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But what if such a candidate really changes his mind based on reasoning and hard thought, rather than simply trying to be more popular? Surely that's commendable as well?

It certainly makes him more popular among hardcore Christian conservatives, who I think he was trying to appeal to.

Acekirby wrote:

I could never vote for Huckabee. Sorry, but going out and publicly saying "Evolution is a complete lie and never happened"

That's not what he said. He sounded more like "I believe God created the universe, and I don't know how he did it, but I believe he was actively involved in it and that it didn't just happen by chance." Assuming that Evolution implies that we were created as a complete accident, then he would disagree with it (as would I), but if Evolution is thought of as just the process by which species grew and changed over time, he doesn't deny it. In fact, here's what he said.

I've seen his interviews with Colbert. I swear one time Colbert said something like "...and evolution?" and Huckabee was flat-out "Complete myth".

What is his position on things that aren't related to morality (ie things not related to abortion, gay marriage, etc...which, actually, are other reasons he wouldn't have my vote)...?

As for the whole "appeal to the hardcore conservatives", that's why Romney lost. He tried too hard to be really right-wing and alienated the moderates. Huckabee lasted longer because he found support in the Bible belt.

I've seen his interviews with Colbert. I swear one time Colbert said something like "...and evolution?" and Huckabee was flat-out "Complete myth".

NYT's attmept scum launch regarding a relationship between McCain and a lobbyist failed.
Now they're trying to say that he might not be eligible to be president because he was born on a base in the Panama Canal Zone.
Let's think about this.

He was born to military parents who were both natural born, US Citizens. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone (which was US soil at the time). There is no reason he is not a natural-born US Citizen.
Natural-Born US Citizen means someone is not a foreign national that becomes a US Citizen.

*sigh*

Well, since Ron Paul has basically now officially lost, it looks like I'm going to have to ride the McCain Train.

To be completely honest, I'm not sure of who I like anymore, and with that little nugget of information you provided, I'm starting to lean a little bit to McCain.

AbuGrape45 wrote:

To be completely honest, I'm not sure of who I like anymore, and with that little nugget of information you provided, I'm starting to lean a little bit to McCain.

What nugget of info?

The Cool Guys on the Internet (TM) thing? How could that possibly sway you at all?

he wants to implement socialism in healthcare, but at the same time somehow claims he'll lower taxes.

Well, since Ron Paul has basically now officially lost, it looks like I'm going to have to ride the McCain Train.

No, but now it's like totally impossible, since McCain has a majority of the delegates, unless he dies.

AbuGrape45 wrote:

To be completely honest, I'm not sure of who I like anymore, and with that little nugget of information you provided, I'm starting to lean a little bit to McCain.

What nugget of info?

The Cool Guys on the Internet (TM) thing? How could that possibly sway you at all?

he wants to implement socialism in healthcare, but at the same time somehow claims he'll lower taxes.

Author:	ed 'lim' smilde [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:30 pm ]
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furrykef wrote: But what if such a candidate really changes his mind based on reasoning and hard thought, rather than simply trying to be more popular? Surely that's commendable as well? But how is this making him more popular? It seems more people dislike him because he (as it appears, but not really according to my last post) doesn't believe in Evolution.

Author:	Rogue Leader [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:32 pm ]
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It certainly makes him more popular among hardcore Christian conservatives, who I think he was trying to appeal to.

Author:	StrongRad [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:00 pm ]
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Rogue Leader wrote: It certainly makes him more popular among hardcore Christian conservatives, who I think he was trying to appeal to. That strategy never made much sense to me. The hardcore Christian conservatives are almost always going to vote for the Republican candidate over the Democratic candidate. Reaching towards the middle, maybe even the "other side" is the way to get votes. Of course, this is his "primary" strategy. You have to get the hardcores of your party to vote for you if you want to have any chance of winning the nomination, even if doing so isolates you from independents and moderates.

Author:	Acekirby [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:47 am ]
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ed 'lim' smilde wrote: Acekirby wrote: I could never vote for Huckabee. Sorry, but going out and publicly saying "Evolution is a complete lie and never happened" That's not what he said. He sounded more like "I believe God created the universe, and I don't know how he did it, but I believe he was actively involved in it and that it didn't just happen by chance." Assuming that Evolution implies that we were created as a complete accident, then he would disagree with it (as would I), but if Evolution is thought of as just the process by which species grew and changed over time, he doesn't deny it. In fact, here's what he said. I've seen his interviews with Colbert. I swear one time Colbert said something like "...and evolution?" and Huckabee was flat-out "Complete myth". Ido, sticking to your ideals is all fine and good, but I don't believe a leader should place so much stock in his faith. What is his position on things that aren't related to morality (ie things not related to abortion, gay marriage, etc...which, actually, are other reasons he wouldn't have my vote)...? He seems to just be running on the "Bible and family values" platform. I kind of like Huckabee as a guy. I don't agree with him on religious issues and stuff, but I like his willingness to joke and work with the Stewart/Colbert/Conan crowd. I just wouldn't want him as president. As for the whole "appeal to the hardcore conservatives", that's why Romney lost. He tried too hard to be really right-wing and alienated the moderates. Huckabee lasted longer because he found support in the Bible belt.

