Rusty wrote:
You're an idiot.
None of that, now.
Also, please cut down on the quotations. Strong Bad has taught us all the value of scroll buttons.
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| Author: | Ju Ju Master [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Quote: We can't fly without refueling Neither can a bird. They have to stop to sleep, eat, mate, all that stuff. We can fly much higher, faster and farther than a bird can. (Again, advocate. I'm somewhere in the middle on this issue, not swayed enough to pick or bother arguing for one side) |
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| Author: | Rusty [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Okay, I'll give you that. But when we fly, it's a product of our brains. When they do it, it's because of their wings. They're using one thing, we're using another. ...But actually, is this topic about who's better or if we're actually animals or not? (cause, you know, we are) |
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| Author: | bwave [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Rusty wrote: Flying is their thing. Swimming is their thing. We can do it, but they can do it better. But we dont even need to. If a fish couldnt swim, it would be screwed. A bird that couldnt fly would be a (Pardon me) sitting duck. A human that cant fly or swim would be.... Hmmm..... Not quite as screwed. |
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| Author: | Rusty [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Actually, we've turned so many things into neccessities it's not even funny. By the way, you know our SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE has many drawbacks. |
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| Author: | bwave [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Rusty wrote: Actually, we've turned so many things into neccessities it's not even funny. By the way, you know our SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE has many drawbacks. Humans need: Food Water Shelter And what's wrong with our superior knowledge? |
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| Author: | furrykef [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Rusty wrote: You're an idiot. None of that, now. Also, please cut down on the quotations. Strong Bad has taught us all the value of scroll buttons.
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| Author: | Rusty [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
bwave wrote: Rusty wrote: Actually, we've turned so many things into neccessities it's not even funny. By the way, you know our SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE has many drawbacks. Humans need: Food Water Shelter And what's wrong with our superior knowledge? You're still not getting it. Many people would not be able to live without the internet, airplanes, cars, etc. We've turned them into necessities. We have the potential to be corrupt. It's hard to be simple. furrykef wrote: Rusty wrote: You're an idiot. None of that, now. Also, please cut down on the quotations. Strong Bad has taught us all the value of scroll buttons. Yeah, that was kind of uncalled for. |
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| Author: | ed 'lim' smilde [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Rusty wrote: THEY CAN DO THESE THINGS NATURALLY. When we're comparing humans as animals to the rest of the species, there really is no 'natural' and 'unnatural'. In fact, to assume man-made things are 'unnatural' is to assume that we are better than animals, which defeats the point of your argument.
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
ed 'lim' smilde wrote: In fact, to assume man-made things are 'unnatural' is to assume that we are better than animals. How so? I'm not saying I agree with Rusty, but I don't understand this. |
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| Author: | ed 'lim' smilde [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Well, he is discounting things like cars used to travel faster than cheetahs only because cars are man-made. So basically he is saying that man cannot be better than animal because they rely on man-made things. |
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| Author: | furrykef [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
I think what ed is saying there is that if we're animals, anything we do is by definition natural, since we're just creatures in the wild, albeit really intelligent and technologically advanced creatures. The idea of "unnatural" becomes rather meaningless. |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
The attempt to distinguish between "natural" and "unnatural" when it comes to whether humans can exceed animals in any given category becomes pretty much meaningless. The fact is, if we can do it, we win. The imposition of the distinction is itself artificial, when you get right down to it, because such a distinction is only recognized by humans, anyway. But even if we allow the distinction between "natural" and "unnatural", it still proves that humans are unique, since we alone of all known creatures can actually accomplish something contrary to our nature. |
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| Author: | Rusty [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Well, everything we do is an extension of our brain. Ever play a Mario sport? You've got the speed character, the tricky character, and the all around character. The all around character can do everything, but they can't do specific things as well as the ones that are meant to do it. We're the all around characters. |
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| Author: | Ju Ju Master [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:22 am ] |
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Rusty wrote: The all around character can do everything, but they can't do specific things as well as the ones that are meant to do it. We're the all around characters. Then why are we so much better than animals at their specialties? |
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| Author: | ed 'lim' smilde [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:02 am ] |
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Rusty wrote: Ever play a Mario sport? You've got the speed character, the tricky character, and the all around character. The all around character can do everything, but they can't do specific things as well as the ones that are meant to do it. We're the all around characters. But there are things that we're tons better than animals at. Our intelligence is so far beyond other animals that it completely makes up for it and pretty much allows us to be good at everything else. So, I'd say we're more like the special cheat character who's so amazing at one thing that he automatically wins every game as long as the user tries. |
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| Author: | Rusty [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
I've been saying this entire time that we're more intelligent, but they're better at other things. |
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| Author: | ed 'lim' smilde [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:41 am ] |
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You said we're the all-around character who isn't the best at anything but pretty good at everything. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Rusty wrote: I've been saying this entire time that we're more intelligent, but they're better at other things. They are NATURALLY better at other things. We use our intelligence to enhance our abilities and can become greater at other things. I think the ability to overcome natural limitations would be something that would elevate humans above the animals. With that said, I can't argue that man is not (at least in the VERY basic definition of the word) animal. I mean, we're not plant or mineral. |
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| Author: | Parlod [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:53 am ] |
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StrongRad wrote: I mean, we're not plant or mineral. If only we could use photosynthesis. 
