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ChickenLeg: I think you're right about the infantilizing that happens to youths these days, and that it needs to stop. But what would you replace school with? Free time? That's even more infantilizing.

They treat you like you are inferior, which is directly apposed to some of the principles the US of A was founded on.

Besides, I'm going to quote a famous person:
"Knowledge which is acquired under compulsion has no hold on the mind."-Plato

I understand that, but I think it bes, at least for me, to learn it myself out of a book or work with somebody who treats me like I'm an equal to them to learn.

I just don't like the fact that teachers stand in the front of a room looming over you and lecturing you while you are expected to somehow learn. They treat you like you are inferior, which is directly apposed to some of the principles the US of A was founded on.

Besides, I'm going to quote a famous person:
"Knowledge which is acquired under compulsion has no hold on the mind."-Plato

What I don't like about your mode of conversation, Wes, is that you completely discount wisdom being offered to you by people who have actual life experience to back up what they're talking about.

Wes wrote:

I understand that, but I think it bes, at least for me, to learn it myself out of a book or work with somebody who treats me like I'm an equal to them to learn.

But you're not an equal. You are a student.

That I should grow up, go to a job I hate everyday for 55 years, and live with it.

We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very [mad].

Wesstarrunner wrote:

I understand that, but I think it bes, at least for me, to learn it myself out of a book or work with somebody who treats me like I'm an equal to them to learn.

But you're not an equal. You are a student.

Perhaps it is you who need to learn some respect, Wes. I have seen you express very little of it in your discussions on this Forum, and yet you demand it from others. Your teachers have been placed in authority over you, and they're job IS to teach you. Perhaps you should change your attitude toward them, rather than demanding that they change their attitude toward you.

And I will respond with a quote from Plato's own teacher:
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself."-Socrates

Wesstarrunner wrote:

I understand that, but I think it bes, at least for me, to learn it myself out of a book or work with somebody who treats me like I'm an equal to them to learn.

But you're not an equal. You are a student.

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I'm not going to deny that modern education needs improvement. But from what I'm seeing here, Wes, at least half of your problem is one of attitude. Take it from someone with experience: if you're taking a rotten attitude into the classroom, then of course you're not going to learn anything.

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Besides, I'm going to quote a famous person:
"Knowledge which is acquired under compulsion has no hold on the mind."-Plato

And I will respond with a quote from Plato's own teacher:
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself."-Socrates

How can I do that when the shackles and chains of the State are a very real part of my life?

Wesstarrunner wrote:

How can I do that when the shackles and chains of the State are a very real part of my life?

Shackles and chains of the State?

Forgive me for laughing, but I seriously doubt you know anything about shackles and chains.

You don't know how good you have it. I'd gladly trade work for high school.

Shackles and chains of the State?

Forgive me for laughing, but I seriously doubt you know anything about shackles and chains.

StrongRad wrote:

Wesstarrunner wrote:

How can I do that when the shackles and chains of the State are a very real part of my life?

But at least there's some payment in the former. Sure, school can give educational payment, but it's overdone and unnecessary.

Sure things aren't quite right the way they are, but if you're just sitting at home on a forum moping about it, it makes it harder for people to sympathize with your complaints. If people saw mature, responsible, and productive people being limited and held back, they'd want to help. You can be mature, responsible, and productive without asking the permission of your school. Now go to it!

Wesstarrunner wrote:

How can I do that when the shackles and chains of the State are a very real part of my life?

I have the attitude that people should treat me like I'm one of their peers. I believe that people should all be equal and treat others as such, I know this idea may be totally revolutionary (or not, the Quakers believed it, and our Constitution asserts it to a point), but that's my opinion and it stems from my experiences.

Seriously, guys. You say things should be different, but like Didy said in the other thread (and I said earlier in this one), you don't seem willing to actually DO anything about it. If you can't get out of school, at least USE it while you're there. Get a job. Find a mentor. Read The Teenage Liberation Handbook and actually do the stuff it says. Sure things aren't quite right the way they are, but if you're just sitting at home on a forum moping about it, it makes it harder for people to sympathize with your complaints. If people saw mature, responsible, and productive people being limited and held back, they'd want to help. You can be mature, responsible, and productive without asking the permission of your school. Now go to it!

