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 Post subject: US and War Crimes
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:22 am 
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http://207.44.245.159/article7314.htm

The ultimate hypocrisy. We're supposed to uphold the law, not break it to serve our own means. But many people just ignore this. People like to call our enemies "not human" so they can get away with doing inhuman things to them. No, that's not what we're supposed to stand for. This is why much of the world hates us, this is why there are people willing to die to fight us. It's because we say we're upholding international law and spreading "freedom", yet we commit atrocities, and cover it up...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Countr ... click=true

In the business world, such actions would be called "extorsion" and "bribery", but it's the US government doing it, they can do no wrong...

Fact is, we're not the benevolent liberators, we're invaders, conquerers. We pillage and murder in the name of freedom and democracy. And then we bully people into keeping quiet. I don't hate America, but I sure do hate what it's become...

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I couldn't read the second article. The site wouldn't let me access it.

But I agree. The war in Iraq is a complete mockery of justice. We had no provocation to invade, and we are actually trying to HINDER their democratic process by forcing them to adhere to our time schedule, even though the region is still in too much turmoil for "free elections" to really mean anything. While Saddam was most certainly a monster, we have done nothing but make conditions worse in that country.

Then there's that whole POW mistreatment thing. I hope those soldiers get the full penalty of the UCMJ for their crimes, and all their superiors who ordered/authorized such barbaric behavior be brought to justice.

We are supposed to be the shining light of freedom in the world, but what does "freedom" mean when we commit such atrocities? It's no wonder the international community has such a difficult time trusting us.

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Ah, sorry about the second article. Basically, it says that the US is going to refuse to send aid to countries who refuse to sign an international document that makes the US immune to international war crimes laws, among other things. The darn registry thing won't let me look at the article again, so y'all will have to sit tight before I can get the text some other way...

EDIT: here it is

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Countries that refuse US immunity 'face aid cuts'
December 10, 2004 - 9:37AM

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Supporters of the International Criminal Court warned today that a law signed into effect by President George W Bush would cut off humanitarian aid to countries that refuse to grant Americans immunity from the world's first war crimes tribunal.

It will cut off hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid to countries that belong to the court, or ICC, but have not signed a so-called bilateral immunity agreement with the United States.

The bill, submitted by House Representative George Nethercutt, passed Congress as part of a $US388 billion ($513.43 billion) legislative package covering spending of every federal agency but the Pentagon and Department of Homeland Security. It was approved by Congress and signed by Bush on Wednesday.

"None of the funds made available in this act ... may be used to provide assistance to the government of a country that is a party to the International Criminal Court and has not entered into an agreement with the United States," a portion of the text reads.

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AdvertisementThe New York-based Human Rights Watch, a pro-ICC group, said the bill threatens US aid intended to help US allies promote democracy, fight terrorism and corruption, resolve conflict and drugs.

Jordan, which has helped train Iraqi police and hosted conferences on the reconstruction of Iraq, is set to lose approximately $US250 million ($330.82 million) in aid. Peru is expected to lose $US8 million ($10.59 million) for democratic reforms and agricultural programs, drug-trafficking, and terrorism.

"This is a serious escalation by the Bush administration and US Congress in its ill-conceived, ideologically motivated crusade against the ICC," Richard Dicker, head of the International Justice Program at Human Rights Watch said in an interview.

He called it ironic that the bill's passage coincided with new reports of torture by US forces of prisoners in Iraq and at the Guantanamo prison complex.

ICC officials declined to comment on the bill, saying it was up to the court's member countries to react.

The International Criminal Court is the end result of a campaign for a permanent war crimes tribunal that began with the Nuremberg trials after World War II. It can prosecute cases of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity committed after July 1, 2002, but will step in only when countries are unwilling or unable to dispense justice themselves.

The US government vehemently opposes the court, arguing that it could be used for frivolous or politically motivated prosecutions of American troops. But supporters of 1998 Rome Treaty, ratified by 97 countries including the entire European Union, counter that it contains enough safeguards to prevent politically motivated prosecutions.

The court is expected to try its first cases of crimes in Congo and Uganda next year.

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