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| Author: | StrongRad [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:22 am ] |
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Didymus wrote: Well, I'm one of those "religious institution" leaders that only cares about controlling people's lives and using them for my own purposes. So I'm just lying to people, anyway.
Was that so hard to admit? Shall I call Rosalie and tell him/her/it you're ready to kiss and make up? |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:23 am ] |
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Only if she'll marry me and have my babies. So I can teach them all my lies and stuff. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:30 am ] |
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Didymus wrote: Only if she'll marry me and have my babies. So I can teach them all my lies and stuff.
Roffle. Seriously, I don't really have too many beliefs that I've changed. I've moderated some of them, but I haven't gone to the "other side" on anything. It's not to say I haven't questioned any, though. Usually, the moderation comes about when I look at a belief and realize that it doesn't really fit who I am or that I don't really care that much about it anymore. Abortion was one of those issues. I used to be totally against it unless the mother's life was in danger. Now, I'm not as sure. I'm not so much against it as I am very uncomfortable with it. I'm sure some would say that I fear change, but it's not that I fear change as much as it is that my beliefs seem to follow Newton's First Law. That is, they stay what they are until something compels them to change. The beliefs I have (and have held for a long time) are still around because I haven't had a good reason to change them. |
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| Author: | Wesstarrunner [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:51 am ] |
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Why don't we list beliefs that have changed or something! I'll start: I don't believe my morals should be forced on others anymore. I haven't changed my morals that I personally follow that much, but I have changed that stance. It's weird. And now I consider myself a libertarian. And Didymus, I said take it with a grain of salt, don't put yourself down like that. 
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| Author: | STupendous7 [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:06 am ] |
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Well, religiously, I was raised in a Reformed Presbyterian Church, and I have studied up some on why we believe what we believe, and I found that everything is Biblical, and there is nothing against it as far as I can tell. Politically, I don't really know; I'll have to chose once I become 18 
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| Author: | What's Her Face [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:28 pm ] |
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Wesstarrunner wrote: Watch Zeitgeist: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
It helped make me examine all my beliefs and trash all but a few, and I'm a better person because of it. Skip the first part if you're a Christian and don't want to totally reexamine your entire line of thinking. Take it with a grain of salt, I believe there's some truth to most of it. Hmm, or maybe a full cannister of salt. Especially when those same old 9/11 conspiracy theories started up - more on some of those here. But if you're interested in libertarianism, I strongly recommend Thomas Paine's Rights of Man as a starting point. There's a lot of history to take in, but it's very readable, I think. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:08 pm ] |
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What's Her Face wrote: Wesstarrunner wrote: Watch Zeitgeist: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ It helped make me examine all my beliefs and trash all but a few, and I'm a better person because of it. Skip the first part if you're a Christian and don't want to totally reexamine your entire line of thinking. Take it with a grain of salt, I believe there's some truth to most of it. Hmm, or maybe a full cannister of salt. Especially when those same old 9/11 conspiracy theories started up - more on some of those here. But if you're interested in libertarianism, I strongly recommend Thomas Paine's Rights of Man as a starting point. There's a lot of history to take in, but it's very readable, I think. LOL Conspiracy theories. If Bush Inc. were the expert planners the conspiracy theorists made them out to be, this Iraq thing would have lasted about a week. 
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| Author: | Didymus [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:13 pm ] |
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Ahhh, but that's just it. It's their PLAN to drag out the Iraq thing as long as possible. That way, they can make more money from the [s]blood[/s] oil.
