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Author:  Shwoo [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:37 am ]
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I got 81% US Philosophy, 9% American Pride, 26% Involvement, and 0% Citizen Status. Some of the questions were a bit extreme. In the last part I was choosing between answers I disagreed with slightly less.

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Episodes in U.S. history such as the California Gold Rush...
*Prove what the American Dream is all about: an ability, unheard of in the rest of the world, for someone to rise from nothing to fame and fortune.
*Prove what the American Dream is all about: pipe dreams, fueled by greed and selfishness, that usually wind up fruitless and in despair.

...Australia had a gold rush as well, you know.
Author:  PianoManGidley [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:22 pm ]
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62% US Philosophy, 36% American Pride, 40% Involvement, and 100% Citizen Status!

Yay me! Hehe. I must admit, though, I'm still basically concerned with one primary aspect of politics more than any other. A few things other than gay rights DO get my attention (like Intelligent Design being taught in science class), but for the most part, I'm still struggling to find my own sense of equality in this nation.
Author:  StrongRad [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:16 pm ]
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I have to admit, it felt like this test was funneling me in one direction or another at times. I really didn't like how it lumped things together that don't really seem to go together (eminent domain and the draft, for example). I also hated how there were no "meh" type answers, only rather extreme answers, for some questions. In a rather large quiz, this would balance out, but in a 60 some odd question test, I really don't see how it would.

I finished the test, but I really don't remember how I did.
Author:  PianoManGidley [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:37 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote:
I also hated how there were no "meh" type answers, only rather extreme answers, for some questions. In a rather large quiz, this would balance out, but in a 60 some odd question test, I really don't see how it would.


I agree. There were some questions where my answer SHOULD have been "In certain circumstances only" or "I have no opinion"...but those options weren't available.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:40 pm ]
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Patriotic

You scored 68% US Philosophy, 63% American Pride, 33% Involvement, and 100% Citizen Status!

See that. I do have pride in being an American.
Author:  StrongRad [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:30 pm ]
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PianoManGidley wrote:
StrongRad wrote:
I also hated how there were no "meh" type answers, only rather extreme answers, for some questions. In a rather large quiz, this would balance out, but in a 60 some odd question test, I really don't see how it would.


I agree. There were some questions where my answer SHOULD have been "In certain circumstances only" or "I have no opinion"...but those options weren't available.

One of the ones I was thinking about was flag burning.
One option said something like "It's free speech and can be used to make valid political points." The other said something like "It's disgusting, disrespectful, and should be banned."

My personal opinion is a mix of the two. I think it's disgusting, vile, and disrespectful to everyone that's ever fought under it (or for it). On the other hand it's free speech, and I have yet to find anything in the 1st Amendment saying that it does not protect offensive, disrespectful, or stupid speech. My guess is that the "it's free speech" option lowered your "patriotism" score.
Author:  furrykef [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:59 pm ]
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75% Patriotism, 54% Pride, 6% Involvement, 100% Citizen. To my surprise, it declared me Patriotic, when I expected it to tell me I hate America. Nice to see Ann Coulter didn't design the test. :p

I don't think the questions were particularly well-chosen for an objective analysis, but I doubt that's what they were going for. I think they deliberately gave polarizing choices that many people won't agree with, to force you to think (or maybe just to see which outrageous choice is more tolerable to people).

I think the questions that tripped me up the most were the "Was this war justified?" questions. I wasn't even sure what they were asking me at first, and for some of the wars I had to look them up just to form an opinion (particularly the Mexican-American war and the Spanish-American war).

- Kef
Author:  furrykef [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:31 pm ]
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Yeltensic wrote:
..wait, was there a question like that for the Civil War?


Nope.

BTW, while looking it up on Wikipedia, I found out that some historians call the Gulf War the second Gulf War, which would make this one the third. The first one was the Anglo-Iraqi War in 1941, though the United States was not involved.

EDIT: Fixed link. Don't know why I used a quote tag instead of a url tag.

- Kef
Author:  Mike D [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:16 pm ]
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Patriotic: 71% US Philosophy, 60% American Pride, 73% Involvement, and 100% Citizen Status. This accurately reflects my view that our nation is founded on solid ideals but does not always live up to them.

Mike
Author:  ready for prime time [ Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:12 am ]
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Somewhat Patriotic
You scored 59% US Philosophy, 27% American Pride, 0% Involvement, and 0% Citizen Status!

that's right.
Author:  Code J [ Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:47 pm ]
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78% US Philosophy, 24% American Pride, 60% Involvement, and 100% Citizen. Interesting.
Author:  Goatface [ Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:32 am ]
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Patriotic
You scored 68% US Philosophy, 36% American Pride, 46% Involvement, and 100% Citizen Status!

I scored patriotic, despite being liberal on most issues and saying that I wasn't proud of being an American, simply because I wrote that all the wars were justified from America's point of view. But the thing is it's from America's point of view. In almost every situation, every action taken in wars is justified by the nations that took them.

Basically, I'm saying that I'm not really that patirotic guys.
Author:  putitinyourshoe [ Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:23 pm ]
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i couldn't get through the thing. mostly because i know i was going to get pathetic marks, but also because i couldn't help but feel like watching cable news and discussing politics with halfwits (friends and coworkers) and writing to gov't about problems (yeah, right.) were things the test considered "good" or whatever.

so let's say i got 2% on everything. dang, i suck.
Author:  furrykef [ Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:06 pm ]
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Goatface wrote:
I scored patriotic, despite being liberal on most issues and saying that I wasn't proud of being an American, simply because I wrote that all the wars were justified from America's point of view. But the thing is it's from America's point of view. In almost every situation, every action taken in wars is justified by the nations that took them.


