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For the record, most animal rights activists and vegetarians are normal, sane people. I mean, I'm a vegetarian, and I'm not all crazy about it.

Also, I think it's despicable that they want to kill that little bear. Utterly, utterly despicable.

On the other hand, I've known of others that said the sale of meat should be outlawed, those people get annoying.

Droideka wrote:

On the other hand, I've known of others that said the sale of meat should be outlawed, those people get annoying.

I agree with that 100%! I mean, seriously. People have a right to choose what they eat. I basically just think the animals should be raised humanely and killed as painlessly as possible. :/

(Though even if I started eating meat, I don't think I'd eat fish. Can't stand the smell.)

I don't think I'd eat fish. Can't stand the smell.)

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I agree with most things said in this thread, but the title really irks me. It's like if I started a thread about Anne Coulter with the title "Christians Are Crazy".

Mike, it's arguable that animal cruelty laws are just as much the result of common sense/common decency as they are activism.

StrongRad wrote:

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I like how they are wearing leather suits and Biker gear.

Mike, it's arguable that animal cruelty laws are just as much the result of common sense/common decency as they are activism.

Hence certain tenets of animal rights are common sense and common decency. But at heart I think we all know that. There's a noisy fringe who take it too far, and their nannying, hectoring tone alienates a lot of people. If you consider the core of the issue, however, most of us are proponents of certain animal rights. As Penn and Teller point out, it's a matter of degree.

But Berlin Zoo holds different opinions. Its chief vet Andre Schuele says the activists' criticisms would make him angry if he could take them seriously.

Isn't this one of the most hypocritical things you've ever heard of? I mean, seriously, they want a HEALTHY bear killed simply because it's being fed by hand instead by it's mother.

I can't stand the allergic reactions.

About fish: It has to be cooked a certain way (Battered and fried, or grilled), or I don't like it. Lemon juice ruins fish.

[s]this[/s] This is [s]horribl[/s] horrible! [s]these[/s] These [s]poeple[/s] people need to go to [s]jeil[/s] jail for being so mean!

homerstarrun70fireboy wrote:

[s]this[/s] This is [s]horribl[/s] horrible! [s]these[/s] These [s]poeple[/s] people need to go to [s]jeil[/s] jail for being so mean!

There, fixed. Please start using proper spelling and grammar, typing like you do will earn you no respect here. Also, you can't go to jail for being a jerk. (If you could, I'd prolly be incarcerated.)

Author:	lahimatoa [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:17 pm ]
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So there's this polar bear cub in Germany that was abandoned by its mother. It's currently in a zoo being cared for by the zoo people. Hooray, right? Nope. An animal rights group wants the baby polar bear killed. Seriously. They want this little guy dead. EDIT: Just changed the title, making it a little less of a generalization..

Author:	PianoManGidley [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:28 pm ]
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Wow...that's...really stupid on the part of the animal rights activists. Since the only reason they want the polar bear killed off is because its being treated in a fashion that would make it too domesticated...then why not just cry for the caretakers of the bear to change their habits of care so that the polar bear will be raised to be independent, as naturally as it could be?

Author:	Droideka [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:29 pm ]
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Isn't this one of the most hypocritical things you've ever heard of? I mean, seriously, they want a HEALTHY bear killed simply because it's being fed by hand instead by it's mother.

Author:	StrongRad [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:38 pm ]
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Author:	Didymus [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:09 pm ]
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Awwww. hugginates bear thwackinates animal rights idiots

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Author:	Spyrox6 [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:17 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote: This is PG-13, but very appropriate in this thread. BSFW (Barely Safe For Work), uses non-forum appropriate, kidlet unsafe language. That was one of the most funniest things I have ever watched. Testing on animals has saved millions of lives, and PETA is trying to stand in the way of that. PETA, helping the ALF firebomb research centers. Insane. What's really messed up is extreme vegetarians. I think that it's ok to eat meat because it's all apart of the food chain. Yeah, we were probably meant to eat other animals cause we are at the top of the food chain.

Author:	Didymus [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:21 pm ]
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Well, that depends. Go swimming off the coast of California sometime. Or near Martha's Vineyard. Or ride a tractor with Morgan Freeman. (dun DUN dun DUN dun DUN dun DUN!)

Author:	Beyond the Grave [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:31 pm ]
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You know what I would do if I was working for the Berlin Zoo? I would raise the bear, then bring some of those Animal Rights types into see it and let the bear loose on them.

Author:	Mike D [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:34 pm ]
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Before we paint all animal rights activists with a broad brush, it should be pointed out that Frank Albrecht's suggestion has met with opposition from other animal rights groups in Germany. Albrecht would actually have a point if this animal was to be released into the wild...no, it would probably not survive. The Berlin Zoo can use the bear as breeding stock in the future and actually benefit the dwindling polar bear population, however. Albrecht is clearly not seeing the whole picture. Neither is this thread, as titled and presented, however. Yes, the animal rights umbrella does include some exceptionally wacky extremists, but it also includes animal cruelty laws that give you legal recourse if someone shoots your dog and protections for endangered species (neither of which existed before the historical equivalent of animal rights activists campaigned for them). Mike

Author:	Shippinator Mandy [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:47 pm ]
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For the record, most animal rights activists and vegetarians are normal, sane people. I mean, I'm a vegetarian, and I'm not all crazy about it. Also, I think it's despicable that they want to kill that little bear. Utterly, utterly despicable.

