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Hillary or Barack?
Hillary Clinton 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Barack Obama 63%  63%  [ 42 ]
Neither 33%  33%  [ 22 ]
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Patchwork laws don't work.
I say just go ahead and legalize (or whatever the word is) or ban gay marriage at the federal level and be done with it. Actually, legalizing it wouldn't bother me at all. I'm married and I feel that every person on this planet has the right to be as miserable as I am (I kid, I kid... about the miserable part, anyway).


That. On the side of legalizing it. Gay marriage is a non-issue that distracts us from the important things, like abortion and stem-cell research. :rolleyes:



I don't know, whenever I hear someone gushing about how Ron Paul is the next Lincoln/Jesus, I become filled with suspicion. I'm a cynical kinda guy, when it comes to politics.

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I don't know, whenever I hear someone gushing about how Ron Paul is the next Lincoln/Jesus, I become filled with suspicion. I'm a cynical kinda guy, when it comes to politics.


He's neither. He's just an honest man who wants us to live based on our roots. I like that.

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I don't know, whenever I hear someone gushing about how Ron Paul is the next Lincoln/Jesus, I become filled with suspicion. I'm a cynical kinda guy, when it comes to politics.

I feel you there.
Obama's followers bother me in this regard, too.
Fortunately, I know enough about him to think he actually has some substance beneath the shine.

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I haven't seen many Obama supporters think he's gonna be the next Lincoln. Most of what I see is "hey, brotha got a chance, gonna go vote for 'em".

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Barack Obama being against video games will not resonate well with young voters. The more and more we find out about this mystery candidate the more we see how unelectable he truly is.


oh the irony

According to this Obama does something awesome

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Barack Obama being against video games will not resonate well with young voters. The more and more we find out about this mystery candidate the more we see how unelectable he truly is.


oh the irony

According to this Obama does something awesome

You need to set them straight on this issue...
It was Ms. Clinton that doesn't like video games. Before that, it was Mr Gore's wife that was against music...

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You need to set them straight on this issue...
It was Ms. Clinton that doesn't like video games. Before that, it was Mr Gore's wife that was against music...


Tipper didn't like video games either. She believed that every corporation, no matter what they produced, had a responsibility to protect society against themselves.

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Clinton is against Video Games, and she's openly friends with Jack Thompson. The only way to win the next few contests is to start a campaign about Obama playing video games. Hell, if there was a video of him waiting in line at a gamestop going to pick up a copy of GTA4 last monday night, he would be elected IMMEDIATELY.

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I'm sure Obama rolls through Liberty City in a most dope manner.

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A more important question: in San Andreas, did he say yes or not to the pushers?

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I'm sure Obama rolls through Liberty City in a most dope manner.


^ Laughed waaaaaaaay too hard. :mrgreen:

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She believed that every corporation, no matter what they produced, had a responsibility to protect society against themselves.

I've never found that to be effective, useful, or constitutional.

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She believed that every corporation, no matter what they produced, had a responsibility to protect society against themselves.

I've never found that to be effective, useful, or constitutional.


Agreed.

It's very much that "it takes a village" mentality. Clinton loves it.

I think it's freaking insane.

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She believed that every corporation, no matter what they produced, had a responsibility to protect society against themselves.

I've never found that to be effective, useful, or constitutional.


Agreed.

It's very much that "it takes a village" mentality. Clinton loves it.

I think it's freaking insane.

I'm a McCain supporter, but if I have to serve under a democratic president, I would rather it be Obama.

Actual conversation between a friend of mine that supports Obama, and myself.
"If it takes a village, she's their idiot"
"She just doesn't smell what Barack is cookin'."

5 months later, the WWE air's Barack's "If you smell what Barack is cookin'" ad.

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StrongRad wrote:
I'm a McCain supporter, but if I have to serve under a democratic president, I would rather it be Obama.


Agreed. Not on the McCain part, but the "if I had to..." part. :mrgreen:

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So, looks like Obama's going to definitely be the nominee, according to Tim Russert. Hillary would have to win 88% of the remaining delegates and get 69% of the remaining superdelegates to get the nomination, and it pretty much is not going to happen.

