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| Author: | Inverse Tiger [ Tue May 08, 2007 3:08 am ] |
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furrykef wrote: *starts painting toast* furrykef wrote: *continues painting the toast, now in vibrant rainbow colors*
NOT CULT THREAD GET BACK TO WORK I'd just like to modify a statement in my post up there. I said I'd probably be in the same place I am now, but I'd like to add to that what PianoMan said in his post. I was also assuming that everything else that could be the same would be the same. Of course those little differences he mentioned would have added up in reality, making all the speculation pointless. Also, the specific tenets of Catholicism are basically habits by now, ones that I've had to notice and break consciously, and I find more practically every day. These habits deeply effect my daily choices. So, really, I have to admit that if I was born into another religion with another set of values, who knows, I may have picked up another religion by now, maybe gone back to it, may have gone full out atheist, or maybe I'd be dead, who knows! |
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| Author: | HHFOV [ Tue May 08, 2007 8:57 pm ] |
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Well, I'm a Christian born of two Atheists, so I figure I'd be about as likely to become Christian from any other starting point. Also wut PMG sed. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Tue May 08, 2007 9:40 pm ] |
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: Well, I'm a Christian born of two Atheists, so I figure I'd be about as likely to become Christian from any other starting point. Also wut PMG sed.
Well, that depends... I mean if you were in a "meh, we don't really believe" atheist family, you'd be a lot more likely to become Christian than you would in a militantly anti-religion one (unless, of course, you were the rebellious type: "YOU KNOW WHAT?!? MOM AND DAD, I'M GOING TO BECOME CHRISTIAN AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!"). |
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| Author: | HHFOV [ Tue May 08, 2007 9:50 pm ] |
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I think my family swings in between the two. In polite company, they're all "Well, there's not sufficient proof *shrug*" while in private they've referrred to religious assemblies as "Mumbo Jumbo Huts". In my case, it wasn't really about being rebellious. I just think that the role of "open-minded/close-minded" has largely been swapped in the past decade or so. Now, people who claim to be all open-minded and questioning of authority generally regard religion as mindless balderdash, in spite of evidence for it, while a majority of those whom they accuse are vice versa. *Note: "Generally" and "majority" used so that no one can declare "lol hfov = raicst streotip, you are goeing to jeil for that" |
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| Author: | Acekirby [ Wed May 09, 2007 4:17 am ] |
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DukeNuke wrote: If you were born and raised into a diffrent religion, world view, and/or philosophy, do you think you would have stayed with that one, or rejected it and found the one you have now?
Um, I probably would have stayed with that one... I'm not huge on religion. I believe in God and Jesus and all that, but I never go to Church. I've never been baptized or anything. I'm a Christian, but a loose one. If I was born a Muslim I'd probably be a Muslim. *shrug* |
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| Author: | goldone [ Tue May 15, 2007 9:18 pm ] |
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For me it depends... If I were raised into a household where I had the same literary resources I have now, and if the relgion or philosphy was only lightly pushed, I'd probably have the same philosphy and the same beliefs I have now. But if the relgion or philosphy was strongly pushed and I did not have access to the literary rescources I have, I would probably believe in whatever religion or philosphy was pushed on me. |
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| Author: | barwhack [ Wed May 16, 2007 5:34 am ] |
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"If you had come from another background, where would you have ended up?" Aside from Didymus's application of C.S.Lewis's (Aslan's) comment: "no one is ever told what would have happened", I'd say there is an implicit question concerning a deep primary truth; without affirmation of which, there can be no persuasion.
Inverse Tiger summarily wrote: *searching* Look over these presentations of physical (first three) and scriptural evidence:This list has several long videos of presentations given by people I respect: Don Patton and Tom Russel are among the speakers; they're googlable I think. The Titles you should consider watching, in my priority order are:
So YES, you can change from what you were born into. And I contend that, since there is only one Truth, you must change from anything other than that; and you must hold it once you've got it. But it's easier than all that really: no one is born into Christianity (in distinction to any supposed/false/pseudo subtype of it); that's not how God chose to do it; not what's revealed. All Christians convert from something else. And they do it by following evidence. |
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| Author: | furrykef [ Wed May 16, 2007 8:05 am ] |
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But that people are products of their environment is still inescapable. We like to look at the past and say that we wouldn't do the same things other people did. For example, "Well, if I were born a white man in the southern United States in the late 1700s, *I* wouldn't own any slaves...", or maybe "Well, if I were born in Ancient Greece, *I* wouldn't be a pederast and subjugate women...", or "If I were born in Germany in the late 1800s, *I* wouldn't be a Nazi..." But it doesn't work like that. If you were born in those places in those time periods, you would be like everybody else, because there would be no reason for you not to. Now, I know that in many respects, I'm not like most people, but I'm still a product of my place and times. Enlightenment must come from nurture as well as nature. - Kef |
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