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I think I'm going to be sick. It's exactly this kind of screaming ignorance that turned me away from religion...

Science has proven EVERYTHING this guy put in his museum wrong. God created everything only 6,000 years ago? We have ARTIFICES from CIVILIZATIONS that are older than that. The great flood carved the grand canyon? If there was a great flood, wouldn't it have effected the ENTIRE landscape, and not just the area where a river ran? Man walked along side with dinosaurs? All fossil records support that they went extinct EONS before man even walked the Earth.

And that crap about all the disease and assorted bad things that happened being god's wrath is just stupid, especially that homosexuals being responsible for AIDS malarkey...

If you want to belive in creationism, fine, but at least try to make it SOMEWHAT feisible. Literal interpretation of the bible just makes you look stupid. Kind of like if you were to go around saying the world is flat, the sun, planets, and even stars revolve around Earth, or you can cure mental illness by drilling a gaping hole into someone's skull...

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I'd go there just for the Noah's Ark simulation.

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And I'll go there for some good ole domesitc terrorism

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"Everyone who rejects his history – including six-day creation and Noah's flood – is `wilfully' ignorant.''

Ther's a contradiction in terms.

I'll admit - this seems extreme, and it will not be the first stopover on my next road trip! But, at the same time, I support their right to open it - this is a free country. EDIT: I think the exhibits about homosexuality are horrid, and need to be taken out. I will fight for the rights of mainstream scientists to show us their views just as strongly. I say, if you don't like it, don't visit it. I'm assuming they are not using taxpayer money to fund it, probably just donations and the funding from that Answers in Genesis organization.

Just so I don't have to repeat myself, this is my take on creation/evolution. (Summary: I believe evolution occured with the hand of God to guide it.)



Not cool, friend. Live and let live - we let you believe what you want, you let us do the same. No violence (from EITHER side), please.

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Phht, can't you take a joke? And what made you think my intentions would be violent? "Terrorism" can be defined as many things. Staging a protest can be defined as "terrorism", or at least by the standards of our current administration. Buy alls I would do, if I ever drove down there, would take the tour (while laughing uncontrollably), and stand in the lobby debating anyone who would care to pay attention to me... and maybe set off a few stink bombs in the air conditioning system.

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Fair enough. I wouldn't think you'd want to go and pay your money to see it, and thereby support it, though - heck, I'm Christian, but I wouldn't go to it because of those more controversial exhibits. (The ones that say that disease is the result of mankind's sin.)

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This 'museum' in my mind is horrible in it's ignorance. Even though I'm a devout Catholic, even I find this place a complete disgrace to the word of God. It teaches that Man walked with dinosaurs? Even though there are tons of evidence that prove different! It's places like these and people like Mr. Ham that give Christians a bad name, making others think that we are nothing more ignorant people that listen to nobody then themselves.

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I want to go there, if only to stare in wonder and try to figure out how anyone can actually believe all of that. And maybe start a few arguments.

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Ken Ham's doing that? Awesxme! I love that guy!


Huh? What evidence? Carbon dating? Bah. Even I've figured out the logical flaws in that! It has to do with the exponetial decay of carbon 14. But even a student who has taken basic chem knows that decay does not nessesarilly happen at a constent rate. Plus, some scientests have figured out how to "trick" the test with items only a few hundred years old. I'm sorry, I just don't trust that theory.

Why coulden't dinos have been created with everything else? I don't see anything in the Bible to disprove it. Do you think there were TWO creations? o_O

Plus, have you heard about some of the crazy things explorers have seen in Africa? I think there are quite a few large reptiles still around. Probaly in rather uninhabeted places and on the verge of extinction, but deffanately still around.

As long as this museum stays within the guidelines of the bible and science (TRUE science, not theroys like evolution) I think it'll be pretty cool.


Some parts of the Bible ARE literal. Some parts are not. It's pretty easy to tell the diffrence between most of them. Genesis is most definately literal.

By the way, it's a museum weather you agree with it or not, no need to use quotations.

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James, I'm sure Zaius is going to call you stupid for ignoring all knowing science. What I don't get is how he gets off putting people down for having faith. I mean, isn't it my right to believe that God created the world, sent his son to die on the cross, and then rose the third day from the grave?
I'm sure Zaius has something to say about that, but oh well.