So all that's left is to see if Obama's going to ask her to be his Veep. i don't think she'd do it, though. She wouldn't settle for second place, I bet.

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I could see Obama picking Hillary as a veep. it'd be an unstoppable ticket.

Of course he has better supporters like Deval.

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He's not gonna pick another black guy. It'll either be Hillary or somebody from a swing state, like Ohio or Virginia. Ted Strickland, Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, somebody like that.

I also bet McCain picks someone really young. Bobby Jindal from Louisiana or Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska, would be good picks for him.

I'm no pundit, though, so we'll have to see.

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Maybe a guy from Pennsylvania to try and get their votes back. Or possibly California or one of the other big states he lost.

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Or possibly California or one of the other big states he lost.
I don't know how well that will work considering the fact that California is a Democrat Stronghold.

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Or possibly California or one of the other big states he lost.
I don't know how well that will work considering the fact that California is a Democrat Stronghold.


cuz we spoiled brats who love to be taken care of.

hurrrrrk...

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Any Democrat will win California, but maybe you're right about PA, Noid. I know Bob Casey's got some pretty big ambitions, but the person who would do the most to win PA for Obama would be Hillary.

I think the Republican VP nominee is pretty much going to be whoever the Republicans run in 2012 when Obama wins in November. It's like an audition. That's gonna be important.

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I don't know how well that will work considering the fact that California is a Democrat Stronghold.


Um,, we're talking about the Democrats. Unless I'm getting this wrong.

McCain sure is taking his time choosing a veep.

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Oh, I thought you were talking about McCain.

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Nah.

On the subject of McCain though, I doubt he'll pick any of the other Republican candidates. Probably a guy from another big state with more points up for the taking.

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I could see Obama picking Hillary as a veep. it'd be an unstoppable ticket.



I certainly don't. You think Hillary has worked as hard as she for as many years as she has to accept a VP slot from a junior senator?

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Hillary wants any sort of power she can get at this point. Vice President is the closest thing and some actual presidential experience would look good on her resume.

Yeah, I said it. Making pork chops and going on goodwill tours with Bill/showing up to promotional events doesn't count.

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Something tells me that if Hillary gets Veep, Obama will be assassinated by a team of Clinton Mercenaries.

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I could see Obama picking Hillary as a veep. it'd be an unstoppable ticket.



I certainly don't. You think Hillary has worked as hard as she for as many years as she has to accept a VP slot from a junior senator?

Hillary is a junior senator, too.
You DO know what "junior senator" means, right?

I don't see her and Obama getting along on anything. This race has been too dirty for either of them to really be friends again.

One thing it has done to my impression of the democratic party is put make me think they are a bunch of "people should do whatever they want, as long as I agree with it" type people. The way Obama and Hillary supporters argue about who should quit the race, who the superdelegates should vote for, etc. makes me wonder if there are any members of the party that aren't so self-absorbed that they can't let go of their own self-love for the good of their own party (of course, I think there are and I hope the loudmouths are a vocal minority).
Keep the primaries going. If one of the candidates drops out now, I'm fairly certain that a lot of people will look at it as "I supported this guy and now he's quitting".
I love the enthusiasm all of my democrat friends are showing about the upcoming primary. The November turnout will be HUGE if the primary excitement carries over.

High voter turnouts are great for the country.

Personally, I would love to talk to Obama or Hillary to see what their plans are to fix things.
Obama hasn't made a visit to Frankfort that I know of, but the Clinton family's been here. Bill was here a couple months back and Chelsea was here today. I hear her cousin's dog's vet's brother-in-law's old college roommate is coming next week.

One thing I know I'm sure of is that Hillary's "make the gas companies pay the gas tax" plan won't work. If the gas companies pay 30 cents of federal gas tax, they'll just charge us 40 cents for the trouble.

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Hillary is a junior senator, too.
You DO know what "junior senator" means, right?


A poor choice of words on my part. Hillary has been a national figure in politics since 1992, and a senator since 2000. Obama's been a senator for not even four years.

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