I'm going to withhold my opinions.

"WAAAAH SCHOOL SO OPRESSIVE OUR RIGHTS IS BEIN' TRAMPLED!!!"

Inverse Tiger wrote:

Now that I can agree on. The only problem is the fact that I wouldn't be "acting like myself" and being a "loser".

Meh. I don't really have friends, and no one really knows the true me. I have nothing to lose.

I know of a woman who dropped out of high school, and later became a drug-addicted prostitute.

Do you want to be like that, Wes? B|

And I am open to some sort of education afterwards, but I'd much rather want to learn what I want to/feel that it's important to me.

ChickenLeg wrote:

And I am open to some sort of education afterwards, but I'd much rather want to learn what I want to/feel that it's important to me.

College allows you to do that. In college you have control of your destiny. In college, you can choose what you want to study in, what courses to take(about half) and when to take them.

I was going to write a response here but I don't think I can do it without ranting and raving against the "WAAAAH SCHOOL SO OPRESSIVE OUR RIGHTS IS BEIN' TRAMPLED!!!" crowd, so I'm going to withhold my opinions.

Shippinator Mandy wrote:

I know of a woman who dropped out of high school, and later became a drug-addicted prostitute.

Do you want to be like that, Wes? B|

I don't really think Wes is a girl-type.

Doesn't mean he couldn't wind up being a hooker.

ChickenLeg wrote:

Shippinator Mandy wrote:

I know of a woman who dropped out of high school, and later became a drug-addicted prostitute.

Do you want to be like that, Wes? B|

I don't really think Wes is a girl-type.

Doesn't mean he couldn't wind up being a hooker.

Nor does it mean that dropping out of school is always the reason for people being addicted to drugs or becoming prostitutes.

Author:	ChickenLeg [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:06 am ]
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Inverse Tiger wrote: ChickenLeg: I think you're right about the infantilizing that happens to youths these days, and that it needs to stop. But what would you replace school with? Free time? That's even more infantilizing. I wasn't saying that school should be abolished. Rather, changed so students can learn what they wish to instead of the government controlling what they learn. I would immensely appreciate my art class if it was cartoon instead because that is totally relevant to me. Of course, seeing how hopeless my situation is, I often find it easier, yet hard to accept, to just give up and go with the infantilizing and totalitarian-like control without question. Believe me, that's a horrible feeling. Other times, I would want to just run away, but that's cowardice, because I have to give in to the belief that life isn't fair and I will never get what I want no matter how hard I try, even my dream of becoming a cartoonist. I mean, I know that's not what school's trying to say, yet it says it all the time to me because of the way it's built and run. That I should grow up, go to a job I hate everyday for 55 years, and live with it. Quote: They treat you like you are inferior, which is directly apposed to some of the principles the US of A was founded on. Besides, I'm going to quote a famous person: "Knowledge which is acquired under compulsion has no hold on the mind."-Plato Yes and yes. I know I'm not inferior, but teachers seem to give me the impression I am inferior and forever will be. And I get totally bummec with that.

Author:	Didymus [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:11 am ]
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Wesstarrunner wrote: I understand that, but I think it bes, at least for me, to learn it myself out of a book or work with somebody who treats me like I'm an equal to them to learn. But you're not an equal. You are a student. Quote: I just don't like the fact that teachers stand in the front of a room looming over you and lecturing you while you are expected to somehow learn. They treat you like you are inferior, which is directly apposed to some of the principles the US of A was founded on. Perhaps it is you who need to learn some respect, Wes. I have seen you express very little of it in your discussions on this Forum, and yet you demand it from others. Your teachers have been placed in authority over you, and they're job IS to teach you. Perhaps you should change your attitude toward them, rather than demanding that they change their attitude toward you. I'm not going to deny that modern education needs improvement. But from what I'm seeing here, Wes, at least half of your problem is one of attitude. Take it from someone with experience: if you're taking a rotten attitude into the classroom, then of course you're not going to learn anything. Quote: Besides, I'm going to quote a famous person: "Knowledge which is acquired under compulsion has no hold on the mind."-Plato And I will respond with a quote from Plato's own teacher: "Let him who would move the world, first move himself."-Socrates

