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Author:  lahimatoa [ Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:55 pm ]
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Yep, eugenics, or the practice of selective breeding, actually started in the United States. So did state-mandated sterilization.

Then the Nazis picked that ball up and ran with it, much to the dismay of the eugenics supporters in the U.S. Kinda ruined it for everyone, darn Germans. :)

They also used to give prizes to the most "genetically pure" family at state fairs. Creepy.
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:44 am ]
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In todays day and age, what would be the set standard for Castration or Ovaries removed?

Wouldn't Castration be some form of cruel and unusual punishment?
"Hey, you can't breed because you're an idiot, put it on the slab."
"What?!?!"
Author:  Amorican [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:15 am ]
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Be careful with eugenics, good people, because we all know what happens:
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Oh wait, this isn't the joke thread. . . .

Compulsory sterilization is a horrible human rights violation. That is all.
Author:  StrongRad [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:25 am ]
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Amorican wrote:
Compulsory sterilization is a horrible human rights violation. That is all.

Would you say that about a rapist? Rape is a conscious choice to violate someone's rights.

Yeah, in general, though, you're right. It'd be pretty bad to just randomly decide that someone is unfit for breeding.
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:04 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote:
It'd be pretty bad to just randomly decide that someone is unfit for breeding.
It wouldnt be random, it would have to conform to a set rule of Standards.

Lets say we put new borns into a sort of Monitored lifestyle. Everyday, their actions would be recorded on tape from all Angles. Every five years, they would take an IQ test set for the standard of their age, and they would take one every year when they turn age 12. As the scores of each test from age 12 to 21 are averaged into one final and overall Score. If it is less than 10 points under the set IQ for Breeding Qualifications, they would either be Castrated/Vasectamized, or get their Tubes tied/Uterus removed. If it were within the Leeway, you would get your Breeding License but would still be Monitored and given an IQ test every year. If they commit a Crime, or score below their teenaged Average, their license become revoked. If they scored less than their average, but still within the Leeway marks, it only gets revoked until the IQ goes up. If they get below their average and below the Leeway point, they get their license revoked, and Vasectamized/tubes tied.
If they commit a crime, depending on how severe the crime is, the punishment would reflect it.
Misdemeanor/infraction=Revoked License, or no License at all if under age.
felony/Indictable=Revoked License, Vasectamized/Tied Tubes.
Anything More Severe=Revoked license, Vasectamized/tied tubes, And Castration/Removal of Uterus.
One man would be chosen as the Strongest, smartest man. He would then be paired with the Smartest, Strongest woman. His sperm and Her Eggs would be examined, and the ones that will end up creating the perfect Child would be taken, Cloned, and birthed in Hybrid birthing facilities. They would go on to be trained in the skills of Combat, Higher Level schooling, and Artisan survival skills. These children will grow into the perfect military. They will defend their country and will never question their superiors. It would be perfect.

Of course, the people who are old enough to say "hell no" to this would die out eventually, and the country, nay, the world, would end up a perfect working Nation of Perfect and uniform citizens loyal to command and country. This is the dream of every Dictator born.
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Author:  DarkSideOfTheSchwartz [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:04 pm ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
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Yes, bring on the pink floyd dictatorship
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:21 pm ]
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DarkSideOfTheSchwartz wrote:
Yes, bring on the pink floyd dictatorship
I couldn't think of a better image than the Hammers.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:27 pm ]
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If I wanted to live in a dictatorship, COLA, I wouldn't want to live here.
Author:  Amorican [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:39 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote:
Would you say that about a rapist? Rape is a conscious choice to violate someone's rights.


What? Huh? What does that have to do with anything? We agree, obviously, but I don't see the connection to the topic.

edit: Wait, are you asking if I think we should castrate the rapist?
No.

COLA wrote:
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Pink Floyd - In The Flesh wrote:
Are there any queers in the theatre tonight?
Get 'em up against the wall. -- 'Gainst the wall!
And that one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me.
Get him up against the wall. -- 'Gainst the wall!
And that one looks Jewish, and that one's a coon.
Who let all this riffraff into the room?
There's one smoking a joint, and another with spots!
If I had my way I'd have all of ya shot.
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:50 pm ]
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IantheGecko wrote:
If I wanted to live in a dictatorship, COLA, I wouldn't want to live here.
If you think thats how I would rule, You grossly misjudge my rule.

I'll tell you later, I gotta get some Chicken in me.
Author:  Shippinator Mandy [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:41 pm ]
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lahimatoa wrote:
Kinda ruined it for everyone, darn Germans. :)


...You DO realize that Germans AS A WHOLE aren't like that, don't you? -_-

Anyway, "selective breeding" is, in my opinion, a bad thing. As for rapists, I vote that we chop their balls off, sans anesthetic. (Assuming that they're men, of course; I'm pretty sure males represent the majority of rapists, if only because, considering their anatomy, it's more *ahem* POSSIBLE. (Also, I can't think of a female equivalent to that punishment.) I probably sound horribly sexist here, but believe me, I'm not--I know most men, and certainly all you guys here, find rape absolutely reprehensible.)

And no, I am not kidding about that.
Author:  Marshmallow Roast [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:11 pm ]
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Shippinator Mandy wrote:
As for rapists, I vote that we chop their balls off, sans anesthetic.

...

(Also, I can't think of a female equivalent to that punishment.)


First off, I totally don't think that's fair. What about rapists who change? What about those who realize the error of their ways, become changed people, and want to go on to have mutual and real relationships? I mean, people CAN change, you know.

And secondly, there are several practices that may not be as easy, but are still as painful and wrong, that are done to girls. (That link is Wikipedia, so there are several anatomical diagrams, but nothing really offensive.)
Author:  Didymus [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:45 pm ]
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Perhaps in the case of a one-time rapist, it might be acceptable to impose a less drastic punishment, such as incarceration, restitution (I do think the victim should be compensated somehow for the crime). But in cases of serial rapists or multiple offenders, then surgical castration is in order (though I do not necessarily agree with "sans anesthetic" - something about "cruel and unusual punishment").
Author:  IantheGecko [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:52 pm ]
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Side note for Mandy: The female equivalents would be a hysterectomy (removal of the uterus), oviariotomy (ovaries removed) or a tubal ligation ("tubes tied").
Author:  Didymus [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:57 pm ]
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Not quite, Ian. I don't think Mandy intends so much that they be deprived of the ability to reproduce, so much as deprived of the ability to engage in intercourse entirely. Sort of, "Abuse it and lose it." At least that's what I gather.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:59 pm ]
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It would be pretty hard to "do it" if a woman didn't have a uterus; where would the guy put...OK, I am done.
Author:  StrongRad [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:35 pm ]
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Didymus wrote:
"sans anesthetic" - something about "cruel and unusual punishment").

I always viewed "Cruel and Unusual" as a relative thing. Given the pure trauma a rape victim goes through, sans anesthetic is probably not that cruel.
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:43 am ]
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IantheGecko wrote:
It would be pretty hard to "do it" if a woman didn't have a uterus;
GB2/ANATOMY CLASS
Author:  Didymus [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:12 pm ]
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From my own reading on the subject (one of my parishioners underwent a hysterectomy about a month ago), it still leaves the vagina more or less intact.
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