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I think your an idiot who likes typing until you break a finger.

There are thousands of ways to disagree with another person, and I think you just picked one of the dumbest. There are a lot of dissenting opinions about hundreds of subjects on this forum, and our ability to be respectful when discussing them is the reason it is successful.

And..in english?

Use a dictionary, meeko. And if you can't understand what the grown-ups are saying, then you might be well-advised not to post on their threads.

To save you a little trouble, I'll explain. RacerX basically pointed out that your post adds nothing to the discussion except insult. That's no way to convince an opponent of anything. If you want to refute Kef's statements, then use logic, reason, etc.

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Being able to disagree with someone respectfully is a good thing.

Does the package have a troll in it? Or maybe a troll?

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I have some little question for Evilution-believers.

1:Where is your proff?

2: How come we haven't evolved yet?

3:Why are monkeys still here?

4: Have you ever picked up a bible and read it?

Answer, please

This has got to be a joke. I'm gonna answer anyway. Why? 'Cause I have nothing better to do.

1. What's a proff? Professor? My professor's at college, thanks. If on the other hand you meant proof, even an elementary school textbook can get you started there. My really really long post provides a few examples, pointing to geology, for instance, but since that wasn't the main point of my post you'll have to dig through it. Like a paleontologist digging for dinosaurs. Heh heh.

2. Who says we haven't?

3. Apes, not monkeys, and because apes and humans have divergent evolutionary paths. It's not that one evolved and the other didn't, but rather that they both evolved from the same creature.

4. Yes. I was a Christian once. Even when I was, though, I "believed" in evolution because I could not find any adequate alternate explanations, and the Bible itself certainly doesn't provide any for me.

- Kef

As a Christian who does not accept all the presuppositions of evolution, I will answer this question.

1. Where is OUR proof? Or haven't you ever read where it says, "Faith is the substance of things unseen."

2. Who says we haven't or aren't in the process right now?

3. No one ever claimed that our ancestors were modern-day monkeys, but rather that apes and humans have common ancestry. I am not convinced of this myself; I am only pointing out the flaw in your question.

4. If someone begins with the presupposition that the Bible is not God's Word, then what good will reading it do for them?

Calling it "Evilution" is not the basis of a logical argument. On the contrary, the statement simply serves to alienate those who might otherwise be willing to converse with you on the topic. In debate, it is what is known as "ad hominem" arguing (that is, insulting your opponent rather than actually addressing his evidence). Go and learn what this means: "Be as wise as serpents but gentle as doves."

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No, but it was part of the original thread title

I meant PROOF. And here's proof of God (source: Comedian Taylor Mason) THE CROCODILE HUNTER! Why? Because if it wasn't for God, he'd be dead!

Hi. I posted a link because I thought the National Geographic feature would be interesting, not because I thought the blog post had any merit. I don't know who writes the blog, and I've never read any other post on that site; I just came upon it in my surfings. The blog post had a nice scan of the cover and the first page, and that's why I linked to it. And you guys wonder why people shy away from the R&P forum.

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Thanks for completely ignoring our posts. Stop joking around or get out of there, thanks.

I'm a creationist. I don't see how either could have possibly happened, but creation seems to make much more sense than evolution.

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I think I won the powerball. -Homsar

What exactly are your beliefs, though?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/login.aspx?ci=14107

I am boggled.

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I'm not boggled.

1. Polls aren't worth trusting
2. This is the United States, what do you expect?

Especially Gallop, they're right wing biased.

w00t! 90 posts!

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So they put the "gall" in "gallup"?

Alrighty, better late than never I suppose...

I'm a hardcore non-creationist, mainly because I'm a hardcore anti-Christian, and that's because I'm a super-duper hardcore person hating guy of religion. I'd find the concept of people believing an invisible man created everything and is controlling everything laughable, but looking at all the atrocities and great evils that have been done 'in his name' over the last few thousand years, it's more of a felling of utter contempt...

Thetofurunner, you say you belive in creationism 'because it makes more sense'? How is that possible? Yes, evolution is an infinitely complex puzzle that we may never fully understand, but saying that an all-powerful deity just made everything up just because you don't understand it is ridiculous. That'd be like you saying a carburetor works because god makes it work, nevermind how it really works (that's not an insult, I couldn't point out a carburetor, let alone tell you how it works myself...)

Since I don't feel like looking back any further than that to quote people, I'll make half-arsed generalizations. Those who asked why we haven't evolved in the past few thousand years? Gee, I don't know, maybe because it takes a good MILLION years to make any noticeable change. A mommy animal doesn't just squeeze out a different species in one lay you know. But wait! Maybe we HAVE evolved a bit! Look back to the remains of old civilizations, people were a LOT shorter back then. And you can't chalk that up to all the extra hormones in the milk and beef either. Also, it's safe to assume that human brain power has increased over the milinea. There isn't much room for comparison, and the fact that the ancient Romans and Egyptians were able to build elaborate, geometrically perfect buildings, while most people can't do 7x9 without a calculator today (guilty) kind of throws that hypothesis out the window...