Those questions tripped me up, too, but I think what they really meant was "Do you think America was justified in participating in this war?" It was just very badly worded...

- Kef
Author:  PianoManGidley [ Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:34 pm ]
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furrykef wrote:
Goatface wrote:
I scored patriotic, despite being liberal on most issues and saying that I wasn't proud of being an American, simply because I wrote that all the wars were justified from America's point of view. But the thing is it's from America's point of view. In almost every situation, every action taken in wars is justified by the nations that took them.


Those questions tripped me up, too, but I think what they really meant was "Do you think America was justified in participating in this war?" It was just very badly worded...

- Kef


Not only that, but a poor question in general, because hindsight is 20/20. To accurately answer that question, we would have to put ourselves in the shoes of someone our age during the time that the war was starting, which would then have to take into account the various differences in society at large, leading to differences in social conditioning, leading to, effectively, a difference in our own personalities as partially defined by socialization. In essense, the question becomes unanswerable, simply because we would either answer as someone other than ourselves, or answer as an individual who has the foresight to see both the short-term and long-term impacts of the results of the end of the war, which makes for a biased answer. It's easy to say the South was wrong in the Civil War because they lost, just as it's easy to say that it was wrong for us to enter Vietnam because we didn't really win and just pulled out before it all resolved...after too many American lives had been lost.
Author:  furrykef [ Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:44 pm ]
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Knowing the outcome can help determine whether it was in fact justified, though (though it's only one factor). If you go to war with the assumption that you'll win, and you fail, then something was wrong with the assumption.

- Kef
Author:  PianoManGidley [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:04 am ]
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But the true litmus test, I would think, lies in how an individual (or a society or country as a whole) can justify going into a war BEFORE they have done so--not after. It's seing the problem and taking into account all the possible outcomes of all the possible responses to the problem, and finally deciding that war is the best course of action. THAT is true justification, IMO. Justifying something after it's completed is justification using the crutch of hindsight.
Author:  Wesstarrunner [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:28 am ]
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You scored 62% US Philosophy, 81% American Pride, 66% Involvement, and 100% Citizen Status!

(You people ran me off! You better be happy your resident religious fanatic is back!:p[Seriously I'm being sarcastic])
Author:  Simon Zeno [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:48 am ]
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You scored 68% US Philosophy, 33% American Pride, 40% Involvement, and 100% Citizen Status!

Man, I must've answered all of those citizenship questions right...
Author:  Didymus [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:51 am ]
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I have just one thing to say:

TFZZDEVBZ!
Author:  StrongstarRunbad [ Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:46 am ]
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Yeltensic wrote:
I said No for the Mexican-American War, Yes for the Civil War, No for the Spanish-American War, Yes for World War I, Yes for World War II, Yes for the Korean War, No for the Vietnam War, Yes for the first Gulf War, No for the second Gulf War.

..wait, was there a question like that for the Civil War? I can't remember now. Oh well.

I said no to all the wars.
Author:  furrykef [ Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:49 am ]
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Why?
Author:  StrongRad [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:12 am ]
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Yeltensic wrote:
What would you have done about the guy whose pic is my avvie?

Time travel- make sure his art school application gets approved. Image
Author:  Simon Zeno [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:25 am ]
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Yeah right, everyone knows that if a Jewish person ever wanted to conquer the world, they'd do it economically, not militarily.


LOLOLOLOL STEREOTYPING!
Author:  Shwoo [ Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:11 am ]
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I feel like quoting Discworld.

Terry Pratchett wrote:
Shoot the dictator and prevent the war? But the dictator is merely the tip of the whole festering boil of social pus from which dictators emerge; shoot one, and there'll be another one along in a minute. Shoot him too? Why not shoot everyone and invade Poland? In fifty years', thirty years' ten years' time the world will be very nearly back on its old course.


I kind of agree with him. Hitler wasn't alone in his anti-Semitism, or he wouldn't have got the support that he did, not matter how charismatic he was.

I know next to nothing about Nazi Germany, sorry.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:18 am ]
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Shwoo wrote:
I kind of agree with him. Hitler wasn't alone in his anti-Semitism, or he wouldn't have got the support that he did, not matter how charismatic he was.
Well one thing you have to understand about Germany back in Hitler's days was that they were so desperate. The sanctions that the Treaty of Versailles put on Germany were so harsh that they were basically reduced to being a Third World Country. The Deutschmark was so weak that people were using it to heat there homes. And then comes Hitler and he gives the people of Germany the one thing they have been hoping for since the end of WWI: hope. These people were so desperate that they would listen to anyone and believe them.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:51 am ]
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Yeltensic wrote:
...and, also, they were anti-Semites.
Germany has had a long history of Anti-Semitism.

But we are getting way off-topic here.

Toastpaint, bitte.
Author:  Didymus [ Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:33 pm ]
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Not sure, but here's some dancing Nazi girls.
Image
Author:  MC Otaku [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:43 am ]
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Yeltensic wrote:
Somewhat Patriotic
You scored 37% US Philosophy, 81% American Pride, 73% Involvement, and 100% Citizen Status!
This test measured you according to four criteria: Philosophy, Pride, Involvement and Citizen Status.


My score was almost exactly the same.
Author:  DeathlyPallor [ Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:31 am ]
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You scored 71% US Philosophy, 0% American Pride, 53% Involvement, and 100% Citizen Status!

I just have differing ideas, is all. I suppose dissent makes me a pinko. Couldn't be happier.
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