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 Post subject: The Pirate Party
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:53 pm 
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Just in case you haven't heard of it allready: http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english
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The Pirate Party wants to fundamentally reform copyright law, get rid of the patent system, and ensure that citizens' rights to privacy are respected. With this agenda, and only this, we are making a bid for representation in the European and Swedish parliaments.

Here's some videoes, too: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=falkvinge
And of course, Wikipedia knows everything: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_party

What the party basicly says is that we're at a crossroads; either, to protect copyright laws and patents, all communications must be monitored so that no "illeagal material" is distributed. Mainly on the internet, but also over telephones and in mail etc.
Or, on the other hand, to protect free speech, we must decide that private communications, on the internet, etc, may not be monitored and thus copyright laws and patents will have to take a step back.
In essence, copyrights vs. free speech.

I personally think it's great. I mean, it's so clear and simple. You know what you're voting for. I can't see the difference between most other parties, who all want better schools, better hospitals, ect... like paper or plastic, in my opinion. I have yet to find anything in the Pirate Party's agenda that I do not fully agree with. I'm totaly voting for them in 2009.

But enough about my opinions for now, what are yours?
(P.S. Make sure to watch at least one of the videoes, I'd recomend the Google Tech Talk.)


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I'm fully in support of the Pirate Party,

I have no moral qualms with copyright piracy at all, nor should it be enforced the way it is.

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Wish I could post flash here... needs that Lazytown song.

Anyways, go Pirate Party!


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On one hand, as a former aspiring recording artist myself, I can certainly see the need for artists to be able to make income from the work that they do. Piracy literally does take food out of their mouths.

On the other hand, the reality behind the recording industry is that the labels make all the money, not the artists. If you spend $15 on a CD at the store, only about 50 cents of it will actually go to the artist. Maybe a dollar or two will go to manufacturing costs, and a good dollar or two will go to advertising and promotion. But the rest goes right into the pockets of fat record executives who aren't even involved in the creative process.

As such, I feel that the recording industry needs to examine itself and find new and innovative ways to promote their products, rather than trying to force consumers to continue to use the same avenues of acquisition of music.

Furthermore, the industry, being money-driven as it is, does not really promote artistic creativity. Instead, the industry typically presents us with artists they want us to buy, meaning that it is nearly impossible for new and better talent to shine. It does happen occasionally, but usually despite the industry's efforts, not because of them.

But to me, the chief problem is with the ways that the industry is trying to enforce their will on consumers. CD's and DVD's now have copy protection, which prohibits customers from making backups, in case something happens to the original. Windows VISTA is basically chock full of RIAA spyware, wasting valuable system resources trying to prevent piracy, but at the cost of system performance. The entertainment industry is so paranoid about piracy, that it actually manages to screw it's customers, even those who, like myself, want to use their products legitimately, out of their rights as customers.

In short, while I agree that artists themselves need to have their intellectual property protected, the entertainment industry is not doing that, but rather looking after its own interests. And the ridiculous ways in which they enforce their will ends up making problems for us customers.

Me? I get most of my music from independent artists on Acid Planet. For now, anyway. But I'm sure the RIAA will charge in sooner or later and start making us pay to share our own musical creations.

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On one hand, as a former aspiring recording artist myself, I can certainly see

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Click the Zorak banner, goofball!

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Doesn't work with firefox, and I'm not downloading Windows Media Player 11.

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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
Doesn't work with firefox, and I'm not downloading Windows Media Player 11.
Works for me.

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I think copyrights shouldn't last as long as they do. 20-30 years at the most. I believe in intellectual property of fictional characters, trademarks, etc.I really think these people might be going too far. Also, any money distribution in the record industry (what Didymus talked about) should just be left to the free market.

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Which is why I support independent artists through an independent website. The recording industry doesn't get a dime!

Except Sony. Assuming people buy the Acid software. But I already use Fruity Loops, so I don't really need Acid.

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I agree with the first part of Didymus's post. How much work will artists put into movies and music if it's just going to get ripped off, redistributed, and plagiarized while the original artist gets no reward at all? Copyright laws aren't for nothing, no matter what the Pirate Party wants to believe.

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But the thing is movies and music allready do get ripped off, redistributed, and plagiarized. Artists still make money. When you go to the movies or go to a concert, or buy a book, you don't pay for watching the film/hearing the music/reading the book. What you pay for is watching the film at the movies/hearing the music at a concert/reading a real, physical copy of the book, without dragging around a big, heavy computer. It's a completely different experience compared to your monitor and speakers. People allready choose between buying and downloading, and many allready do download. What the Pirate Party is trying to change is not which of the two people should do, only that people who download (about 10% of the population) should not be concidered criminals, when there's really no need for them to be concidered criminals.