Author:	Inverse Tiger [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:22 am ]
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Didymus wrote: What I don't like about your mode of conversation, Wes, is that you completely discount wisdom being offered to you by people who have actual life experience to back up what they're talking about. When you have no experience of something, it's hard to grasp it no matter how many times you're told. You cling tenaciously to whatever theories make the most sense. I used to say exactly the same stuff Wes said until I got out into the real world. It wasn't that people didn't tell me the kinds of things we're telling him now, it's just that it didn't make any sense given what I knew at the time. On the other hand, I've noticed that many adults (like my parents) find it impossible to imagine exactly how infantilizing the current school system and place for teens in society are these days, and how the degradation of maturity really is increasing every year. There are real problems here, and I think the "suck it up" type responses many people are giving Wes are just as naive and reflexive as his outlook. Didymus wrote: Wes wrote: I understand that, but I think it bes, at least for me, to learn it myself out of a book or work with somebody who treats me like I'm an equal to them to learn. But you're not an equal. You are a student. I think you guys are talking two different things here. There's a difference between being unequal in learning--the inherent unequalness between student and teacher--and the distant, tired, put-upon, looking-down-the-nose attitude of many grade school teachers. Didy's right that there's a difference between student and teacher: it's ridiculous when I get a professor who just has students spout off their uneducated opinions about the books we read instead of teaching us how to really get the most out of the works. If we could teach each other, WE'D be the professors. But profs, in contrast to school teachers, at least treat you like you COULD GET TO their level. They don't talk down and they assume maturity. ChickenLeg wrote: That I should grow up, go to a job I hate everyday for 55 years, and live with it. Tyler Durden wrote: We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very [mad].

Author:	ChickenLeg [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:26 am ]
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Didymus wrote: Wesstarrunner wrote: I understand that, but I think it bes, at least for me, to learn it myself out of a book or work with somebody who treats me like I'm an equal to them to learn. But you're not an equal. You are a student. I am a student. Not an equal. To be honest, that is very condescending. I am just as equal as an adult. We are animals in nature, and once an animal hits puberty, they are considered adults. In earlier times, someone who was 13, they were adults and treated that way. Didymus wrote: Perhaps it is you who need to learn some respect, Wes. I have seen you express very little of it in your discussions on this Forum, and yet you demand it from others. Your teachers have been placed in authority over you, and they're job IS to teach you. Perhaps you should change your attitude toward them, rather than demanding that they change their attitude toward you. I have respected teachers for 11 years, and I'm sick of the way they treat students. Sometimes, they hit a certain point where their constant patronizing and infantilization really makes me feel inferior. In this way, students get sick of what happens and strike back, only for the teacher to show more unnecessary inferiorizing. Who's at fault? Didymus wrote: And I will respond with a quote from Plato's own teacher: "Let him who would move the world, first move himself."-Socrates Plato did move himself. By walking. BA-DUM-CHH!

Author:	Wesstarrunner [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:41 am ]
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Didymus wrote: Wesstarrunner wrote: I understand that, but I think it bes, at least for me, to learn it myself out of a book or work with somebody who treats me like I'm an equal to them to learn. But you're not an equal. You are a student. Not equal in my knowledge, but equal as a human being: Yes. Quote: Quote: I just don't like the fact that teachers stand in the front of a room looming over you and lecturing you while you are expected to somehow learn. They treat you like you are inferior, which is directly apposed to some of the principles the US of A was founded on. Perhaps it is you who need to learn some respect, Wes. I have seen you express very little of it in your discussions on this Forum, and yet you demand it from others. Your teachers have been placed in authority over you, and they're job IS to teach you. Perhaps you should change your attitude toward them, rather than demanding that they change their attitude toward you. But they're the ones who can treat me like I'm somehow not as "good" as them. Sure I don't know as much, but that doesn't mean they can treat me like I'm stupid Quote: I'm not going to deny that modern education needs improvement. But from what I'm seeing here, Wes, at least half of your problem is one of attitude. Take it from someone with experience: if you're taking a rotten attitude into the classroom, then of course you're not going to learn anything. I have the attitude that people should treat me like I'm one of their peers. I believe that people should all be equal and treat others as such, I know this idea may be totally revolutionary (or not, the Quakers believed it, and our Constitution asserts it to a point), but that's my opinion and it stems from my experiences. Quote: Quote: Besides, I'm going to quote a famous person: "Knowledge which is acquired under compulsion has no hold on the mind."-Plato And I will respond with a quote from Plato's own teacher: "Let him who would move the world, first move himself."-Socrates How can I do that when the shackles and chains of the State are a very real part of my life?

