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Maybe. Maybe not. Like I said in the post, my main point was that his view of such things was hopelessly optimistic. Maybe people don't need religion to see that such things are counterproductive and eventually self-destructive, but if that's the case, then why do people keep doing them?

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True, but even belief doesn't stop people.

It's inaccurate to say "without religion, we'd have it all figured out." But I think it's also inaccurate (or at least unprovable) to say the same for "with religion", or that "without religion, we're all screwed."

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Tiger, I'm not saying either. Again, I was simply pointing out some flaws in Duke's thinking. The main one being that education isn't the real issue: attitude is. A person can know that it's wrong to kill, but given the right circumstances, not give a care.

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I really have a problem with all the anti-abortion and anti-drug stuff. Why should the state be able to make a law about what one cannot do to one's own body, based on their beliefs which may not hold true to everyone. It's not hurting anyone else, so why bring the state into matters that can easily be handled by one's family and friends. Also I can't see why atheists are so hated. Is it because they have actually fought for freedom of religion by trying to get "under god" taken out of the pledge of allegiance (which was added in the 50s as a protest to Soviet atheism)?

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Wow, It's been like three or 4 years since I've last been here

Anti-Abortion: the problem there is that it's not just the woman's body involved, but also the body of the unborn child. Why should an unborn child be deprived of his/her most basic right of life for the mere convenience of the mother? And if we do not preserve this most basic right for everyone, then any other claims of preserving freedom for anyone are sheer hypocrisy.

As for the pledge: I really don't care about that, or about "In God We Trust" on the back of money. In our pluralistic society, these phrases pretty much have no meaning anymore anyway. Which God are we under? And in what ways do we trust him/her/it? Besides, in most cases, I suspect that the god people trust in most is the paper that those words are printed on anyway (at least that was the case with Faith Lutheran last year).

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I am anti abortion, and for no religious reasons. Why should we destroy the life of another human being just because the mother does not want to? Granted, if there are some specific circumstances, such as if the mother was victim of rape or her life was endangered, abortion in those cases are understandable.
And I don't care about the pledge. Atheists are the minority, and the minority has to make room for the majority, not the other way around.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

Honestly, is the pledge really that big of a deal? I don't believe in any gods, but I don't get my panties in a knot over trivial things like that.

Anyhoo, the only time that I get really angry over politicians letting the Bible do their voting is when it comes to things like stem-cell research. Bush should've been impeached the moment he vetoed the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act.

Lol... anyone who parrots the ol' "Impeach Bush!" line has about as much credibility as Cindy Sheehan.

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Yes, because obviously that invalidates my entire point. Sorry I didn't notice that. I'll take better care to not do that in the future.

All right! I have more credibility than a half-crazed housewife. Look out New York, here come you next governor!

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I approve of stem cell research, in some cases... for example, getting a woman pregnant just to abort the baby and take the cells. That is just creating life for the purpose of destroying it, which is ethically unsound. Cord blood, however, is a better alternative. I don't think that Bush deserved to be impeached because he vetoed the bill. There have been far far worse vetoes in American history, such as those by Andrew Jackson. And the acts of President Adams with the Alien and Sedition Acts are far worse than anything you think Bush has done.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

RARARAR IMPEACH HIM NOW!

*braces for impact*

I'LL IMPEACH YOUR...uh...BALANCE1!

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I'LL IMPEACH YOUR PEACHES!!!!

PREPARE TO GET IMPEACHED! IN THE FACE!!

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You know, the same could have been said about those who wanted to impeach Clinton.

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Great idea..

*sigh*
I wish we could go through a president without impeaching him in his second term..

That wasn't impeachable, by any means. Bush voted the same way that the people who voted him into office wanted him to vote. (right or wrong, I feel that's the politicians #1 job)

I DO disagree with creating embryos for the purpose of stem cell research, but I have absolutely no objection to conducting research on "leftover" embryos, created via in vitro fertilization and intended for implantation, but slated for disposal. I actually feel that disposing them is a total waste of life. Better to get SOMETHING out of them than to completely waste the life.

My take on "religion in politics": Religions (well, most of them) seem to be based on loving one another, treating them as you want to be treated. If THAT part of religion were to enter government (as in, reducing corruption), then I can't think of anyone who'd object. As far as using "The Bible is against this, so I'll vote against it, even if others disagree" goes, I can't say that I agree.

My religion does line up with how I vote in most things, but it doesn't really influence it as much as some might think, as I like to think about those issues abstracted from religion.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Religion in law is something that is unavoidable in our society< for what is deemed right and wrong on the most basic levels are formed in most religions> It's the tiny details that should leave religion out. Stem cell research is something that while sacrificing some embryos here a blastula there may seem objectionable to some, the overall good outweighs the evil. Like amputating a leg with necrosis.
Religion is outdated, society has changed. Keeping religion out of law lets law be modified easier. Better fitting todays society (por ejemplo: gay marriage)

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C. S. Lewis had a term for phrases like this: chronological snobbery. One cannot assess ideas based on date or time, but upon their merits. To simply label an idea as "outdated" does very little to demonstrate that it is wrong.

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I did not mean to imply it was wrong, but that society and human thought changes faster than religion. Sorry if I was a bit vague.

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Okay. Moving on, then.

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