But how will artists make money? Musicians make money through concerts, since it's not the same experience as simply listening to their music. The film industry make money through cinemas, since it's not the same as watching the film through a monitor (and because it takes about a week for the movie to get from the cinemas to the internet, by wich time a lot of people will allready have watched it at the cinema). And software and game companies have allways made more and more money, despite file sharing. Besides, a lot of people, like Mike and Matt, make their money by distributing their work freely on the internet. Some artists are even dependant on file sharing and would not make money without it.


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DukeNuke wrote:
But how will artists make money? Musicians make money through concerts, since it's not the same experience as simply listening to their music.


Do artists really make any money from concerts? Enough to make a living? I'm not talking about the super-wealthy megastars. Does your average band-on-the-road do much better than break even? There's a lot of overhead involved with putting on a concert. I'd love to see some numbers on that, cuz it's something I've been curious about for a long time. Do concerts cover the costs of the studio, producer, engineer, drugs, alcohol, women etc, that are necessary to record an album?

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Some artists are even dependant on file sharing and would not make money without it.


Then they should be given the choice to have their music distributed that way. And the artists that depend on music sales should be given the choice NOT to allow their music to be distributed through file-sharing. But the file-sharing community has robbed them of any choice in how their music is distributed. I know these decisions are 99% of the time in the hands of the record company and not the artist, but I'd like to see that change.

There are a couple bands I like a lot that allow the audience to freely tape their concerts and trade them or put them on the internets or whatever they want. There are hundreds of bootleg tapes (for one band going back to the early '90s, for the other going back to the mid '60s) adding a ton of free stuff to their musical landscape and creating a very cool trading community. And the quality is usually pretty good because people bring nice recording equipment instead of hiding a tape-recorder down their pants. Perhaps more artists should adopt this strategy to get their music out to the people while still protecting their copywritten studio recordings.

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DukeNuke wrote:
But the thing is movies and music allready do get ripped off, redistributed, and plagiarized ... What the Pirate Party is trying to change is not which of the two people should do, only that people who download (about 10% of the population) should not be concidered criminals, when there's really no need for them to be concidered criminals.
But not everyone does that. If all 100% of the population just downloaded their movies and music for free (which would happen if this Pirate Party ever takes over), artists would make far, far less money if any at all.

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The film industry make money through cinemas, since it's not the same as watching the film through a monitor (and because it takes about a week for the movie to get from the cinemas to the internet, by wich time a lot of people will allready have watched it at the cinema).
Yes, but all that revenue would go straight to the cinema, seeing as they don't need any permission to show the movie. Plus, it only takes long to get on the Internet because it's illegal, and people worry about getting caught. If it were legal, it would be extremely easy for anyone (especially TV companies or anyone else who has a camera) to just record the movie or release it anyways.
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like Mike and Matt, make their money by distributing their work freely on the internet.
Actually, their work is copyrighted. You can watch it freely on their site, and they can make money at their store, but you can't take credit for the work or sell your own 'bootleg' Homestar products. Without copyright laws, even the Brothers Chaps would make less money.
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And software and game companies have allways made more and more money, despite file sharing.
Again, because some people have morals and are willing to buy the products. Somehow, the Pirate Party seems to think that their new ideas won't change the media at all, which is where they're way off.

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But the thing is movies and music allready do get ripped off, redistributed, and plagiarized ... What the Pirate Party is trying to change is not which of the two people should do, only that people who download (about 10% of the population) should not be concidered criminals, when there's really no need for them to be concidered criminals.


You assume if downloading copyrighted music for free were legal, that number would stick at 10%.

I don't pirate music, but if it were legal to do so, I'd be all over it.

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I agree and disagree. Yes, piracy should remain illegal. Do random searches of peoples houses, I don't care. Randomly confiscate MP3 players in schools and check if the music is copyright protected (from a disk they bought, or an online company selling MP3s) or illegally downloaded. Heck, you can even make the punishment death, I don't care.

Just don't start monitoring people's online activity. They are private for a reason. The internet is different from real life in 2 ways; privacy, and anonymity. You can't take those things away. If you do, expect riots.

...or you could just use a proxy.

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I don't get what you mean... You think the police can search through houses and files and CDs, but only monitoring online activity is privacy invasion?

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He doesn't want them to see the interracial midget nun porn he's looking up.

In all actuality though, that's a really messed up point of view. Seek therapy. Go early and often.


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He displays a disorder that we would call "Anon's Disease" in which he values being cowardly and not displaying who he is over anything else.

I hope it's just a phase, and he'll get over it soon enough.

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