Anyway, yes, I belive in evolution. And I'd sooner start worshiping some random animal like the Native Americans did than belive in god, let alone he/she/it created us...

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Dr. Zaius

First of all, you might want to actually take the time to read the whole thread, as well as some of the other related threads. You might learn a few things.


What about atrocities committed in the name of atheism, like in communist Russia, China, Nazi Germany, and 18th century France? Let's not forget those, now. And while we're at it, let's not forget all the great things that religious people do as well, for example, caring for the elderly (I work at Lutheran Senior Services), building hospitals, running soup kitchens, and such? You judge pretty harshly, and I'd encourage you to take a look at the whole picture before doing so.


I'm glad you recognize the flaw in your argument. If you are comparing human intelligence through history, then you cannot say for certain that we have become more intelligent. There is very strong evidence that, prior to the proliferation of writing, ancient people had much better memories than we do. It is true that we have more technology, but all technology is built upon previous works. I sincerely doubt that Bill Gates is any less of a genius than Homer.

Incidentally, there is very strong scientific evidence that Neaderthals were at least as intelligent as modern homo sapiens.

In short, while your post gave you a great opportunity to expound on your hatred of religion, it really contributed no new information or argument to the issue.

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I'm not going to argue about the main points (this is the wrong thread anyway), just a of couple niggling details.



I don't think it was done "in the name of atheism", because they didn't use their atheism as the rationale for their actions, it was just a trait that they had. The guys who went on the Crusades, however, did use Christianity as their rationale, the very reason why they were doing it.



I think, given the context, you meant "any more of a genius".

- Kef

I've had a long day. I was on call tonight. Yes, that is what I meant.

My point about the atrocities: people commit them and find all sorts of justification for doing so. For France, it was all in the name of freedom; nevermind that people were robbed of their freedom (and/or lives) in the process. For Nazi Germany, it was racial purity. For Russia and China, it was the good of the state.

I don't think the Crusades trump card is valid. I don't believe that a few wars fought by a few misguided Christians over 700 years ago in any way invalidates the good we do today. Anyone who does is more than welcome to come to Lutheran Senior Services with me and explain that to the elderly people I minister to.

I think you understand my point, kef. You once rose to our defense in another thread, as I recall.

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The reason I don't care about all the good religion has done, is because it's irrelevant. Goodness doesn't have to come from the divine. Communism shows us that (true communism, not that half-arsed crap all those toleration states have tried to pass off as communism) Goodness can come from the desire to do good. Evil needs a reason. National pride, racial pride, or religious pride are all the driving forces behind the worst examples of evil. National pride can be done away with by casting aside petty notions of patriotism, we're all citizens of Earth. Racial pride can be done away with by acknowledging that we're all human, no one people are better than another. That goes hand and hand with the national thing. Now that leaves religious pride, which is the most dangerous, as the religions themselves state that each is the only true one, and all others are evil. There's no dogma behind national or racial pride, it's just people making stuff up...

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Right. And from now on in this thread, I'd like to see discussion involving the merits of the positions of creationism and evolution rather than attacks on science or religion. In other words, keep it on topic, guys.

I don't think it's irrelevant at all. My reasons for serving at LSS are out of love for God as well as love for my fellow man. In fact, I would contend that my own love of my fellow man grows out of my love for God, particularly a God who created man in his own image, and who himself became a man.

I don't think that evil so much NEEDS a reason so much as evil FINDS a reason. Human beings are fundamentally flawed that way; they do bad things and then look for ways to justify the evil that they do. Your argument that religious reasons are the most dangerous is flawed that way; religion itself does not make people more dangerous, it's just a more convenient reason. Racial or national pride are every bit as irrational, if not more so. And even if these options weren't available, evil people would find yet others to justify their evil deeds.

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So much for keeping things on topic.

Sorry, kef. But I had to respond to his last remarks. I'm not sure why. I've already been over all this with that fossilizedapostle guy months ago.

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Speaking of responding to remarks, that long post I made (the third one down from the top on the previous page) is still sitting there, lonely and relatively unanswered...

So, I was to know something you posted a month ago, when I only joined this forum like 3 days ago? Sure, I'll buy that. Also, just because you 'went over' something already doesn't mean you're not immune from opposition...

With that said, back to creationism! It's not easy to debunk that concept without debunking religion, it's not like science where every field is independent and there are as many theories as there are people studying it. The thing about religion, is that they tend to follow a set standard, unchanged, for a very long time. But when something becomes incontinent for them, they tend to 'change things' to fit their needs. That's why it annoys me a great deal when people say "god works through science" or "god made evolution". That's just petty. Scientific theory requires a great deal of evidence and research to be at least half credible, while religion can just say "that's how it is" at the drop of a hat...

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