Author:	ed 'lim' smilde [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:27 am ]
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Acekirby wrote: I've seen his interviews with Colbert. I swear one time Colbert said something like "...and evolution?" and Huckabee was flat-out "Complete myth". That must've been sarcastic, then. Like you said, it's his willingness to joke around with the Colbert crowd. I take what he said in a Republican debate (the link I had) over what he said on Colbert. Quote: What is his position on things that aren't related to morality (ie things not related to abortion, gay marriage, etc...which, actually, are other reasons he wouldn't have my vote)...? Well, he's probably the most outspoken supporter of the FairTax (which seems to have tax qualities of both parties), and he isn't the most fiscally conservative (he did tax pretty high as a governor). Socially, he is more conservative and for gun rights. And he probably supports the war. (Also, I'd say abortion is an ethical issue, not a religious one, but whatever.) Quote: As for the whole "appeal to the hardcore conservatives", that's why Romney lost. He tried too hard to be really right-wing and alienated the moderates. Huckabee lasted longer because he found support in the Bible belt. Yeah... for me, I didn't like how he seemed to 'change' once he started running for president. He actually probably changed more in my favor, but it didn't make him seem like the most honest guy.

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Author:	furrykef [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:56 am ]
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Acekirby wrote: I've seen his interviews with Colbert. I swear one time Colbert said something like "...and evolution?" and Huckabee was flat-out "Complete myth". I know if I were in an interview with Colbert (assuming it was a Colbert Report interview, not an interview with Colbert out of character), I wouldn't take it that seriously, no matter whether or not I was on "his" side.

Author:	The Noid [ Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:18 pm ]
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I've learned a lot about Huckabee from his times on Colbert. Mostly how he plays air hockey.

Author:	StrongRad [ Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:40 am ]
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NYT's attmept scum launch regarding a relationship between McCain and a lobbyist failed. Now they're trying to say that he might not be eligible to be president because he was born on a base in the Panama Canal Zone. Let's think about this. He was born to military parents who were both natural born, US Citizens. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone (which was US soil at the time). There is no reason he is not a natural-born US Citizen. Natural-Born US Citizen means someone is not a foreign national that becomes a US Citizen. sigh

Author:	HHFOV [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:43 am ]
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StrongRad wrote: NYT's attmept scum launch regarding a relationship between McCain and a lobbyist failed. Now they're trying to say that he might not be eligible to be president because he was born on a base in the Panama Canal Zone. Let's think about this. He was born to military parents who were both natural born, US Citizens. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone (which was US soil at the time). There is no reason he is not a natural-born US Citizen. Natural-Born US Citizen means someone is not a foreign national that becomes a US Citizen. sigh

Author:	HHFOV [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:28 am ]
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Well, since Ron Paul has basically now officially lost, it looks like I'm going to have to ride the McCain Train.

Author:	Rusty [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:15 am ]
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: Well, since Ron Paul has basically now officially lost, it looks like I'm going to have to ride the McCain Train. So you seriously apply yourself to a party instead of picking a candidate by his values, etc. This disappoints me greatly.

Author:	AbuGrape45 [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:18 am ]
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Yeah, that's seriously bad. I lean to the Republican side, but I'm not sure that McCain is the most capable candidate.

Author:	HHFOV [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:19 am ]
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No, I'm libertarian and supported the democrats in '04. I actually genuinely like McCain more than Obama and Hillary since he's raised taxes less in his voting records and is less for big government than the democrats this year.

Author:	AbuGrape45 [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:20 am ]
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I agree with some of McCain's views, such as those applying to the war in Iraq, but I think Obama would do a better job as President.

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Author:	HHFOV [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:22 am ]
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Yeah, I dunno, though. All the Cool Guys On The Internet(TM) like Obama, but it's like, he wants to implement socialism in healthcare, but at the same time somehow claims he'll lower taxes. lolwut

Author:	AbuGrape45 [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:24 am ]
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OK, then. To be completely honest, I'm not sure of who I like anymore, and with that little nugget of information you provided, I'm starting to lean a little bit to McCain.

Author:	Acekirby [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:06 am ]
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AbuGrape45 wrote: To be completely honest, I'm not sure of who I like anymore, and with that little nugget of information you provided, I'm starting to lean a little bit to McCain. What nugget of info? The Cool Guys on the Internet (TM) thing? How could that possibly sway you at all?

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:14 am ]
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Acekirby wrote: AbuGrape45 wrote: To be completely honest, I'm not sure of who I like anymore, and with that little nugget of information you provided, I'm starting to lean a little bit to McCain. What nugget of info? The Cool Guys on the Internet (TM) thing? How could that possibly sway you at all? "oh jeez, if I'm not original on the internet, people won't like me!"

Author:	gunluva [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:57 am ]
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: he wants to implement socialism in healthcare, but at the same time somehow claims he'll lower taxes. That part ... I think.

Author:	The Noid [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:09 pm ]
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: Well, since Ron Paul has basically now officially lost, it looks like I'm going to have to ride the McCain Train. You're saying this now? Has Ron Paul actually ever stood a chance?

Author:	HHFOV [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:48 pm ]
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No, but now it's like totally impossible, since McCain has a majority of the delegates, unless he dies.

Author:	Droideka [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:28 pm ]
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HipHoppityFrogOfValue wrote: No, but now it's like totally impossible, since McCain has a majority of the delegates, unless he dies. It's not as if he's not old enough. Anywho, I would have been for Ron Paul, Thompson before he dropped out, but now I'll probably have to go with McCain. He was third in my line-up anyway.

Author:	AbuGrape45 [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:31 pm ]
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Acekirby wrote: AbuGrape45 wrote: To be completely honest, I'm not sure of who I like anymore, and with that little nugget of information you provided, I'm starting to lean a little bit to McCain. What nugget of info? The Cool Guys on the Internet (TM) thing? How could that possibly sway you at all? I was referring to this, FOV wrote: he wants to implement socialism in healthcare, but at the same time somehow claims he'll lower taxes. But I'm actually pretty sure it's not accurate.