Author:	Droideka [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:50 pm ]
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Shippinator Mandy wrote: For the record, most animal rights activists and vegetarians are normal, sane people. I mean, I'm a vegetarian, and I'm not all crazy about it. Also, I think it's despicable that they want to kill that little bear. Utterly, utterly despicable. My sis is friends with a vegetarian, she is normal... On the other hand, I've known of others that said the sale of meat should be outlawed, those people get annoying. Let's shoot the people that want to shoot the bear.

Author:	Droideka [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:34 pm ]
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Shippinator Mandy wrote: Droideka wrote: On the other hand, I've known of others that said the sale of meat should be outlawed, those people get annoying. I agree with that 100%! I mean, seriously. People have a right to choose what they eat. I basically just think the animals should be raised humanely and killed as painlessly as possible. :/ (Though even if I started eating meat, I don't think I'd eat fish. Can't stand the smell.) There was a dude on a streetcorner in Atlanta about two years ago, shoting about the dangers of eating meat... Saying people were "As guilty as sin itself" for eating it, and that it should be outlawed for causing "obesity". I eat more meat than anyone I know, and I weigh 180, and am 6'2". About fish: It has to be cooked a certain way (Battered and fried, or grilled), or I don't like it. Lemon juice ruins fish.

Author:	Rocoramore [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:49 pm ]
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I can hear their thoughts from here. "Awwww....HAVE IT KILLED!" That is so stupid.

Author:	bwave [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:09 pm ]
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Shippinator Mandy wrote: I don't think I'd eat fish. Can't stand the smell.) I can't stand the allergic reactions. This is [potentially] horrible news about the bear. Locking a beat up in a 100x100 foot environment is apparently normal, but giving it nutrition that it would normally have in the wild is just so friggin unnatural. Anyways, many animal rights group go way too far. There was once a picture (series of pics really, but they were strung into one.) of a cat being held down while it's owner poured lighter fluid on it, then lit it on fire. Also, the "NEDM" cat comes to mind. Where I'm going with that is that when they were originally released on the internet, some people would try to tell animal rights groups know through BBSes and such. Instead of trying to do something about it, the animal rights groups just ignored it, saying that being lit on fire for sick fun wasnt as bad as being killed for food. Strange. I would have thought that killing a creature in order to survive (like every carni/omnivorous creature including humans have done since the dawn of time) is slightly more tolerable than lighting a defenseless animal on fire for fun. If you need any more info about the cat, try googling 'zippocat', or NEDM. Be warned, though, image searches reveal graphic images.

Author:	Didymus [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:35 am ]
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"SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE KICK!!" - Minsc. "BUTT-KICKING FOR JUSTICE!!"

Author:	homerstarrun70fireboy [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:38 pm ]
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this is horribl these poeple need to go to jeil for being so mean

Author:	furrykef [ Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:24 pm ]
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I think the bottom line is, "If the animal were cognizant of its situation, would it want to die?" I'd say the answer is more likely "no" than "yes". - Kef

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Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:13 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote: This is PG-13, but very appropriate in this thread. BSFW (Barely Safe For Work), uses non-forum appropriate, kidlet unsafe language. I like how they are wearing leather suits and Biker gear.

Author:	Mike D [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:19 pm ]
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Bwave, the stuff you're talking about is already illegal; there's not much more animal rights activists can do about it. Animal cruelty laws are already in place and carry stiffer sentences than many of you might imagine. As I mentioned above, they are the results of successful activism. Again, folks, be careful characterizing an entire group by its lunatic fringe. Some of you are pro-life; is it be fair for the entire movement to be characterized as crazy -- as it sometimes is -- because certain extremists like to murder doctors? Mike

Author:	Code J [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:37 pm ]
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I agree with most things said in this thread, but the title really irks me. It's like if I started a thread about Anne Coulter with the title "Christians Are Crazy".

Author:	StrongRad [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:43 pm ]
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Code J wrote: I agree with most things said in this thread, but the title really irks me. It's like if I started a thread about Anne Coulter with the title "Christians Are Crazy". Yes, it is wrong to say "ALL animal rights activists..." It might be appropriate to say "the most vocal..", though, as the most vocal members of any group are the most likely to "set" the stereotype (and that makes sense, if you think about it). Mike, it's arguable that animal cruelty laws are just as much the result of common sense/common decency as they are activism. I don't have a problem with activists, in general, but it seems like the most vocal ones leave me feeling the opposite of the way they aim to make me feel. PETA is one of those groups, for sure. They seem like a perfect example of how Americans can take a good idea, go way too far with it, then twist it to something completely different from how it started out.

