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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:05 am 
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So, what are you telling me, Didy, you in your own foolish pride and zealotry would condemn a woman who wishes this of themselves to suffer and die? Theoretically, you just told me that you are okay with being the hand that commits the murder... And that you yourself are okay with killing someone without provocation... all because the Bible told you so. That makes me sick.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. How can you say you treasure what your God calls a gift; life, and then be so quick to take it away from someone.

You're just being a little bit silly, sir. Pregnancy doesnt kill you, it makes a baby come out of you. And all of the "the woman can die in childbirth" argument is a big infallacy. I hear it all the time. Less than a tenth of a percent of women who go into labor die from it, but 100 percent of babies subjected to abortion die.

Keep this in mind as well: The woman put herself in this position in most cases (Excluding rape).

Why is it so hard for some people to figure out how to wear protection?

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Moral of the story, you aren't getting an abortion, so leave them alone and leave the issue alone. It's better that they get it in a clinic than sacrifice not only their life and/or the life of their child in a dingy secret backalley procedure. And by Biblical logic, that would be taking two lives instead of one.
Oh, jeez, that was full of hipocrisy. You just admitted that abortion is taking a life! How can you admit that abortion is taking a life, then act as though being against it is a bad thing? And quite frankly, people wouldnt put themselves in that position if they didnt have abortion as their "safety blanket". They wouldnt all go to "backalley abortionists" or the such.


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I see nothing especially wrong with aborting fetuses who are going to be born disabled. Why would we want more disabled people to be born? I would love to see disability become a thing of the past.
Well, by that logic, why don't we kill all disabled people? Have you asked any disabled people lately if they wish they hadn't been born? We could end world hunger by bombing all the hungry and poverty by just killing the poor too... but that doesn't make it right.

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Apparently, Yeltensic, you missed THIS ANSWER to that very issue:
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And I would ask this question: suppose he or she was a child already born, and had disabilities or as they used to call them, "birth defects." Do we abandon the child to die? Or, for that matter, if it were an adult with disabilities? I have known plenty of parents who have had disabled children, and have just as much joy and love for them as any parent of a healthy child, despite the extra efforts they must put into their care of them. Just ask Stinko Girl. Her brother is mentally disabled; ask her if she'd rather not have her brother (sorry if I'm intruding here, Hannah, but I know how deeply you feel for your brother). I've also known people whose parents were physically and/or mentally disabled, and yet they still love and care for them.

Honestly, I see no difference here. If a child can be loved, even when disabled, then why deny that?

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Well yeah, if I were born disabled I would be glad in hindsight that I had been born. (unless I were like Teri Schiavo, in which case I wouldn't have any clue what's going on in the first place.)
Umm, she wasn't born disabled, she became disabled when her brain was deprived of oxygen due to respiratory and cardiac arrest.

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I didn't miss it. My post wasn't intended to be a direct counter to anything that you or anyone else had already said, I was just stating my personal opinion on the matter.
*Looks at Yeltensic's avatar*

You two do have a lot in common.

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Still, Yelt, that's your choice. And if you want to make sure of it, you might want to go ahead and fill out your advanced directives, specifying that you do not wish to be placed on life support. But that hardly qualifies you to speak on behalf of all disabled people everywhere, or all potentially disabled people.

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I didn't say that, only that, "I would if it was me," doesn't exactly make the best argument for all cases.

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