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Author:	ChickenLeg [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:42 am ]
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^ That last part is very true. Any possible option for change has government consequences. And I agree with Inverse Tiger on how everyone that's saying to "suck it up" are naive. I realized that sucking it up won't make things any better for me and possibly for millions of other teens quite a while now. Sucking it up won't actually solve anything. It'll just keep all these emotions into a water balloon. The more emotions that are stuffed in, the larger the balloon gets, until either the hole from the inserting end is opened or the balloon bursts with all emotion spilling all over the place. At least the former can be done in a clean way if done well enough.

Author:	StrongRad [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:44 am ]
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Wesstarrunner wrote: How can I do that when the shackles and chains of the State are a very real part of my life? Shackles and chains of the State? Forgive me for laughing, but I seriously doubt you know anything about shackles and chains. You don't know how good you have it. I'd gladly trade work for high school.

Author:	ChickenLeg [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:52 am ]
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StrongRad wrote: Wesstarrunner wrote: How can I do that when the shackles and chains of the State are a very real part of my life? Shackles and chains of the State? Forgive me for laughing, but I seriously doubt you know anything about shackles and chains. You don't know how good you have it. I'd gladly trade work for high school. But at least there's some payment in the former. Sure, school can give educational payment, but it's overdone and unnecessary. Also, learning can't and won't only just take place in school.

Author:	Inverse Tiger [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:53 am ]
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StrongRad wrote: Shackles and chains of the State? Forgive me for laughing, but I seriously doubt you know anything about shackles and chains. Yeah, even knowing where Wes is coming from, I can't help but lol'ing just a little when I read stuff like that. Seriously, guys. You say things should be different, but like Didy said in the other thread (and I said earlier in this one), you don't seem willing to actually DO anything about it. If you can't get out of school, at least USE it while you're there. Get a job. Find a mentor. Read The Teenage Liberation Handbook and actually do the stuff it says. Sure things aren't quite right the way they are, but if you're just sitting at home on a forum moping about it, it makes it harder for people to sympathize with your complaints. If people saw mature, responsible, and productive people being limited and held back, they'd want to help. You can be mature, responsible, and productive without asking the permission of your school. Now go to it!

Author:	StrongRad [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:54 am ]
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ChickenLeg wrote: StrongRad wrote: Wesstarrunner wrote: How can I do that when the shackles and chains of the State are a very real part of my life? Shackles and chains of the State? Forgive me for laughing, but I seriously doubt you know anything about shackles and chains. You don't know how good you have it. I'd gladly trade work for high school. But at least there's some payment in the former. Sure, school can give educational payment, but it's overdone and unnecessary. Yes, there is payment. However, there is also a car insurance payment, rent (to be replaced with a mortgage sometime in the next year, I hope), utility bills, food bills, etc. The only real benefit I see is that I rarely have "homework". Still, I'd take that if I could give up the responsibilities of being an adult.

Author:	ChickenLeg [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:57 am ]
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Inverse Tiger wrote: Sure things aren't quite right the way they are, but if you're just sitting at home on a forum moping about it, it makes it harder for people to sympathize with your complaints. If people saw mature, responsible, and productive people being limited and held back, they'd want to help. You can be mature, responsible, and productive without asking the permission of your school. Now go to it! Now that I can agree on. The only problem is the fact that I wouldn't be "acting like myself" and being a "loser". Meh. I don't really have friends, and no one really knows the true me. I have nothing to lose.