Author:	PianoManGidley [ Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:52 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote: Mike, it's arguable that animal cruelty laws are just as much the result of common sense/common decency as they are activism. I dunno...the squeaky wheel gets the oil, ya know. Some things just stay out of whack, no matter how illogical they are, until a group of people stand up and say "Hey--this ain't right, what's happening here!" If common sense and decency were the first things thought about everytime society did something new, then slavery and oppression would never be an issue.

Author:	ChickenLeg [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:22 am ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: StrongRad wrote: This is PG-13, but very appropriate in this thread. BSFW (Barely Safe For Work), uses non-forum appropriate, kidlet unsafe language. I like how they are wearing leather suits and Biker gear. I hate how that quote is by a person who shares the same first name I have. But anyway, they can't kill a polar bear. Haven't they been to any zoos? They're trying to raise the animals as naturally as possible, for Kodak's sake!

Author:	Mike D [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:02 am ]
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StrongRad wrote: Mike, it's arguable that animal cruelty laws are just as much the result of common sense/common decency as they are activism. Hence certain tenets of animal rights are common sense and common decency. But at heart I think we all know that. There's a noisy fringe who take it too far, and their nannying, hectoring tone alienates a lot of people. If you consider the core of the issue, however, most of us are proponents of certain animal rights. As Penn and Teller point out, it's a matter of degree. Also, the more I think about it the less comfortable I am with Bwave's post providing a roadmap to animal cruelty pictures. That kind of thing can be very traumatic to see, especially if somebody's little brother or sister happens to come across it. Perhaps Bwave would consider editing that info out? Mike

Author:	StrongRad [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:28 am ]
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Mike D wrote: Hence certain tenets of animal rights are common sense and common decency. But at heart I think we all know that. There's a noisy fringe who take it too far, and their nannying, hectoring tone alienates a lot of people. If you consider the core of the issue, however, most of us are proponents of certain animal rights. As Penn and Teller point out, it's a matter of degree. I won't disagree with that in the least. I don't speak for all right-wing gun nuts, but I find dogfighting/cockfighting detestable. I also find the KFC suppliers' alleged treatment of their animals rather disgusting. I have been told, though, that I hate animals since I refuse to march lockstep with PETA, but that's that whole "nannying, hectoring tone" you're talking about.

Author:	Shwoo [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:30 am ]
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Quote: But Berlin Zoo holds different opinions. Its chief vet Andre Schuele says the activists' criticisms would make him angry if he could take them seriously. At least the zoo isn't heeding the suggestion or anything.

Author:	MooKoo [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:33 pm ]
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Droideka wrote: Isn't this one of the most hypocritical things you've ever heard of? I mean, seriously, they want a HEALTHY bear killed simply because it's being fed by hand instead by it's mother. You took the words right out of my mouth. So yes, that is my opinion on the subject. DUMB!!

Author:	Shippinator Mandy [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:48 pm ]
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bwave wrote: I can't stand the allergic reactions. That's another reason for me to avoid fish. My dad is deathly allergic to seafood. I dunno if stuff like that is hereditary, though. Droideka wrote: About fish: It has to be cooked a certain way (Battered and fried, or grilled), or I don't like it. Lemon juice ruins fish. Now see, I can't stand the scent either way. When we went to England, at one point everyone else went out for fish and chips and brought 'em into the apartment. The smell was simply nauseating. (I respect the fact that some people enjoy fish, of course; I just don't particularly like being around 'em when they're eating it!) As for health issues and stuff, I've always been tall and skinny. I've evened out a bit recently, but I'm still slender (about 5'4" and about 111 pounds). The weight can be attributed to having a really fast metabolism. (This was inherited from my dad.) However, I also have a tendency to get sick a lot, though I might just be a hypochondriac or something. (Not deathly ill, just unpleasantly ill.) Not sure if that's attributable to a lack of protein or something (though I DO get plenty of protein from non-meat sources), however. Maybe I'm just somewhat sickly. :/ Anyway, toastpaint. Hi Guys and I are going on some sort of adventure to save the bear. I'm his wisecracking, incompetent sidekick! ^^ Also... homerstarrun70fireboy wrote: [s]this[/s] This is [s]horribl[/s] horrible! [s]these[/s] These [s]poeple[/s] people need to go to [s]jeil[/s] jail for being so mean! There, fixed. Please start using proper spelling and grammar, typing like you do will earn you no respect here. Also, you can't go to jail for being a jerk. (If you could, I'd prolly be incarcerated.)

Author:	ChickenLeg [ Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:43 pm ]
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Shippinator Mandy wrote: homerstarrun70fireboy wrote: [s]this[/s] This is [s]horribl[/s] horrible! [s]these[/s] These [s]poeple[/s] people need to go to [s]jeil[/s] jail for being so mean! There, fixed. Please start using proper spelling and grammar, typing like you do will earn you no respect here. Also, you can't go to jail for being a jerk. (If you could, I'd prolly be incarcerated.) Thank you, Mandy. You win Internets for a Day. Kef has a point. If animals had the realization that they'd die, they'd most likely would refuse to die. And probably go and start riots when some apocalypse thing for them happen.