeared from there. Jewish and Roman authorities claim it was stolen.

But here's the problem: all of Jesus' relatives lived in either Bethlehem or Nazareth. It is not very likely that they would have been buried together in Jerusalem, away from their ancestral homes. And even if that one set of bones belonged to Jesus, why would the bones of the rest of his family be there, when they should be in Bethlehem or Nazareth?

Furthermore, if Jesus' disciples did steal his body to propagate a false religion, do you think they'd be foolish enough to actually label the body? It wouldn't have been a very smart move on their part.

Also, have you seen the inscription? It's practically illegible. In fact, there are some scholars who are claiming that it doesn't even read "Y'shua" but "Hanun" instead.

And finally, here's the clincher: is there any evidence of crucifixion on the bones? We know that Jesus of Nazareth was crucified. We also know, from archaeology, that crucifixion of the type the Romans used would have created certain stresses on the body. These should be evident on the bones. If not, then we can completely rule out that these are the bones of Jesus of Nazareth.

Funny, I seem to remember Dr. Paul Maier writing a book about this very topic. I should see if I can get my hands on it and read it.

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not Jesus's tomb, not his bones...
and if they are...and they aren't...I will try to stay christian...even if the reserection didn't happen...and it did, they aren't his bones!

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Woah, Dids puts up a great argument. I don't really care about all of this, but here's what my dad said: "How do they even know it's Jesus if they don't even know the father of Anna Nicole Smith's son?" ZIng!

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hey, don't bring our generations Marylin Monroe into this.

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duecex2: Thank you.

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Gotta say, Did's argument is very convincing. Either way, I really, really doubt this is the tomb of the Jesus of Nazareth. Although I wish I had the Discovery Channel to watch this documentary.

You know, it'd be funny if it turns out that the religion that is the true religion was one that died out thousands of years ago.

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that's a post for another thread... you should start it...

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Don't know that much about it, but Didy has a good point.

Also, had this exchange at school, proving that my fellow 8th graders are total idiots:

GIRL: They think they found Jesus' tomb.
ME: You know, people have pretty much debunked that.
GIRL: I said they THINK they found Jesus' tomb.
ME: ...*headdesk*

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You've proved, on many occasions, that your fellow 8th graders are idiots. Now to add this on the long tapestry you weave when you talk about them.

Eitherway, if this is Jesus' tomb, and its actually his bones, then doesn't that make not only Christianity debunked, but Judaism as well? Because if it actually is his tomb and bones, then that means the Bible is prety much a fraud, including the Old Testament, which makes the book Judaism believes in, Debunked. If this actually ends up true, these two powerful religions are nothing more than a web of lies strung together.
Of course, that would make Islam the only real mainstream religion.
Just in case if it is, Praise Allah!

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Yeah, this to me reeks of people trying to disprove religion through bad "science". Quit giving secular people a bad name, James Cameron.

Not really.. The Jews didn't believe that Jesus was the son of God. Showing that he wasn't would mess up the New Testament, but the Old Testament wouldn't have any degradation (I think, Dids, help me out on this one).

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That's right, SR. And I'm sure Cobalt would agree.

But Cola, if the Old Testament (Tanak) were debunked, then Islam wouldn't be true either, considering that much of what is taught by Mohammed originates with the Tanak.

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my mom has told me recently about somethign interesting. While her belief, in my opinion, is misinformed...she is still a christian: she never believed in the concept of Jesus ascending both in body and spirit. she always thought that no one, not even Jesus, was capable of going to heaven in body...she though that the body was gone from the tomb because yes, Jesus walked -out...but only to use his earth body to have one last day on earth... to speak with his disciples...eventually, he left his body behind and his body was burried somewhere...she has believed it her entire life...while I don't accept it...it proves that it would only change the outlook of the main-stream chuches and not the individual christians...so the religion can still be upheld...
still, I resolve that it's not his tomb, nothis bones, and he both ascended in body and spirit...as scripture says...

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Meh...I think we'll find cold, hard evidence of life on other planets (probably Europa, the ice-covered moon of Jupiter) before we unravel any hard facts about Jesus' tomb. And the life on other planets thing should send some strict Creationists for a loop, methinkst...turn a lot of religions on their head since we wouldn't be the only planet with life.

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The Bible doesn't say anything about life on other planets, though. Just ours.

I think the "strict creationists" that PMG mentioned were the "God created the Earth and put life here and only here and he did it in 6 days" type people.

Like you said, though, the Bible says nothing (that I'm aware of) of life anywhere but on Earth.
Some contend that, since the Bible doesn't mention it, that it's not possible. I prefer to think that "just because it's not in the bible doesn't mean it didn't happen". Of course, it doesn't bother me much (I am apathetic when it comes to most topics that keep people up at night).

An interesting thing to think about, though, is "Would life on other planets strengthen or weaken the credibility of creationism (or at least some sort of interference that led to life popping up)?".

OK, I'm a moderator, I'm supposed to keep stuff ON TOPIC not let the train jump the tracks, fly over the hill, through the forest and into the middle of a small town.. In other words, toastpaint.

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Well, it may weaken the argument that life is extremely unlikely to form at random (an argument which I believe is true), because if we find more life only a few million miles away, it would supposedly be quite common.

And back to the topic... it's on right now. It's kinda funny, cause they're showing 'The True Story of Noah's Ark' afterwards.

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Quick question: How will they determine if the bones are in fact Jesus' bones? Can they only tell if they have crucifixion wounds?

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Even that wouldn't be much proof. Jesus wasn't the only person in that day and time to be crucified. Of course, if there were no wounds, then it would certainly prove what I'm already sure of.

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Well, I saw it last night, its not actually bones, just what they were burried in.

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Not exactly. Part of our confession as Christians is the bodily ascension of Jesus. There's no reason to believe that he didn't take his physical body with him when he ascended to the right hand of the Father, but to propose that he ditched his physical body after the resurrection, it denies the true incarnation. It proposes that, as the Incarnate Lord, he was not both fully human and fully divine. I'd suggest you take a look at the Athanasian Creed sometime for a better understanding of why this is important.

1 Corinthians 15 says that his body, rather than being discarded, has been glorified. And as I've stated elsewhere, I do not believe that the Greek here allows us to make a sharp distinction between physical and spiritual as regards his body (the Greek terms here are actually psuchikos and pneumatikos, "soul" and "spirit". I take this to distinguish between bodies with ordinary human/animal life, such as we have now, and bodies animated entirely by the Holy Spirit, such as Christ has, and which we will have in the Resurrection). The text says that his resurrected body has been made immortal and incorruptible.

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there's no way to conclusively prove that it's Jesus's tomb or not. but it could be, and i personally don't care whether it is or not. it doesn't affect my beliefs at all, since i don't give a crap about Jesus.



uh, no. why? Jesus has precisely nothing to do with Judaism. Jesus could have never existed and it would have no impact on Judaism whatsoever. why would you think that Judaism would be debunked by this?

To the tune of the william tell overture!
its a hoax, its a hoax, its a hoax- hoax- hoax!...

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ROFFLE!

That's pretty much right. These ossuaries were found almost 30 years ago, and no serious claims were made within the intervening time. The only reason this has become an issue now is because James Cameron, the big-time director, decided to put in his two cents.

So you decide. The Jesus Ossuary: Mysterious Myth? Or Legendary Legend?
*mysterious music*

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Obviously, he's trying to get publicity by saying he found the body of JESUS. Notice the caps. Thats just probly what hes just yelling in the documentary. "JESUS! YOU GET IT? LIKE THE RELIGIOUS GUY! COMEON, THROW ME MONEY! cWhat a freakin moron.

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