EDIT: I hope people realize that I do not believe the war in Iraq is about oil. I do believe it was a premature move when we invaded, and I do believe that it was based on faulty intelligence (and yes, there was reason to doubt its accuracy beforehand). But I'm not so naive to think that it's all about oil. Furthermore, I personally believe we have an obligation to repair the nation and ensure some kind of security and stability before we leave, and so I am not in favor of pulling the troops out immediately. Yet my prayer for them for the past several years has been their speedy and safe return. |
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| Author: | HHFOV [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:46 pm ] |
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My response to the "We're in it for the oil!" argument is thus: If we were willing to kill for oil, we would just invade Canada, where about 50% of the Western World's oil is produced, and be out in a day with cheap gas. But no, of course we would go all the way to Iraq to do it, lawl. |
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| Author: | PianoManGidley [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:05 am ] |
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: My response to the "We're in it for the oil!" argument is thus:
If we were willing to kill for oil, we would just invade Canada, where about 50% of the Western World's oil is produced, and be out in a day with cheap gas. But no, of course we would go all the way to Iraq to do it, lawl. You make a good point...though with the theories I've heard, the "Blood for Oil" conspiracy works like this: We go there for oil, but not so we can bring it back to help lower gas prices, but simply to control the fields to make sure that oil DOESN'T make it back so they can keep prices high. Higher prices=more profits for those in charge. |
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| Author: | HHFOV [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:26 am ] |
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lol whut? Higher prices doesn't equal more profits for those in charge. If it's at a higher price, people aren't going to buy as much, thus equaling less profit, not more. Besides, even if they controlled the oil in Iraq we would still have a number of sources for oil, i.e. Saudi Arabia. The wonderful thing about capitalism is that if one company attempts to make more profit by increasing its prices, another company decreases its prices and makes the profit rather than the other company, so Company A is forced to either lower its prices or lose money. |
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| Author: | ed 'lim' smilde [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:29 am ] |
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: ...If it's at a higher price, people aren't going to buy as much... They just might. People are heavily reliant on gas.
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| Author: | HHFOV [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:53 am ] |
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An alternate company relying on gas from a source other than Iraq would still be able to come up with a lower price, forcing the other competition to lower its prices, though. |
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| Author: | Wesstarrunner [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:59 am ] |
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CONSPIRACY wrote: You people don't get it. It's the end of the world! Nobody gets it. Not even the people who made that movie. The global government is going to chip us on our arms or heads and nobody can buy and sell without them, then the resistance is going to fight the world army in a battle. It's all a big conspiracy to take over the world.
Seriously, I don't know what to believe after watching that movie, gives me the creeps. And don't laugh at the 9/11 theorists who have some pretty common sense and compelling answers. They just are really paranoid people. |
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| Author: | HHFOV [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:03 am ] |
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I'll laugh at them if I frickin' want to. Their arguments are ridiculous and can be torn apart by the simplest logic. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:09 am ] |
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: I'll laugh at them if I frickin' want to. Their arguments are ridiculous and can be torn apart by the simplest logic.
You have never made a more true post. But anyway, this thread is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY off topic.
Please.
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| Author: | Wesstarrunner [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:39 am ] |
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No, they don't have faulty logic, they are reasonable. http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/implosion01.jpg - Holly Street Development, blasted in 2001 by Controlled Demolition Group, Ltd.[/url] WTC7 Collapse Now: toastpaint |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:43 am ] |
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OK, if you want to make 9/11 conjecture, please make a thread about it. This thread isn't about 9/11. Now, get back on topic. |
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| Author: | Wesstarrunner [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:47 am ] |
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I just have to say that I'm really distrustful of the government now. I used to not be, and the theories are a part of it. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:49 am ] |
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Wesstarrunner wrote: I just have to say that I'm really distrustful of the government now. I used to not be, and the theories are a part of it.
You do realize that you're giving the government a lot more credit than they deserve. I've lost my trust in the government, but not as much as I've lost my faith in it. My reason: I work in government, so I can see how it doesn't work. |
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| Author: | Wesstarrunner [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:51 am ] |
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It's slow and inefficient. Yes. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:54 am ] |
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Wesstarrunner wrote: It's slow and inefficient. Yes.
