Upsilon wrote:
I sense no link whatsoever to religion or politics.
I guess the whole "Is G-d upset with us?" part shows some relevance to religion. On topic, that's a lot of people. Eh, Steve, would you please bring this post to a close?
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| Author: | soce,the elemental wizard [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:46 pm ] |
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This can't be right. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... index.html That is a lot of people dead. I just can't believe that this has happened. Is G-d upset with us? I just feel a great sadness. |
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| Author: | Upsilon [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:43 pm ] |
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I sense no link whatsoever to religion or politics. |
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| Author: | StrongCanada [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:00 pm ] |
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Last I heard it was 40,000. I think Soce put it in here because of his comment about God. (Soce, may I ask why you omit the full name? If that's not too personal.) It is indeed very sad. Many people from all over the world are gone; it was a big tourist spot. |
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| Author: | porplemontage [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:04 pm ] |
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Upsilon wrote: I sense no link whatsoever to religion or politics.
I guess the whole "Is G-d upset with us?" part shows some relevance to religion. On topic, that's a lot of people. Eh, Steve, would you please bring this post to a close?
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| Author: | ramrod [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:10 pm ] |
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From what I heard, the quake was at a 8.9 on the Ricter(sp?) Scale, and knocked the Earth off it's axis by a few degrees. I was thinking that God has to be angry with something in order to do something like that. |
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| Author: | Upsilon [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:31 pm ] |
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porplemontage wrote: Upsilon wrote: I sense no link whatsoever to religion or politics. I guess the whole "Is G-d upset with us?" part shows some relevance to religion. Somehow, though, I don't exactly see this as a religious discussion. You could say "Is God upset/happy with us?" in just about any topic you like and it wouldn't make it pertinent to religion. |
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| Author: | porplemontage [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:43 pm ] |
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Upsilon wrote: Somehow, though, I don't exactly see this as a religious discussion. You could say "Is God upset/happy with us?" in just about any topic you like and it wouldn't make it pertinent to religion.
Hey, I tried making a connection.
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| Author: | Upsilon [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:08 pm ] |
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Well, you could always have stuck this in the Misc forum where it belongs. |
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| Author: | Dr. Zaius [ Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:31 pm ] |
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*sigh* this is what happens when you believe in a deity. Whenever something tragic happens, you somehow think it's your fault and god is punishing you... Grow up, it's not uncommon for seismic activity to happen in the "ring of fire", as it's not uncommon for Asia to be hit with tsunamis... Tis a sad happening, but we need to understand that our planet is not all that stable. Things like this happen, it's a part of life. We sit upon land masses, separated into plates, that are floating on liquid rock. When they move, bad things happen. We must mourn for those who simply got in the way of nature's furry, but we must keep our composure and not jump to silly conclusions... |
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| Author: | ramrod [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:10 am ] |
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Dr. Zaius wrote: *sigh* this is what happens when you believe in a deity. Whenever something tragic happens, you somehow think it's your fault and god is punishing you... The thing is Zaius, this wasn't any normal tsunamis, this was one of a monumental proportion. This act of nature has killed over 50,000 people, much more than any other.
Grow up, it's not uncommon for seismic activity to happen in the "ring of fire", as it's not uncommon for Asia to be hit with tsunamis... |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:24 am ] |
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This is indeed a horrible tragedy. Soce, I cannot answer that question for you. In the face of senseless tragedy, there are few answers. Thank you for your caring concern and sensitivity in the face of this devastation, Zaius. |
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| Author: | Warlordofhomsaria_v2 [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:33 am ] |
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if A Higher Power is angry with us, i weep for the future. I had friends in Guam. Was that place hit badly Edit: Now, in the Ten Commandments, God told us to respect our mother and father. Wouldn't God be like a Father to the Xtreme? I mean, he created all of us. He put down only ten laws for us to obey, yet many of us are brakeing alot of them and not going o penance to have our sins resolved. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:55 am ] |
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ramrod wrote: From what I heard, the quake was at a 8.9 on the Ricter(sp?) Scale, and knocked the Earth off it's axis by a few degrees. I was thinking that God has to be angry with something in order to do something like that.
