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even though we know they're wrong.

- Kef

Guys, it even says in their FAQ they're not a joke.

Come on now.

For all I know, EVERYTHING around me is just an elaborate hoax perpetrated by, of course, JoeyDay.

Then again, it could still be a joke. If it is, it's a very good one. I've always wondered about how great it would be if someone made up all sorts of information, posted it in random places to be listed as "sources", then started a wikipedia article about it.

bwave wrote:

I can see it now: we start a conspiracy about socks (or something else stupid) being the direct cause of global warming. We'll call it the SEOL Society. (Socks Eliminate Ozone Layer)

Kef, I hear you're a mod at that forum.

Care to explain?

I find that thread hilarious for some reason.

Of course, it could just be the remnants of that quart of cerveza I had at the Mexican restaurant just now.

Didymus wrote:

I find that thread hilarious for some reason.

Of course, it could just be the remnants of that quart of cerveza I had at the Mexican restaurant just now.

Ha, I knew your life wasn't all "Peaches and Creme." You get Sloshed every once in a while too.

Q: "What's underneath the Earth?" aka "What's on the bottom?" aka "What's on the other side?"

A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.

Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"

A: It's a conspiracy

Quote:

Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"

A: It's a conspiracy

Great answer.
Nice and direct.

What would be the the point of the Government spending all this money to prove the Earth is round, when it's not?
Idiots.

Author:	furrykef [ Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:40 am ]
Post subject:	The Flat Earth Society
Now, I know all of us believe in a round earth (at least I hope so), so of course this isn't going to be a debate over whether or not the earth is flat. But a Flat Earth Society does in fact exist, although I'm sure its membership is very small. What's interesting and illustrative about it, though, is that it's impossible to win a debate with these people. However, believe it or not, they don't resort to the usual "la la la la la I'm not listening" method of not losing an argument. They always find a way to try to make the evidence fit their point of view, even though it always involves some gross violation of the scientific method, not to mention Occam's Razor. Check out their FAQ, for example. Utterly ridiculous ideas, of course, but there's a lot more subtlety than there appears. We know, of course, that Antarctica is not really a 150-foot high wall of ice that surrounds a circular planet, but how can we prove that without flying over it, and without space photos that theoretically could have been doctored, etc.? Their FAQ has a severely weak answer to one of the questions, though. It claims that sunrises and sunsets are caused by perspective: as the overhead sun moves further and further away, it appears to disappear. So I posted (fully expecting to "lose" any debate) asking how this could be possible because the sun doesn't appear to shrink. The response I got was "The effect is due to Sun-Aether Refraction." Naturally, this is something that google has never heard of except from that forum. Surprise, surprise... I think all this proves that we need the scientific method and Occam's Razor to have any kind of sanity at all in the world. If you ignore them, it's too easy to arrive at all sorts of crazy conclusions. I just thought that this was interesting... though I do hope to dear God (should he exist) that not very many people think the earth is flat. - Kef

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:33 am ]
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Four Elephants and a turtle. Hrmmm..... Kinda like this?

Author:	Didymus [ Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:39 am ]
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The last time I checked into the Flat Earth Society, I kind of felt the same way as Magna: they're not serious, but are an attempt at satire. Besides, we all know the earth is banana shaped.

Author:	Homerun Starrer [ Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:26 pm ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: this Thread over, Cola wins.

Author:	HHFOV [ Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:22 pm ]
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Guys, it even says in their FAQ they're not a joke. Come on now.

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Author:	furrykef [ Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:30 pm ]
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I think whether or not it's meant to be satire is 1) impossible to prove, and 2) aside from the point. What intrigues me is the sort of arguments that these guys put forth and yet it's so difficult to disprove them, even though we know they're wrong. - Kef

Author:	StrongRad [ Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:47 pm ]
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furrykef wrote: even though we know they're wrong. - Kef ...or do we? For all I know, EVERYTHING around me is just an elaborate hoax perpetrated by, of course, JoeyDay. I love the argument about airplane pictures. Perhaps I didn't really fly somewhere. Hmmm....

Author:	Lunar Jesty [ Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:52 am ]
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: Guys, it even says in their FAQ they're not a joke. Come on now. I am a dog. This is not a joke. I am an actual dog who can type. This is absolutely not satire of the naiveté of another poster: I am a typing German Shepard. This is obviously a joke, but Kef brings up a good point. Without the ability to call "fallacy!" and "wait, what are you talking about, you realize that's a little convoluted, right" anything can go. Luckily, we live in a world where most educated people can make conclusions based on the evidence given to us. After all, drawing reasonable conclusions is a survival skill that every living thing has: the thing with pointy teeth running towards you may just be trying to give you a hug. But probably not.

Author:	Dark Grapefruit [ Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:24 am ]
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I forget whether the FES was a joke that got a bunch of real crazies, or a crazy society that got a bunch of joke posters. Either way, I'm pretty sure there's a healthy mix of each now.

Author:	bwave [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:50 am ]
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They make the most fundamental mistakes in their reasoning (If they are in fact, not a joke). For example: They say the government is guarding the ice wall. Why would the government do this? Why would they pay thousands of employess on snowmobiles (From a link on their FAQ) to guard it? And, most of all, how did they manage to discover the wall with no one knowing about it? Comlumbus knew about the new world before the government that sent him...

