Do all dogs really go to heaven?

Prof. Tor Coolguy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:07 pm

The topic might sound a bit weird but I have a legit question

If dogs (and other animals) don't have to the mental facilities to understand complex religion then they in turn are never able to accept Christ as their lord and savior (which I havn't even done...yet) so then that means that there is an entire hell full of dogs.

Am I right in my thinking?

InvaderTK · **Posted:** Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:16 pm

Ummmm...well...errr....GAH! Thanks, Professor. Now my brain hurts.

Prof. Tor Coolguy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:20 pm

Well I am the Professor, I just think way too much so I write down my good ideas and post 'em here in the R&P forum

InterruptorJones · **Posted:** Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:26 pm

Well, your question starts with the assumption that a Christian heaven exists. Since we're taking that route, am I to understand that you're also assuming that dogs have souls? I think that most Christians would argue that having a soul in the first place is a prerequisite to entry into both heaven and hell. If they don't have souls, then the answer would be no, there's not a hell full of dogs. If they do have souls, then I think the answer would be yes, they're all in hell.

In other words, no, if you're operating in a Christain framework, dogs do not go to heaven.

Prof. Tor Coolguy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:32 pm

Here are the rules: We are woking under the assumption that there is both a christian heaven and that dogs have souls, and if dogs only get one life to live (this isn't hinduism or buddhism we are working under) then that means that all dogs go to hell.

But then what about babies, is there a rule that would get them into heaven and then in turn be an umbrella under which animals can get in to heaven?

ModestlyHotGirl · **Posted:** Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:11 pm

Prof. Tor Coolguy wrote:

But then what about babies?

I always thought that once a baby is baptized, if it were to die before consciously accepting religion, it would go to heaven. But I don't know what that has to do with dogs or other animals.

Prof. Tor Coolguy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:16 pm

But what about babies that are fine in the woumb(sp?) but then die during birth, are they condemed to hell becuase something that no one could control happened to the poor baby?

Chew on that one

InterruptorJones · **Posted:** Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:26 pm

Prof. Tor Coolguy wrote:

But what about babies that are fine in the woumb(sp?) but then die during birth, are they condemed to hell becuase something that no one could control happened to the poor baby?

Chew on that one

This one has already been chewed on at great length in other threads.

Prof. Tor Coolguy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:38 pm

forget that point then, but why would animals have to spend an eternity in hell only because they didn't get the luck of the draw and get put in a human body instrad of an animal.

InterruptorJones · **Posted:** Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:42 pm

Prof. Tor Coolguy wrote:

forget that point then, but why would animals have to spend an eternity in hell only because they didn't get the luck of the draw and get put in a human body instrad of an animal.

A better question, I think, would be why would anybody ascribe to a belief system in which animals have to spend an eternity in hell, etc.

Prof. Tor Coolguy · **Posted:** Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:00 am

Mabye the only good answer to this is rencarnation because it seems really really unfair to condem something to a hellish exsistance when they don't know that there's a way out. And all the divinitys I'm familliar with are all about being nice and following a road of goodness so I don't think that any God would send an animal to hell unless they have just cause to (like if they killed a person or something)

Discount Brick · **Posted:** Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:50 am

Ok, our pastor had some sermon on this, it turns out humans are the only ones that can go to hell, because of this weird thing!
I think it was only humans bit the the apple of evil.
I can't remember because it was like 6 years ago.

racerx_is_alive · **Posted:** Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:25 am

I'm a gonna say that I'm pretty sure that all dogs go to heaven. In fact, I think most animals could be there (not so sure about mosquitoes.) All living things have souls (in my understanding,) so all living things will receive some kind of salvation or not.

All the commandments that we are talking about needing to fulfill (Baptism, etc.) to get into heaven are commandments that God has given to Mankind. So to get into heaven, we need to obey the commandments that God has given to mankind. So what commandments do animals need to obey to get into heaven? I say there is probably one at least. In Genesis 1:22, talking about fishes and fowl it says

Quote:

And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

There isn't a similar verse that gives the same commandment to the other animals, though I think that it is safe to assume that a similar commandment given to the other animals, and maybe even the plants, for them to multiply and fulfill the measure of their creation. So that would imply that their only commandment is to live their lives.

So as long as animals do what comes natural to them, whatever they do is okay, and they will get into heaven. Animals weren't given the same commandments as us because they don't have the same capabilities as us.

InterruptorJones · **Posted:** Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:31 am

Heh, that's what I get for talking out of my behind.

Evin290 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:40 am

I never knew what radiculous was until I saw this thread... Anyways. Assuming that a Christian heaven exists and dogs have souls, I'd say that they'd be somewhere in purgetory (sp?). Dogs can't really feel what's right and wrong. They can't have belief in God. They act upon their instincts.

Prof. Tor Coolguy · **Posted:** Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:33 pm

I'm nice on the forum because the rules tell me to, but don't you think that I don't know how to flame uppidy n00bs that don't know their place.

OK? Great

AgentOpaque · **Joined:** Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:48 am **Posts:** 27

Hmm...this is a pretty good question.

This is what I think, The Bible (Christian Bible) says God cares for even the birds, providing them with food, shelter..etc...so he will also care for us because we are more precious to Him. (so I think God cares about what happens to animals)

So I think that having a soul is a prereq. for HUMANS to enter into the kingdom of God. Dogs are obediant in there existance...they serve God by being exactly what God created them to be...dogs.