Didn't knock the earth off it's axis, I doubt a strike from an asteroid would do that much.. The Earth's just too massive, and the quake wasn't quite powerful enough to move that kinda mass. I studied geosciences in college, but I focused on the atmosphere (geology people said we had our heads in the clouds) so I'm not the authority on this, although, based on what I know, I feel pretty confident about this. Still, it was a heck of a quake.. If this was angry God he barely dropped at least part of a train on us (I shudder to think what God "dropping a train" on us would do). |
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| Author: | racerx_is_alive [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:21 am ] |
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http://www.slate.com/id/2111443/ According to Jim Devine at the U.S. Geological Survey, the earthquake was powerful enough to slightly alter the earth's wobble. Not a lot, but enough we can calculate it. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:30 am ] |
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racerx_is_alive wrote: http://www.slate.com/id/2111443/
According to Jim Devine at the U.S. Geological Survey, the earthquake was powerful enough to slightly alter the earth's wobble. Not a lot, but enough we can calculate it. I stand corrected.. Although I still doubt that the earth was knocked off axis by a few degrees... maybe a small fraction.. Still, I could be wrong.. If it were knocked off by a few degrees or more for any length of time, that could be interesting from a climatological standpoint (remember kiddies, seasons are caused by the angle of Earth's axis). OK, now that I've steered this topic WAAAAAAAAAYYYY off course, I will jump out of the driver's seat, and roll when I hit the ground. |
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| Author: | Dr. Zaius [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:22 am ] |
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The disturbance wasn't of any significance. Maybe after another 1000 years of revolutions, our planet will be a few yards off in another direction that we would have hadn't that quake happened, but it won't be hurdling us toward the sun... Oh, and the Earth may be massive to you, but compared to the gas giants, we're an insignificant spec. That commit that hit Jupiter not too long ago caused an explosion SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THE PLANET EARTH! Also, that "red eye" on Jupiter is bigger than alla us as well. 
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| Author: | Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:51 pm ] |
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Ok, In Hacidic(sp?) judiasiam it's a sin to say all of God because they think if they print the full word it has to be a holy document so they put G-d instead. My friend's dad is printing a book called in G-d's name and it kicks some awsome biblical booty,it's about a Jewish family existing around the time of the life and death of Jesus (look for it when it's published). And secondly, does this remind anyone of Noah and his ark? This is could have been what caused the massive flood (along with the 40 days and nights of rain) |
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| Author: | Warlordofhomsaria_v2 [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:56 pm ] |
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Yeah. G-D prommised never to flood the whole world again, not make and earthquack that kills 80,000 people. All i can say is...he works in mysterious ways. |
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| Author: | Trev-MUN [ Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:04 pm ] |
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Eh. I'm Christian, but I hardly think this is God's doing. This is the violence fo the Earth itself. With 100,000 people dead, it's ... it's terrifying, to say the least. Reminds us how much we are at the mercy of our own freakin' planet. I'm trying to see if I can contribute something to the relief effort. I don't have much, but surely even something like ten, twenty dollars will help. They're gonna need all the money they can get ... |
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| Author: | Rob [ Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:09 am ] |
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Last night, a show with famous singers and bands at the Sydney Opera House and at the Telstra Dome called "Reach Out to Asia" was televised on all three commercial networks (7, 9 and 10) on radio Triple M FM and was broadcast in Asia on ABC Asia-Pacific (Australian Broadcasting Corporation Asia-Pacific). They raised money for World Vision Tsunami Appeal. People rang in donating money. They raised something like AU$20 116 000 (US$15 230 740.13 - UK£8 140 449.81 - €11 663 472.46) from phone calls and SMSs to help out the people affected by the Indian Ocean Tsunami. It was a first because all three rival commercial television networks came together. EDIT: Click here for Wikipedia article. |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:01 am ] |
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While we remember the devastation of Indonesia, let's also remember that mudslide in the Philippines, in which almost 1000 people died. No one remembers anything about it because the Tsunami is overshadowing it. If you'd like to help, check out Lutheran World Relief. 100% of funds collected will go to relief in SE Asia. |
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| Author: | Rob [ Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:10 am ] |
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Didymus wrote: While we remember the devastation of Indonesia...