Author:	Color Printer [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:57 am ]
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StrongRad wrote: For all I know, EVERYTHING around me is just an elaborate hoax perpetrated by, of course, JoeyDay. Everything you know is a lie. Only the wiki truly exists. Only the wiki is the truth. On topic:...that site seems satirical. Even though it says its not a joke. Is there a difference between satire and a joke?

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:58 am ]
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Its Real.

Author:	bwave [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:01 am ]
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Then again, it could still be a joke. If it is, it's a very good one. I've always wondered about how great it would be if someone made up all sorts of information, posted it in random places to be listed as "sources", then started a wikipedia article about it.

Author:	Color Printer [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:04 am ]
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bwave wrote: Then again, it could still be a joke. If it is, it's a very good one. I've always wondered about how great it would be if someone made up all sorts of information, posted it in random places to be listed as "sources", then started a wikipedia article about it. I can see it now: we start a conspiracy about socks (or something else stupid) being the direct cause of global warming. We'll call it the SEOL Society. (Socks Eliminate Ozone Layer)

Author:	furrykef [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:21 am ]
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Eh? No, I've only made a few posts there. I had a debate that didn't go very well mostly because the other round-earthers refused to stay focused, so I gave up and locked the thread. You're allowed to lock your own threads without mod powers at that forum, so maybe that's where the confusion comes from. - Kef

Author:	furrykef [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:42 am ]
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Debe de ser la cerveza. ("Must be the beer.")

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Author:	bwave [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:59 am ]
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Color Printer wrote: bwave wrote: Then again, it could still be a joke. If it is, it's a very good one. I've always wondered about how great it would be if someone made up all sorts of information, posted it in random places to be listed as "sources", then started a wikipedia article about it. I can see it now: we start a conspiracy about socks (or something else stupid) being the direct cause of global warming. We'll call it the SEOL Society. (Socks Eliminate Ozone Layer) Put it in 9 blogs, a small site with a .org extension, and get our scientist friend to put it in his blog (Reffered to as a journal, becuase he is a scientist, of course), and there you have it: Enough sources for wikipedia.org. Paint that toast. And the toast is flat.

Author:	Silent [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:04 pm ]
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Quote: I can see it now: we start a conspiracy about socks (or something else stupid) being the direct cause of global warming. We'll call it the SEOL Society. (Socks Eliminate Ozone Layer) Problem is, you might be able to MAKE such a good argument. If you claim that the materials needed to produce socks create too much CO2 and greenhouse gases, and that, to be perfectly honest, we don't NEED socks thanks to the creation of shoes, that we need to abandon socks once and for all. Socks are too weak, they are consumable, they are utterly useless. Do people in Africa wear socks? NO! Why should we? End this demand for luxury! Make sacrifices to save the future! **** I think the Flat Earth Society is real. To think that it is fake and that the person just created all those sources is too big a conspiracy theory for me, akin to believing that the Moon Landing is all a hoax.

Author:	ChickenLeg [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:36 pm ]
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If it's all a joke, then these guys must be VERY good at persuasion and making valid arguments. If not...

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:23 pm ]
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Kef, I hear you're a mod at that forum. Care to explain?

Author:	Beyond the Grave [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:24 am ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: Kef, I hear you're a mod at that forum. Care to explain? Someone even asked about you, Kef.

Author:	Didymus [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:35 am ]
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I find that thread hilarious for some reason. Of course, it could just be the remnants of that quart of cerveza I had at the Mexican restaurant just now.

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:06 am ]
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Didymus wrote: I find that thread hilarious for some reason. Of course, it could just be the remnants of that quart of cerveza I had at the Mexican restaurant just now. Ha, I knew your life wasn't all "Peaches and Creme." You get Sloshed every once in a while too.

Author:	STupendous7 [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:06 pm ]
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Didymus wrote: I find that thread hilarious for some reason. Of course, it could just be the remnants of that quart of cerveza I had at the Mexican restaurant just now. I also find it hilarious too. Just something about "throwing out all previous knowledge and starting fresh with new experiments and using your intuition to figure out the earth is flat."

Author:	Didymus [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:17 pm ]
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I meant specifically the thread discussing Kef's mod status over there.

Author:	IantheGecko [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:07 am ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: Didymus wrote: I find that thread hilarious for some reason. Of course, it could just be the remnants of that quart of cerveza I had at the Mexican restaurant just now. Ha, I knew your life wasn't all "Peaches and Creme." You get Sloshed every once in a while too. I'll refer you to Romans 3:23.

Author:	Didymus [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:12 am ]
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It was a quart of beer, Cola. I'd hardly use the term "sloshed" to describe it.

Author:	Metal Head [ Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:40 pm ]
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Quote: Q: "What's underneath the Earth?" aka "What's on the bottom?" aka "What's on the other side?" A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle. That just made my day.

Author:	SEAN'D! [ Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:40 pm ]
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Quote: Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?" A: It's a conspiracy Great answer. Nice and direct. What would be the the point of the Government spending all this money to prove the Earth is round, when it's not? Idiots.

Author:	StrongRad [ Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:15 pm ]
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SEAN'D! wrote: Quote: Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?" A: It's a conspiracy Great answer. Nice and direct. What would be the the point of the Government spending all this money to prove the Earth is round, when it's not? Idiots. They've spent a lot of money on dumber things.