Then why bother to go to church at all? Isn't that essentially living a lie? But from my perspective, if the Bible is indeed a record of God's interaction with humanity (and I have reason to believe it is), then it stands to reason that whatever God says about the nature of homosexuality is true, regardless of whether you are willing to accept it or not.

I'm having a hard time understanding your question, JAU. At first, you seemed to be asking why people are more offended by violence, but later, you seem to affirm that you believe violence to be more offensive.

I will answer from my own perspective: sex and violence are both realities of the world in which we live. As such, I think there can be adequate portrayals of both, but in my own estimation, there is far too much gratuitous portrayal of both. I like a good fight movie, like LOTR or Star Wars. But I have always found things like Friday the 13th to be just plain ridiculous. Violence can be portrayed in a way that contributes to the story, but it can also be portrayed in ways that appeal to baser feelings of people, to make them revel in the violence and gore.

So let us now relate this to pornography. While there can be adequate portrayals of love in a movie, the vast majority of pornography is entirely gratuitous. In fact, pornography by its very nature is intended to be gratuitous, to appeal to baser human instincts, to promote lust and fantasizing. While I am by no stretch of the imagination an expert on the subject of pornographic cinema, I would challenge anyone to put forth any pornographic movies where the porn was there simply to engage the story, and not to appeal to lust.

So there it is: violence can be a part of the story-telling, but gratuitous violence appeals to baser feelings, to blood-lust if you will. In the same way, love can be portrayed in a movie in a way that is tasteful and contributes to the story, but pornography appeals to baser human feelings of lust.

Cola, if you prefer humanity being driven by all its basest instincts instead of by decent, reasonable, moral behavior (i.e., you prefer everyone to be a bloodthirsty sex-crazed maniac), then I suppose that's up to you. Me, I actually prefer human beings tempering their lusts with rational thought.

Pornography serves no other function than to magnify lust and lustful behavior, both of which are spiritually unhealthy, and if left unchecked, can become mentally unhealthy. Pornography also promotes the objectification of women as well as men - though typically the former more than the latter - which is a socially unhealthy attitude, and is ultimately a contributing factor behind human trafficking and prostitution slavery.

so whats a guy to do? Hold it all in, and eventually become a Frigid man? Are they to force their wife to consent? Are they to go out and pay for a harlot? What are they do that won't get them in trouble with the law?

I understand that you've studied it, and helped around 4 or 5 porn addicts, but those were ADDICTS, they spent ALL of their time watching porn a masturbating. Not all people who do watch porn end up like that.

Porn objectifies both men and women as mere sex objects.

Porn is not required to do that. Instinctively, men and women see each other as tools of reproduction and are drawn to each other for that purpose.

Porn is not required to do that. Instinctively, men and women see each other as tools of reproduction and are drawn to each other for that purpose.

Remember that blonde haired pageant queen that kicked off the plane a while ago?

Well, I guess she's now on Playboy to show off what her Daddy gave her for her 19th birthday.

I still don't get the mentality of someone that likes to pose naked for perverted old men and prepubescent kids.

I finally moved the AbuGrape45/COLA argument to the Spam Vault. You guys behave now, all right?

- Kef

By the way, last month I did a little experiment: starting from around the 22nd or 23rd -- unfortunately, I didn't record the date, but it was a bit longer than a week -- to the end of the month, I told myself, no more porn. The one exception was if I drew the porn myself -- as a motivation to draw -- which was an option I ended up not exercising.