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| Author: | Rusty [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:54 am ] |
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ed 'lim' smilde wrote: You said we're the all-around character who isn't the best at anything but pretty good at everything. ...which is what I just said |
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| Author: | Ingiald [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:47 pm ] |
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StrongRad wrote: With that said, I can't argue that man is not (at least in the VERY basic definition of the word) animal. I mean, we're not plant or mineral. Neither are mushrooms, bacteria, and most proteans if you want to look at it that way. So obviously, Man is not an animal. Man is a kind of amoeba. |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
StrongRad wrote: Rusty wrote: I've been saying this entire time that we're more intelligent, but they're better at other things. They are NATURALLY better at other things. We use our intelligence to enhance our abilities and can become greater at other things. I think the ability to overcome natural limitations would be something that would elevate humans above the animals. With that said, I can't argue that man is not (at least in the VERY basic definition of the word) animal. I mean, we're not plant or mineral. The fact that we are animals is not in dispute. The term itself means simply that we are living, breathing creatures. What is in dispute is whether humans are unique or special. And it seems to me, from simple empirical observation, we are. SR pretty much nails it here: the fact that we use our intellect to overcome our natural limitations - and even to exceed other animals at what they do best - means that our greater intellect is to be preferred. A cheetah can run fast, but he can't use his superior natural speed to solve quadratic equations. Whereas a human being can use his superior intellect to build a machine capable of outrunning even the fastest cheetahs. Either way, we win. |
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| Author: | LordQuackingstick [ Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
In other words, we use tools. But we are not the sole tool-using species. And we have not overcome every achievment of the non-human world with our tools. Look at hummigbirds. What the human tool that most closely approximates a hummingbird? A helicopter, right? Well, both of them can fly fowards, left, right, and backwards. But can a helicopter fly upside-down? |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
LordQuackingstick wrote: Well, both of them can fly fowards, left, right, and backwards. But can a helicopter fly upside-down? Yes. Seriously. Can a hummingbird? |
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| Author: | LordQuackingstick [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
StrongRad wrote: LordQuackingstick wrote: Well, both of them can fly fowards, left, right, and backwards. But can a helicopter fly upside-down? Yes. Seriously. Can a hummingbird? Wikipedia wrote: There are two basic flight conditions for a helicopter; hover and forward flight. A hummingbird can. I don't think a helicopter can. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
LordQuackingstick wrote: StrongRad wrote: LordQuackingstick wrote: Well, both of them can fly fowards, left, right, and backwards. But can a helicopter fly upside-down? Yes. Seriously. Can a hummingbird? Wikipedia wrote: There are two basic flight conditions for a helicopter; hover and forward flight. A hummingbird can. I don't think a helicopter can. "Basic" Ever see Airwolf or a live demonstration of an Apache? They can fly upside down, just not well (or for very long). |
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| Author: | furrykef [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Do either hummingbirds or helicopters find any advantage in flying upside-down except in the rarest of situations? |
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| Author: | LordQuackingstick [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
Still, I'd like to see ANY man-made aircraft that can match a hummingbird in maneuverability. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
furrykef wrote: Do either hummingbirds or helicopters find any advantage in flying upside-down except in the rarest of situations? Is looking cool an advantage? If so, then yes, they do. Otherwise, I don't think so. That might be why you almost never see a hummingbird flying upside down. At any rate, a hummingbird naturally does what it does. A helicopter is not a natural thing. It's a random collection of non-natural things that is put together by humans for the simple purpose of flying. An ape can use a stick to get food out of a log, but that is not the same thing as using AutoCAD to design a helicopter. |
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| Author: | ed 'lim' smilde [ Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Man is an animal too, my boy! |
LordQuackingstick wrote: Still, I'd like to see ANY man-made aircraft that can match a hummingbird in maneuverability. We probably could, but what would be the point? |
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