Ah, ok. I thought we were at a disagreement
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
This is where I draw the line. What the heck? Social Injustice? Being Too Rich? Genetic Engineering? Polluting? ABORTION? Sure, some things on the new list are nice and should have been added beforehand, but what makes them a deadly sin now? Whats considered a Social Injustice? How rich is too rich? Without Genetic Engineering, alot of supposed incurable diseases of the past would still be running rampart. How is pollution going to lead us to hell? Why now? Why all of this? What makes this all relevent now? What about people who did these acts in the past? Are scientists of days old suddenly burning in hell? This brings up alot of questions about the way the Catholic church is ran and how God intended it to be ran. Its like...The Vatican is the place where the idea-men of the Catholic church meet up to disscuss how to make their religion better. It makes no sense! What are your thoughts about these new seven deadly social sins? |
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| Author: | The Noid [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Didn't they make 7 Deadly Vehicle Sins like six months ago too? I think we have enough sins, don't make it so I can't brush my teeth, please. Quote: pedophilia Does this meaning raping a kid or do you not have to rape a kid for it to be a sin? We have a thread about that I think. Yeah I found it. Also, lol Quote: Only a matter of time before pedophilia gains the same level of social acceptance that homosexuality is gunning for.
God help us all. Where does it end? |
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| Author: | Strong Josh [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
What an idiot. If the Catholic hierarchs actually think this will catch on, they have no intelligence or common sense whatsoever. |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Strong Josh wrote: What an idiot. If the Catholic hierarchs actually think this will catch on, they have no intelligence or common sense whatsoever. Umm, this was made at the top. Pope Benedict pretty much signed it into Catholic law himself. So there is no one on the earth higher. |
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| Author: | Strong Josh [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
...and this is supposed to change my opinion? |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Strong Josh wrote: ...and this is supposed to change my opinion? You said "hierarchs," so you obviously think theres a human higher than the pope. |
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| Author: | Strong Josh [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
The pope is no "higher" than you or me. I don't buy the whole Catholic "holier than thou" bullcrap. Same with holy water and praying to the Saints and the Virgin Mary. God loves all of us equally and will listen to anyone just as readily as someone arbitrarily crowned King of Christendom. |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Strong Josh wrote: The pope is no "higher" than you or me. I don't buy the whole Catholic "holier than thou" bullcrap. Same with holy water and praying to the Saints and the Virgin Mary. God loves all of us equally and will listen to anyone just as readily as someone arbitrarily crowned King of Christendom. Exactly, which is why this whole idea of updating the 7 deadly sins is a crock of bull! |
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| Author: | Strong Josh [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Ah, ok. I thought we were at a disagreement
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Strong Josh wrote: Ah, ok. I thought we were at a disagreement I do this sometimes to make a point. |
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| Author: | netzen [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
I really don't see any purpose for this at all. All of these can fall under the orriginal 7 deadly sins (except for maybe the really stupid ones (seriously, pollution?). Or even better, use my church's def: The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. |
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| Author: | ed 'lim' smilde [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
What's so crazy about this? The only thing on that list that doesn't seem bad is genetic engineering, but that could have bad uses as well as good. I just don't agree with how the Catholic church believes in stuff like this that are un-Biblical... since when does a council in the Vatican decide what 'mortal sins' lead to hell? I think the Catholic church does some things well, but I don't like their ideas like 'purgatory' and 'pennance' and stuff... if it's not in the Bible and Jesus didn't seem to think it, I don't see why they should teach it. |
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| Author: | Strong Josh [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Pennance is most definitely in the Bible. The only way to get to Heaven is to repent. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Strong Josh wrote: Pennance is most definitely in the Bible. The only way to get to Heaven is to repent. Repenting and Penance (at least Catholic Penance) are two different things. Penance involves confessional and a punishment for those sins. I thought most Christians believe all of our sins are already paid for, provided we ask God to forgive them. Didymus?!? |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
StrongRad wrote: Didymus?!? No, no, I told you, gutter, seven beers, Newgrounds and Fursfurchrist, you'll find him somewhere around there. |
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| Author: | Capt. Ido Nos [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
StrongRad wrote: I thought most Christians believe all of our sins are already paid for, provided we ask God to forgive them. Didymus?!? >.> <.< The vast majority of Christianity believes that the simple profession of faith of Jesus and repenting of your sins is enough to get into heaven. In John 1:12-13 it says "To all who believed him, to those who believed in his name he gave the right to become Children of God." This line of thought is repeated throughout the New Testament and is consistently the only real true *thing* that we as humans have to do to be saved. Everything else (baptism, the Lord's Supper) are just symbolic reminders to ourselves and the rest of the world as to what Christ has done for us. So, in short, yes Sree, that's what most of us believe. Nothing else in the Bible saying we have to do anything else. In fact, it even explicitly says that it's not, just to clear up any confusion there. Anyhow, my opinion on the whole new 7 social sins? First off, the Pope's not getting this directly from the Bible, so you've got to see where he is getting or deriving it from. I'd say that ultimately most of it flies with what the Bible says (no abortion, because that's murder, no pedophilia, that's lust) and even some of them (pollution) can sort of be justified (man's charge to cultivate the earth) but there is in my opinion too much elbow room to call it a cardinal sin or anything like that. What I think the biggest problem with all of it is that it doesn't *seem* like the right sort of thing for the Pope to be doing. It sounds all to gooberish a move, putting out a statement like this. A lot of it will be ignored, but that doesn't validate it at all. I really think this was an attempt to be hip and cool in a different society, and that there is probably a better way to get this out to the world without it seeming lame. However, if his goal was to at least get us talking about it, then he certainly succeeded 