Author:	Didymus [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:00 am ]
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StrongRad wrote: Wesstarrunner wrote: How can I do that when the shackles and chains of the State are a very real part of my life? Shackles and chains of the State? Forgive me for laughing, but I seriously doubt you know anything about shackles and chains. You don't know how good you have it. I'd gladly trade work for high school. Quoted for truth. Wes, when you've been put in a gulag or forced to pick cotton, then you can talk about shackles and chains. Until then, I expect you to dispense with this empty rhetoric and make actual arguments for your points. Quote: I have the attitude that people should treat me like I'm one of their peers. I believe that people should all be equal and treat others as such, I know this idea may be totally revolutionary (or not, the Quakers believed it, and our Constitution asserts it to a point), but that's my opinion and it stems from my experiences. But are you showing that same respect to others that you're demanding from them? You do a lot of demanding of respect, Wes. What I don't see a lot from you is showing it. And once again, I think that very Socrates quote I posted earlier applies: what changes to your own attitude are you making so that you can earn their respect? Inverse Tiger wrote: Seriously, guys. You say things should be different, but like Didy said in the other thread (and I said earlier in this one), you don't seem willing to actually DO anything about it. If you can't get out of school, at least USE it while you're there. Get a job. Find a mentor. Read The Teenage Liberation Handbook and actually do the stuff it says. Sure things aren't quite right the way they are, but if you're just sitting at home on a forum moping about it, it makes it harder for people to sympathize with your complaints. If people saw mature, responsible, and productive people being limited and held back, they'd want to help. You can be mature, responsible, and productive without asking the permission of your school. Now go to it! Also quoted for truth. Wes, as much as I've seen you complain, the one thing that I have CONSTANTLY tried to get you to accept, but which you seem to consistently refuse to take, is personal responsibility. If you don't like the way a teacher teaches a subject, then study it on your own; I seriously doubt that any teacher would try to stop you. And once you've learned that subject, show what you know in the class. Rather than demanding respect, try earning it; you might find you'll get a lot further that way.

Author:	Acekirby [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:10 am ]
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I was going to write a response here but I don't think I can do it without ranting and raving against the "WAAAAH SCHOOL SO OPRESSIVE OUR RIGHTS IS BEIN' TRAMPLED!!!" crowd, so I'm going to withhold my opinions.

Author:	Inverse Tiger [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:16 am ]
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Quote: I'm going to withhold my opinions. ldclichedORLYowlpic: Quote: "WAAAAH SCHOOL SO OPRESSIVE OUR RIGHTS IS BEIN' TRAMPLED!!!"

Author:	HHFOV [ Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:58 pm ]
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All too eloquently put, Dooce.

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Author:	Acekirby [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:27 am ]
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Well, for "opinions", insert "tl;dr rant".

Author:	Didymus [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:02 am ]
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ChickenLeg wrote: Inverse Tiger wrote: Sure things aren't quite right the way they are, but if you're just sitting at home on a forum moping about it, it makes it harder for people to sympathize with your complaints. If people saw mature, responsible, and productive people being limited and held back, they'd want to help. You can be mature, responsible, and productive without asking the permission of your school. Now go to it! Now that I can agree on. The only problem is the fact that I wouldn't be "acting like myself" and being a "loser". Meh. I don't really have friends, and no one really knows the true me. I have nothing to lose. CL, there are extremely few educational systems that don't demand at least some effort from the students. Even those that are tailored to your personality type would require at least some work from you in order for you to learn. In fact, the only educational system that wouldn't demand a lot of hard work would be the one used on River Tam in Serenity, but I'm not sure that you'd like that one too much. The thing is, education takes work because almost any job you'd do will require work. Cartooning, believe it or not, is a lot of hard work. Have you ever watched interviews with cartoon artists, say, on a DVD commentary or on a documentary? Cartooning takes self-discipline and work. Now, from what you say, I gather that you find these qualities lacking in yourself. Guess what: I didn't have them when I was your age either. But do not fear: they can be learned. My suggestion to you is this: stick with that art class. Yes, it may be boring. Yes, it is designed to focus on the foundationals. Stick with it anyway. It will improve your artistic skills, even if it's not your own particular specialty. But don't just muddle through it; put some gusto into it. Because, as I've learned, very often, the more you put into something, the more you get out of it.

