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Author:  Rogue Leader [ Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:09 am ]
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I just want to say one thing, to those saying that students should be treated as equals, or as peers to teachers...

You are not. You really should not.

They went through a heck of a lot more than you have at this point, and now they have to deal with you. And from the thread, Wes, you have seriously come off to me as a whiny child, not as the adult you want to be treated as. Guess what, education and college pretty much IS required now. You don't want to go to college? Kay. Have fun cleaning toilets, or something. You don't want your parents to control you as much? You are going to miss that a lot when you pack up and go.

Seriously, if you really think you can function in this world without college, or some kind of education past high school (with some exceptions, such as military training) you are gravely mistaken. I realize there are several things in school you are never going to apply in real life, and it seems like a massive pain. But that's life, and becoming an adult is accepting stuff like that and taking it in stride.

Added on: The education system is not perfect. Nor will it ever be. Creating Wes' definition of a perfect school system would be terrible for the next guy, and the next guy. There are quite frankly far too many divergent opinions when it comes to something like schooling. Maybe this is the best solution to address EVERYBODY'S NEEDS. Not your own. If you think that is does not address EVERYBODY'S NEEDS, then you should change it, not complain about it.

(btw, this is written by a 14 year old who is still under the shackle and bonds of state education, save me from the drones).

Rant over.
Author:  ed 'lim' smilde [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:25 am ]
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I don't think everyone needs to go to college. I think there are valuable skills learned in high school that EVERYONE should know, like how to get along and work with people and use your brain at least, but lately the state has been trying to pass some new laws putting stricter and tougher high school requirements so that 'everyone can go to college so they can get jobs,' which isn't true. Most people should go, but for some it's a waste of time and money, since they'll still be able to get jobs out of high school anyways. After all, if no one wants to be an auto mechanic (or other job that doesn't require much education, maybe that's not a great example), who will be? So in short, I agree that everyone should get through high school, but college isn't for quite everyone.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:32 am ]
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ed 'lim' smilde wrote:
After all, if no one wants to be an auto mechanic (or other job that doesn't require much education, maybe that's not a great example), who will be?
Actually an auto mechanic needs more education than you think. A better example would be a retail store manager. In most retail chains, if you work for three years, you are eligible to become a manager.

But it won't hurt for you to go to a Junior College for 2 year, not pay all that much and get your Associates.
Author:  Didymus [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:41 am ]
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but lately the state has been trying to pass some new laws putting stricter and tougher high school requirements so that 'everyone can go to college so they can get jobs,'

Not true. If they are raising educational standards, it's because there is widespread recognition that there need to be minimal skills and knowledge that should be reasonable to expect from a high school graduate. Simple skills like reading, arithmetic, and social skills are necessary skills for everyone in life, and someone who does not develop such skills should not be qualified to receive a high school diploma. They have to raise these standards because, at one point, there were people graduating high school who could not read or perform simple arithmetic.

And like BTG said, you'd be surprised at how many jobs require these very simple skills.
Author:  The Noid [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:42 am ]
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Why is this topic still around?

I thought this one-sided argument ended in like August.
Author:  Didymus [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:45 am ]
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I blame Duece.
Author:  ChickenLeg [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:30 am ]
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Didymus wrote:
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but lately the state has been trying to pass some new laws putting stricter and tougher high school requirements so that 'everyone can go to college so they can get jobs,'

Not true. If they are raising educational standards, it's because there is widespread recognition that there need to be minimal skills and knowledge that should be reasonable to expect from a high school graduate. Simple skills like reading, arithmetic, and social skills are necessary skills for everyone in life, and someone who does not develop such skills should not be qualified to receive a high school diploma.


Dangit. Now I'll never get a high school diploma. I was too busy with the other stuff.
Author:  Inverse Tiger [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:47 am ]
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Don't worry, I got out of high school with the social skills of an autistic hermit raised by lemurs.
Author:  lahimatoa [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:20 am ]
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Inverse Tiger wrote:
Don't worry, I got out of high school with the social skills of an autistic hermit raised by lemurs.


Hey, lemurs are very social. Back off. :)

But for some more on-topic thoughts:

I'm a print journalism major. 25 years ago you didn't even need a college degree to work for a newspaper. Then someone decided you do, so here I am spending thousands of dollars to learn how to write in the inverted pyramid. I get the feeling that I could have picked up 90% of what I've learned while in school over about six months of on-the-job experience.

Oh well, we'll see.
Author:  Inverse Tiger [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:03 am ]
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See, I try to pick a nonsocial creature and fail :p

Yeah, from what I've seen, many jobs that require college education aren't doing so because there's something about the job that actually requires the knowledge that you'd gain in college... It's more a sign to them that you're able to do a lot of work.
Author:  Acekirby [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:22 pm ]
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Rogue Leader wrote:
<rant>

Thank you so much, it's what I've been feeling the entire time.

Good to see someone else is picking up the ranting slack I'm too tired to get to. ;)
Author:  ed 'lim' smilde [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:13 pm ]
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Beyond the Grave wrote:
ed 'lim' smilde wrote:
After all, if no one wants to be an auto mechanic (or other job that doesn't require much education, maybe that's not a great example), who will be?
Actually an auto mechanic needs more education than you think. A better example would be a retail store manager. In most retail chains, if you work for three years, you are eligible to become a manager.
Thanks for a better example. I figured auto mechanic needed more education past high school, but I couldn't come up with a good example, hence the note in parintheses.
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