I don't believe in evolution, nor do I claim it's a complete load. Truth is, I don't know what happened, I wasn't there. I've often wanted to ask one of my professors from college, as I think he was about old enough to be there, but that's a different story altogether. From what I understand, there's nothing that really makes evolution and creation at odds. I mean, who's to say that evolution wasn't the means that God used to create things as we know them? As for Dinosaurs, I think that they weren't in the bible because knowing about them, and what they did, wasn't really all that important.

One last thing, about that little "domestic terrorism" thing, that was completely uncalled for. Glad you're such a tolerant person who respects everyone's rights to believe what they believe.

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I thought about this for a while a few years ago, and it really is at odds. The Bible says God, the Word, created the entire world in 7 days. It even says exactly what he created on each day. From what I understand about evolution, they say that everything evolved from micro-organisms over the course of several billion years. I don't buy that. You don't get millions of years in a week. (And please, nobody bring up that passage about God's time is not our time, because it would be seriously out of context and irrelevent.)

Very true. But God made some pretty amazing creatures. It's kinda fun to learn more about some of the ones that are extinct/very-hard-to-find.

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I saw a brilliant play called "Inherit the Wind" and it was about a school teacher that taught evolutionism and was sent to jail for not teaching creationism. The argument his lawyer made was that a day for God could be percieved as much longer for humans. Why couldn't a day for God be 25 hours instead of 24? Why not a week? A month? A year? 100 years? A million years?

Also, for centuries Orthodox Jewish farmers grew crops for six years and let the land rest for the seventh. If a person should rest on the seventh day, since the earth is much larger then it should rest on the seventh year. A day for the earth is a year according to this theory. So, if God is so immense, why couldn't a day for God be billions of years? Maybe in those billions of years, God created everything slowly, and the bible refers to the total sum of what he created after (or before) each day. This is a way to work in both evolutionism and creationism. Thus, everyone can believe what they want and they're all right via this theory!

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Well James, seems like you would fit in very well there there . Seriously, if the bible said the Earth was flat, I'll bet you'd believe it...



Because even with your supposed "flaw" with carbon dating, remains that are supposedly only 10,000 years old wouldn't seem to be over a million years old. And no, I don't think there was two creations, I don't even think there was ONE.



As is most of the Bible. Seriously, if you're going to spit in the face of all the scientific progress we've had over the centuries, please go away and live in the woods.

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No, I guess I can't take a joke when it involves killing innocent people for believing what they believe. If I REALLY couldn't take a joke, you would have been visited by a couple of people from the FBI by now, but as it is, I can tell you are probably just upset because some christians made fun of you and decided to put up a "threat" on the net.

As for the part about the Bible spitting in the face of "science", I think it was kind of dumb. We all know that even science isnt' perfect. I mean, remember, scientists "KNEW" that the world was flat. Scientists "KNEW" that all matter was made up of four elements. Just because it's in a science book doesn't make it true. I consider myself a scientist, and I have yet to find the Bible completely at odds with anything I've ever learned. Science just seeks to explain how and why things happen. It doesn't say "There is no God doing this, because it all happens on random chance."
For all I know, science is just explaining how God does the things he does.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Then we just have different senses of humor. Mine seems to be more "dark" that yours. Probably why I get such a thirll playing games where I can mow down random pedestrians.

But your closing sentence there is false. No Christians made fun of me to make me upset. It is quite the opposite, I am making fun of these silly extremists. No threat or "threat" intended, just a little expression of malitical humor. You know, like how you joke about the president getting killed or whatever. It's all in good fun.



It does spit in the face of science when you hold it into unquestionable literally like that guy did. Moderate Christians like you I have not much problem with in that aspect, because you can use simple philosophy like that to counter it. Yes, science is not absolute, but it sure is more accurate than it was 1000 years ago. It is ever changing, ever learning. It is always open to alter it's ideas when new knowledge is discovered. Unlike back then, when all scientific "knowledge" was all based on simple observation with little or no experimentation, it's easy to confuse things.

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