That should preclude any kind of evil conspiracies. I mean, they're just too slow and incompetent to do anything bad. At least, that's what I think about the government. |
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| Author: | Wesstarrunner [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:26 am ] |
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Then this war wouldn't be going on... I think certain people of high authority could and do bypass stuff. |
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| Author: | Beyond the Grave [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:30 am ] |
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StrongRad wrote: I mean, they're just too slow and incompetent to do anything bad. Prohibition.
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| Author: | Wesstarrunner [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:31 am ] |
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Another good point, BTG. Not to mention: The Patriot Act, The War on Drugs, and more. |
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| Author: | PianoManGidley [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:35 am ] |
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Okay, guys, seriously. StrongRad already said it once: Get this thread back on topic. You can discuss conspiracy theories and the general level of competency of government in other threads in more detail, but this thread is meant to discuss simply how our political and religious beliefs have changed throughout the years. EDIT: After a search, I came up with no threads dedicated to discussing one's belief in the level of competency of one's own government, or of government in general. And the closest I came to any conspiracy-theory threads were regarding videos surrounding the 9/11 event: here and here...though those are each specific to their own videos. Feel free to create a more generic topic regarding your ideas on these matters if you wish to discuss it anymore. |
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| Author: | Amorican [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:03 am ] |
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I used to be Catholic, now I am Atheist. I made the switch back in 11th grade (1997-98), right before Confirmation. Not a sudden switch, but somewhere along the way that year I realized that all the doubts I had always had were much too strong to ignore any longer. I went ahead with my confirmation because I didn't really want to disappoint any family. These days I only go to church for weddings and funerals. I'm hoping both of these events for me don't take place at a church. (Although I guess I'll be dead for the funeral, so what do I care? )
Politically: Mostly liberal for the majority of my life up through college, until I started realizing that the college community/atmosphere really only gave me half the story on any given subject. College politics seem to be very one-sided. I don't really want to label myself, and just take things issue by issue. And I reserve the right to change my mind at any time. The War: I dunno. Part of me wants to give it a chance. Part of me wants to end it now. I waffle back and forth a LOT on this issue. One thing I do know is that I really don't trust the democrats right now because they seem to be cheerleaders of bad news from Iraq. It seems to bring them glee when crap goes wrong over there. Which makes sense, because that's their ticket to power. Against illegal immigration. I used to want to legalize them all, but living in Southern California for the past 8 years has changed my opinion big time. Used to be for the death penalty. Now, I'm against it when I think about it rationally. Sometimes, when I'm thinking about it emotionally, I find myself for it again. Weird. Pro-choice. Mostly anyway. I could never live with myself if I knocked up my girlfriend and we got an abortion. When I was in junior high, I was mostly pro-life. Pro Gay Marriage: If you don't like it, don't get one. Actually that's an opinion that's never changed for me. Just thought I'd throw it up there because it's something that affects several of my friends. And lately, I'm starting to realize that voting in presidential and congressional elections is pretty much a useless activity. I might stop doing it. In the end, nothing ever really changes, and the lobbyists still have the real power. |
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| Author: | furrykef [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:56 pm ] |
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Amorican wrote: Against illegal immigration. I used to want to legalize them all, but living in Southern California for the past 8 years has changed my opinion big time.
Hmm. Why? - Kef |
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| Author: | Wesstarrunner [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:34 pm ] |
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Amorican wrote: The War: I dunno. Part of me wants to give it a chance. Part of me wants to end it now. I waffle back and forth a LOT on this issue. I think the war is crap when I used to think it was for a good cause. Now I think all wars are crap started for B.S. reasons. War just leads to death and suffering. Quote: One thing I do know is that I really don't trust the democrats right now because they seem to be cheerleaders of bad news from Iraq. It seems to bring them glee when crap goes wrong over there. Which makes sense, because that's their ticket to power.
I think you are right, but I also think that both main parties in the U.S.A. are horribly corrupt and are way too pro big government. I used to actually have a little trust for the Republicans. |
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