Author:	Shippinator Mandy [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:51 pm ]
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I know of a woman who dropped out of high school, and later became a drug-addicted prostitute. Do you want to be like that, Wes? B\|

Author:	ChickenLeg [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:16 pm ]
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Shippinator Mandy wrote: I know of a woman who dropped out of high school, and later became a drug-addicted prostitute. Do you want to be like that, Wes? B\| I don't really think Wes is a girl-type. But I do plan on finishing high school even if it kills me. I mean, I did last the last 11 years, might as well try to finish off these two. And I am open to some sort of education afterwards, but I'd much rather want to learn what I want to/feel that it's important to me.

Author:	Beyond the Grave [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:46 pm ]
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ChickenLeg wrote: And I am open to some sort of education afterwards, but I'd much rather want to learn what I want to/feel that it's important to me. College allows you to do that. In college you have control of your destiny. In college, you can choose what you want to study in, what courses to take(about half) and when to take them.

Author:	ChickenLeg [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:35 pm ]
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Beyond the Grave wrote: ChickenLeg wrote: And I am open to some sort of education afterwards, but I'd much rather want to learn what I want to/feel that it's important to me. College allows you to do that. In college you have control of your destiny. In college, you can choose what you want to study in, what courses to take(about half) and when to take them. To be honest, though, I don't really think college is the right thing for me. For some reason, I explained why so many times, I don't really know why anymore. And besides, I can learn all the stuff I feel it's important for me for free. Or cheap in a community program.

Author:	furrykef [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:25 pm ]
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College wasn't for me when I went there. I think I was just too burned out from school from having been in it for so many years; even part-time classes were too much. I think I could handle it now, but we don't have any money... I can't get my Pell grant anymore. - Kef

Author:	Schmelen [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:07 am ]
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I don't much like school, I'm the stubborn grouchy type, and I generally don't get along with teachers, and do the opposite of what they tell me to do, just to prove a point. Which they usually don't get, so it's a big waste of time.. But I know that school is my best option, so I'm not gonna complain.

Author:	Beardo [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:21 am ]
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Acekirby wrote: I was going to write a response here but I don't think I can do it without ranting and raving against the "WAAAAH SCHOOL SO OPRESSIVE OUR RIGHTS IS BEIN' TRAMPLED!!!" crowd, so I'm going to withhold my opinions. I completely agree. Seriously guys, just do it.

Author:	Shippinator Mandy [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:22 pm ]
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ChickenLeg wrote: Shippinator Mandy wrote: I know of a woman who dropped out of high school, and later became a drug-addicted prostitute. Do you want to be like that, Wes? B\| I don't really think Wes is a girl-type. Doesn't mean he couldn't wind up being a hooker.

Author:	Beyond the Grave [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:55 pm ]
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Shippinator Mandy wrote: Doesn't mean he couldn't wind up being a hooker. He's just a gigolo... I doubt that Wes will end up as a prostitute, but there is a good chance that I would see him working the drive-thru at McDonald's if he decides to drop out of high school.

Author:	Marshmallow Roast [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:44 am ]
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Shippinator Mandy wrote: ChickenLeg wrote: Shippinator Mandy wrote: I know of a woman who dropped out of high school, and later became a drug-addicted prostitute. Do you want to be like that, Wes? B\| I don't really think Wes is a girl-type. Doesn't mean he couldn't wind up being a hooker. Nor does it mean that dropping out of school is always the reason for people being addicted to drugs or becoming prostitutes.

Author:	StrongRad [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:49 am ]
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Marshmallow Roast wrote: Nor does it mean that dropping out of school is always the reason for people being addicted to drugs or becoming prostitutes. Very true, but there aren't many street-walkers with Master's degrees in aerospace engineering.

Author:	racerx_is_alive [ Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:54 pm ]
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I hate to necromance, but this was too appropriate:

Author:	Duecex2 [ Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:05 pm ]
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To all people who don't want to go to school: BAWWWWWW