When the pharisees told Jesus to quiet the crowds that were praising Him, He said that if the people were to be quiet, the very rocks on the ground would cry out. So basically I think that dogs and all creations for that matter are aware of God and even though their worship and existance is different from that of a human being, I think God will have a place for them in heaven...I mean why not?

Didymus · **Posted:** Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:51 am

The Scriptures do say that lions will be friends with lambs at the Last Day.

Prof. Tor Coolguy · **Posted:** Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:40 pm

That had to be the best, most simplistic non-confusing explaining of a religious question I've ever gotten.

Thanks Mrs. Seethroo

Mr. Sparkle · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:45 am

In my opinion, nothing in the bible is real, so forget that crap.
To me your soul is also your feelings, so if my dog likes my mom more than me he will go to heaven. So the only thing I think is right about the bible is that is right is that things with a soul go to heaven.

Prof. Tor Coolguy · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:09 pm

That may or may not be Sen. Sparkle but I believe that you have to do more than have a soul to go to heaven, Hitler had a soul do you think he belongs in heaven?

PizzaTrophy · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:30 pm

I'm not a big religion nut (actually, this is my first post in this forum), but I think that people who were good in their life get their soul put into the body of a dog, because they're so happy all the time. They get pampered and treated like people (in my house anyway). I'd like to 'come back' as a dog....
And dogs do know the difference between right and wrong (I can't remember who was arguing the contrary). Why does my pup hide when he has an accident in the house? Or runs as fast as he can when he's stolen a sock out of my shoe?

In a line from an obscure song, 'Here is a church, here is the steeple, dogs are the best people'

extremejon09 · **Joined:** Mon May 10, 2004 10:28 pm **Posts:** 4675

ModestlyHotGirl wrote:

Prof. Tor Coolguy wrote:

But then what about babies?

I always thought that once a baby is baptized, if it were to die before consciously accepting religion, it would go to heaven. But I don't know what that has to do with dogs or other animals.

Heh, I just stumbled opon the answer for it when I was trying to figure out where the Limbo Was invented

Cmarbagoi · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:34 pm

Prof. Tor Coolguy wrote:

The topic might sound a bit weird but I have a legit question

If dogs (and other animals) don't have to the mental facilities to understand complex religion then they in turn are never able to accept Christ as their lord and savior (which I havn't even done...yet) so then that means that there is an entire hell full of dogs.

Am I right in my thinking?

Well, that depends, is the dog jewish or christian? I personally believe that whatever religion you worship, whatever that specific religion says that happens to when you die, happens to you. For example, since dogs can't really accept "Christ", (I'm using it in quotations because I don't believe in jesus....yes I'm jewish) most dogs probably just sit and rot in the ground. Either that, or really good dogs go to a special doggy heaven. It may sound stupid, but that's what I believe.

Prof. Tor Coolguy · **Posted:** Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:19 pm

I think Christ was just a jew that went and did something else with his life and a religion came out of it.

awww, doggy heaven

racerx_is_alive · **Posted:** Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:23 pm

PizzaTrophy wrote:

I think that people who were good in their life get their soul put into the body of a dog, because they're so happy all the time. They get pampered and treated like people (in my house anyway).

If that's true, bad people come back as dogs in the Dominican Republic.

Cmarbagoi · **Posted:** Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:17 pm

J-Mac wrote:

Saying that dogs, cats, fish, or any other pet goes to the proverbial happy place was just something parents made up to shut their kids up when they cried after their pet died. A painfully blunt explanation, but simplicity is often best.

If animals do indeed go to heaven, then it must be hilarious. What with all the T-Rexes and velocoraptors chasing after the cherubs and whatnot.

You know what? Let's be all honest, who here actually believes in "doggy heaven"? Wait....There are more animals then humans in the world, right? Wouldn't that mean that "doggy" or "cat" heaven would fill up eventually? Maybe it's possible that instead of going to heaven, animals just repeat their lives, over and over again. Kinda like that movie "Groundhog Day".

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:03 am

okay, one i aggree with whats his face who said that 'only humans bit the apple'. but, i also beleive that every animal, insect, mamal, any living organism,(even birds), are all intelegent in a way we cannot understand. so if they are intelegent, they have probably figured something out using there sort of mathmatical system to mathmatically prove that there is/is not a god. unbaptized babies go to purgetory and...wait....this discredits all my above theories about dogs going to hell, they dont, they go to purgetory. yes, purgetory.

Jerome · **Posted:** Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:20 am

That's reminded me of a thing I read in a book called "The House of the Scorpion".

The main character, Matteo Alacran, is the clone of an elderly drug lord. And because he's a clone, people act like he isn't human and the priest says that he has no soul.

Another character, Maria, muses, "They say that animals and plants don't have souls, so they can't get into heaven. But does that mean that heaven looks like a cement parking lot?"

By the way, I don't believe in Heaven, or Hell, or any kind of afterlife like that. But I don't believe you disappear either. It's sorta complicated what I think and I can't be bothered explaining it now.

Discount Brick · **Posted:** Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:42 pm

Well, my minister said something like, only humans have some weird faith thing, so that only they can go to hell, so I personally believe ani,als go to Heaven.

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