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Man, I am becoming more Libertarian as the years go by. I get anymore left, I'll start saying "Da Comrade" when ever some asks me something.

Don't let the libertarians hear you compare them to communists ;) They're actually the exact opposite on this chart. Communist would be lower left, full libertarian (in the sense the Libertarian Party uses it) would be lower right. The lower left, where we're all ending up, is anarcho-syndicalism, in which they take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer of the week. And all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a BE QUIET I ORDER YOU TO BE QUIET!!
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I was really hoping I would be more to the center, but I'm more left and down. *sigh*

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Like I said on the other thread that Yeltensic started, I got

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

A lot of people on here are left libertarians.


Of course, wouldn't that make sense? People should naturally support civil rights and civil liberties both. We agree that people should be protected from unfair bullying and that they should also generally be free to do as they wish.

If you look through history, society drifts to the left slowly over time. What is considered "conservative" now would be EXTREMELY liberal 100 years ago. What was conservative 100 years ago would be extremely liberal 200 years ago.

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If you look through history, society drifts to the left slowly over time. What is considered "conservative" now would be EXTREMELY liberal 100 years ago. What was conservative 100 years ago would be extremely liberal 200 years ago.


...tell that to someone in Iran. :p


Backslides no doubt, though really even the Middle East is further along now than it was a long time ago, despite being far behind the west.

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I thought I would get more to the right because I think of myself as a republican.

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Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.54
I thought I would get more to the right because I think of myself as a republican.


You seem to have the social part of republican down.
The "Right" and "Left" you often hear is often used in terms of social conservatives (right) and social liberals (left).

Ideally, liberals tend to be more permissive in terms of social issues, believing that individuals, not the government, are best suited to make decisions involving social issues.
Strangely, they seem to flip on economic issues with the conservatives tending to be more willing to allow individuals to spend their money as they wish (by requiring less of it to go towards the government).

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Strangely, they seem to flip on economic issues with the conservatives tending to be more willing to allow individuals to spend their money as they wish (by requiring less of it to go towards the government).


I think that's a misnomer. Conservatives want to PERSONALLY spend less on taxes (like everyone), but that seems to be unaffected by, say, their desire to let churched remain tax-free or the mountains of military action they're clamoring about these days. Of course, that's more neoconservative than "log cabin conservative" so forgive me for that.

You also have to remember that no one WANTS higher taxes. Liberals just recognize that (gasp!) there exist things that require money to fund. If the estate tax would come back, if corporations would be more thoroughly investigated for tax evasion, if a lot of things happened that only tick off the well-off and wealthy then the nation at large would actually get tax BREAKS and we'd be able to fund all sorts of nice things.

The conservative mantra seems to be "I want to do what I want to do and I don't care about the rest of you."

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Strangely, they seem to flip on economic issues with the conservatives tending to be more willing to allow individuals to spend their money as they wish (by requiring less of it to go towards the government).


You also have to remember that no one WANTS higher taxes. Liberals just recognize that (gasp!) there exist things that require money to fund. If the estate tax would come back, if corporations would be more thoroughly investigated for tax evasion, if a lot of things happened that only tick off the well-off and wealthy then the nation at large would actually get tax BREAKS and we'd be able to fund all sorts of nice things.


News Flash: something like 90% of the taxes paid in the US are paid by something like the richest 5%... That whole "rich don't pay taxes" mantra that liberals like to throw around doesn't hold water. Do they get tax breaks? Certainly. Do they pay less than me? Definitely not.

I am certainly not rich, but I received almost 3/4 of my federal tax money back this year. Why? Tax breaks for people who aren't rich.

The estate tax is BS if BS ever existed. The money was taxed once, it's not fair to tax it again.

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I was really hoping I would be more to the center, but I'm more left and down. *sigh*


I got the same.

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News Flash: something like 90% of the taxes paid in the US are paid by something like the richest 5%... That whole "rich don't pay taxes" mantra that liberals like to throw around doesn't hold water. Do they get tax breaks? Certainly. Do they pay less than me? Definitely not.


Yeah, we learned that one time in math class, how even though the percentage is less they still pay more than us because they have more money. We also learned a few other things about income taxes, and how all those credit card companies try to screw you over (in a really devious and clever way, BTW).

So yeah, I'd like to say I agree with you on that one.

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Guess I'm voting for Romney or Huckabee. I just want to know how they would finish the job in Iraq, and their stances on illegal immigration.

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Guess I'm voting for Romney or Huckabee. I just want to know how they would finish the job in Iraq, and their stances on illegal immigration.

Where'd you find that test? I tried to find that a few days ago cuz I remembered it being better than the one the thread's based on, but couldn't.

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Guess I'm voting for Romney or Huckabee. I just want to know how they would finish the job in Iraq, and their stances on illegal immigration.

Where'd you find that test? I tried to find that a few days ago cuz I remembered it being better than the one the thread's based on, but couldn't.

It's at OnTheIssues.org, I think.

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This one gives me one I expect: Moderate Conservative.
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No big surprise there.

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My brother took the poll and got in the very middle. He's a centrist. I thought it was funny that we are being brought up by the same parents and I'm a Moderate Conservative and he's a Centrist.

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Your upbringing doesn't matter; Ron Reagan is a liberal and an atheist.

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Oh, yes. We are the rebellious generation. More so than those rock-n-rollers in the 50s and those punks in the 70s! :mrgreen:

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My parents are conservatives. I wonder why he's a centrist if I am also a conservative though. We're alike in all other ways in terms of interests, hobbies and stuff.

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[quote="Wesstarrunner"We're alike in all other ways in terms of interests, hobbies and stuff.[/quote]
Hobbies and interests, with some exceptions, don't really have a lot to do with political affiliation. I say "some exceptions" because I'm sure that there are certain things that liberals do that conservatives don't and vice versa. For the most part, though, there aren't many activities that are exclusive to one side of the isle or the other.

Example (and I use them as examples because I'm too lazy to think of anyone else and because they'll be good sports about it):Lahi likes football. BTG likes football. While they cheer for different teams, they DO like the sport. Try getting them to agree on anything political. :-)

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Just a reminder, on the Political Compass being further right or left on the graph doesn't mean you're necessarily more conservative or more "liberal" (I've come to heartily dislike the American usage of that term, but that's another story for another time), it's just economic. The whole point of the graph is that it escapes the limits of a left-right spectrum.


Quoted for truth. Left-wing doesn't necessarily mean "liberal", and right-wing doesn't necessarily mean "conservative".


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Exactly, it doesn't make much sense to simply consider Stalin extremely "liberal", or Hitler extremely conservative. Which is why I <3 this graph.

I think it's interesting how Hitler was economically pretty much a "liberal" by contemporary American standards, despite fascism/Nazism being considered a far-right ideology.
That's why both the economic and social aspects need to be considered, which both graphs take into account.

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I guess genocide might be considered a little beyond social conservatism, though.
Just "a little beyond?" I'd venture to say that it is way beyond that.

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I have a slight tendency to understate.
That's an understatement. :p

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Nerds. Geeks and nerds.

I tried to take the other test, but the questions were too America-centric, and I ended up confused. I had no idea what they talking about with school coupons.

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Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79


I had a real problem about the homosexual parts, because my religion is supposed to be against it, but where I stand is different.


Ugh, too much thinking. Need videogames... :p

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I took it again and:
A: Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.46
Edit: I looked up something that I thought I knew what it meant and it was actually Marxism ideology so here's my new score:
Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.56

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I'm quite happy with my results. I've never wanted to be too much to one side


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I'm quite happy with my results. I've never wanted to be too much to one side
And what results would that be. All I see is a small cross.

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