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| Author: | ramrod [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: Strong Josh wrote: What an idiot. If the Catholic hierarchs actually think this will catch on, they have no intelligence or common sense whatsoever. Umm, this was made at the top. Pope Benedict pretty much signed it into Catholic law himself. So there is no one on the earth higher. Obscene riches and pedophilia? Well, the Catholic Church knows a lot on those subjects... |
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| Author: | MooKoo [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
ramrod wrote: Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: Strong Josh wrote: What an idiot. If the Catholic hierarchs actually think this will catch on, they have no intelligence or common sense whatsoever. Umm, this was made at the top. Pope Benedict pretty much signed it into Catholic law himself. So there is no one on the earth higher. Obscene riches and pedophilia? Well, the Catholic Church knows a lot on those subjects... That's what I was thinking. Also, being obscenely rich isn't always a bad thing. I mean, you look at it, some people that are obscenely rich, Oprah, are using their money to help other people. You mean to tell me Oprah is going to 'Hell' for having a lot of money even though she is helping other people? The reason I put these ' around Hell is because we Mormons think there is more to it than just a Heaven or Hell. |
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| Author: | Exhibit A [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
The 7 deadly sins never made sense in the first place anyway. Any sin is enough to condemn you, the Bible never separates them up the way the Catholic Church does. |
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| Author: | bwave [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
MooKoo wrote: Also, being obscenely rich isn't always a bad thing. I mean, you look at it, some people that are obscenely rich, Oprah, are using their money to help other people. Wow. You guys really know how to read one really short article, look nothing into it, then insult the material blindly. Well played. Anyway, the obscene riches one doesnt apply to philanthropists. It's about the people who own 9 houses, but only use 2 or 3 of them. It's about the people who buy a jackson pollock painting for $10 million, just to say they did. Considering there are millions of people die every year of hunger. |
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| Author: | ed 'lim' smilde [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Capt. Ido Nos wrote: and is consistently the only real true *thing* that we as humans have to do to be saved. Everything else (baptism, the Lord's Supper) are just symbolic reminders to ourselves and the rest of the world as to what Christ has done for us. Well, if Didy were here, he'd probably strongly disagree with that... If I remember right, he was really into the sacraments and stuff. I don't know how much I agree with him, but I always liked this blog entry of his...The thing I don't like most about the Catholics' 'X deadly sins' is that they believe that no one can be saved unless they rid themselves of those addictions. I DO think that all/most of the items on the list are sins (which you could probably support Biblically), and we SHOULD try to get rid of them... but nothing in the Bible says that we'll go to hell if we can't. Nothing in the Bible says God's grace isn't big enough for that. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
bwave wrote: Anyway, the obscene riches one doesnt apply to philanthropists. It's about the people who own 9 houses, but only use 2 or 3 of them. It's about the people who buy a jackson pollock painting for $10 million, just to say they did. Considering there are millions of people die every year of hunger. Wouldn't this be a combination of pride and gluttony? I don't know why they needed to make up some new things about us to feel guilty for.
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
I found $5 on the ground today, walked past a bum, and bought my self an extra large soda at the Whataburger. Am I gonna go to hell? |
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| Author: | furrykef [ Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Yes. McDonald's is the way to salvation, not Whataburger. |
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| Author: | bwave [ Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: I found $5 on the ground today, walked past a bum, and bought my self an extra large soda at the Whataburger. Am I gonna go to hell? But the fact is, you spent that dollar, and used it. You didnt throw it away just for the sake of showing the world that you could. But I see your trick question. You're going to hell regardless. |
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| Author: | Acekirby [ Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
I liked the old 7 Deadly Sins because they were "vintage" and had cool words to describe them. These new ones seem like..."ok, wut". "Taking drugs" is now a mortal sin? Genetic engineering? |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Acekirby wrote: I liked the old 7 Deadly Sins because they were "vintage" and had cool words to describe them. These new ones seem like..."ok, wut". "Taking drugs" is now a mortal sin? Genetic engineering? What defines Drugs? Without Genetic Engineering, there would be ALOT more diseases with no cure out there, even common and simple ones. |
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| Author: | MooKoo [ Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Follow link for my full two cents. Let the flamage begin. |
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| Author: | DukeNuke [ Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
I can't see how adding new rules would be of any use when nobody's following the old ones... and does breathing count as pollution? It adds carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, after all... and what about selective breeding? That's sort of low tech genetic engineering. (Fursfurchrist?? Well, whatever floats your boat...) |
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| Author: | The Noid [ Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The 7 Deadly Social Sins |
Hey, isn't cutting your hair a sin/was once considered a sin? That's always been in the back of my head. |
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