Indonesia wasn't the only country affected. Also affected were: Malaysia, India, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Somalia, Myanmar and the Maldives. And there was also tourists from other countries that died or are missing. |
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| Author: | Dr. Zaius [ Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:04 am ] |
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Here is an interesting site. It has a bunch of satellite photos of areas that got hit before and after. Some of them just ruined the buildings, but some of them completely changed the landscape! http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/1.html |
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| Author: | woddfellow2 [ Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:42 am ] |
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Yes, I remember when the death toll reached 100,000, and I posted a link to a news story on it on my blog. My blog isn't working right now, so I can't give anyone a permalink. Also, on the radio, at the beginning of this year, someone called into the show (specifically Coast to Coast AM) and said that the death toll would reach 500,000 by the middle of the year and that it would reach 1,000,000 by the end of the year. That is scary.  I hope they're wrong.
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| Author: | ModestlyHotGirl [ Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:40 pm ] |
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At the risk of seeming insensitive (but that's kinda what R&P is all about, isn't it?) 300,000 people die in the world every day. The only thing that's making this a tragedy is that it happened all in the same place. While we're digging in our shallow pockets for donations to this cause, let us not forget all the other causes out there. |
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| Author: | Buz [ Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:10 am ] |
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Dr. Zaius wrote: Whenever something tragic happens, you somehow think it's your fault and god is punishing you... An immature belief in a fundamentally punative deity leads to that conclusion in the given situation. But not all monotheists follow your perscription for reasoning here, most Christians for example look to the verses like Romans 8:28, James 1:3, and Rev 2:10. That's a result of Romans 12:2. Warlordofhomsaria_v2 wrote: if A Higher Power is angry with us, i weep for the future. Don't. I've read the end of the book, it all turns out OK. But it's OK to weep for right now, when sad things happen. ModestlyHotGirl wrote: At the risk of seeming insensitive 300,000 people die in the world every day.
Yesh, something like 2000 a day just from starvation/malnutrition. And that's much easier to fix than tsunami damage or prevention. |
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| Author: | Witches_Brewer [ Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:07 pm ] |
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Have any of you ever took the time to think god may be evil? I belive that *may* be true, but I am not pushing that idea, nor am I saying we sould debate it. Rather, has anybody here ever thout about that deeply? Just woundering |
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| Author: | Didymus [ Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:38 pm ] |
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God is not evil. If he were, then the world would be far more screwed up than it is. Distant? Perhaps. Indifferent? Certainly seems that way at times. But you must keep in mind that the God I know is the one who entered into this lost and broken world, assumed for himself the weakness of human flesh, then suffered torment and death for us. I cannot call any such God evil. |
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| Author: | Buz [ Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Already have. |
Witches_Brewer wrote: Have any of you ever took the time to think god may be evil? I belive that *may* be true, but I am not pushing that idea, nor am I saying we sould debate it. Rather, has anybody here ever thout about that deeply? Just woundering
But you believe it, and there's a thread about it posted by Dr. Zaius. That'd be a great place to discuss it if you'd like. |
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| Author: | Evin290 [ Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:36 am ] |
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I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I personally believe that this has absolutely nothing to do with God. If God wanted to rid the world of sin like in the Noah's Ark story, wouldn't he have flooded the whole world? Also, even if he only flooded half the world, why not our half? Aren't just as if not more immoral that the places that were hit? I however, like to believe that God is for mercy, not for destruction. |
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