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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:22 pm 
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Maybe I'm just concerned as to why we still need to be stationed in 132 countries around the globe. What are we there for?


I have no idea. Maybe we need to find someone in the military and ask them.

Maybe we're there in case another Mean German Guy rises out of nowhere again. Do you believe we should just sit tight and not leave our soil unless directly attacked by an opposing army?

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Is this supposed to be a new topic La, or was it supposed to be a response to Piano's comment in another thread.

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I figured this would be an interesting discussion, but it didn't belong in Sarge's thread, so I made a new topic.

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I figured this would be an interesting discussion, but it didn't belong in Sarge's thread, so I made a new topic.
Right, I just saw that. My bad. Carry on.

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Well, I don't think it's likely that the US will be attacked (by a country's actual military, at least) for quite some time. And if we suddenly pulled all of our troops back to the US, it'd look very bad in the eyes of other nations.

Granted, there are probably several countries in which we have no need to keep troops.


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One reason we have troops stationed around the world is for the sake of embassy and consulate security. Embassies and Consulate offices are considered US property, and we are obligated to protect those offices.

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Your military's stated reason for being in their various foreign locales is "to protect American interests". In other words, they are where they are to protect the exploitation of resources that various corporations are engaged in. And yes, that means protecting American lives (by putting American soldiers in harms way) because the Americans who are overseas are usually there because they're working for a corporation that Americans have a financial interest in.

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Your military's stated reason for being in their various foreign locales is "to protect American interests". In other words, they are where they are to protect the exploitation of resources that various corporations are engaged in. And yes, that means protecting American lives (by putting American soldiers in harms way) because the Americans who are overseas are usually there because they're working for a corporation that Americans have a financial interest in.


Do you have any sources? Any proof? Any reason why we should take the word of a single Canadian who's far too obsessed with finding any conspiracy in the US gov't? You're like the boy who cried wolf.

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One reason we have troops stationed around the world is for the sake of embassy and consulate security. Embassies and Consulate offices are considered US property, and we are obligated to protect those offices.

I never thought of that. It's actually a really good reason we have troops in 130 some odd countries. It'd be nice to know if that wikipedia article's source considers Marines stationed at other embassies "stationed in that country", because, technically, they're on US soil.

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Your military's stated reason for being in their various foreign locales is "to protect American interests". In other words, they are where they are to protect the exploitation of resources that various corporations are engaged in. And yes, that means protecting American lives (by putting American soldiers in harms way) because the Americans who are overseas are usually there because they're working for a corporation that Americans have a financial interest in.


Do you have any sources? Any proof? Any reason why we should take the word of a single Canadian who's far too obsessed with finding any conspiracy in the US gov't? You're like the boy who cried wolf.


Him being Canadian has nothing to do with his conspiracies. I think Corporations do benefit from war slightly-like Halliburton.I think America needs to improve its image by having troops in so many countries in sparks tension.Alot of people are ticked at America because it is so Militaristic-America needs to tone it down and try peace and relations for a while.
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Your military's stated reason for being in their various foreign locales is "to protect American interests". In other words, they are where they are to protect the exploitation of resources that various corporations are engaged in. And yes, that means protecting American lives (by putting American soldiers in harms way) because the Americans who are overseas are usually there because they're working for a corporation that Americans have a financial interest in.


Do you have any sources? Any proof? Any reason why we should take the word of a single Canadian who's far too obsessed with finding any conspiracy in the US gov't? You're like the boy who cried wolf.

Do your own research, you twit. You've got the internet. It's not hard to find corporate yearly reports.

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Oh no, Sarge, the burden of proof lies squarely on you for bringing it up in the first place. Ask anyone, that's how it works.

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Do your own research, -CENSOR'd!!-. You've got the internet. It's not hard to find corporate yearly reports.
Hey! Hey! Hey! Knock it off, both of you. I am tired of it. I know I am not a mod, but I am tired of the bickering. If you two have issues with each other, deal with it in PMs.

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Oh no, Sarge, the burden of proof lies squarely on you for bringing it up in the first place. Ask anyone, that's how it works.

Hah! No, that's not how it works. This isn't a courtroom, you're not a judge, and I'm not presenting arguments, so shut up about burden of proof already. Nobody cares.

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Hah! No, that's not how it works. This isn't a courtroom, you're not a judge, and I'm not presenting arguments, so shut up about burden of proof already. Nobody cares.
Sarge, it might be beneficial for you to back up your arguments with facts, it adds credibility to you and your argument.

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Do your own research, -CENSOR'd!!-. You've got the internet. It's not hard to find corporate yearly reports.
Hey! Hey! Hey! Knock it off, both of you. I am tired of it. I know I am not a mod, but I am tired of the bickering. If you two have issues with each other, deal with it in PMs.

He may not be a mod, but I am, and he's right. This is turning into a personal battle. You're both smart people (or, at least from various things you've said, I've judged you as smart). You're too good to do that. (I hope)

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But why should it be a big deal that America has troops posted around the world anyway? There'd be very few nations who wouldn't have troops abroad.

Let's not forget, the military isn't all about playing shoot-em-ups with terrorists or whoever. They do serve an important role especially in deprived countries, and do necessary donkey work - like peacekeeping, policing, transporting and distribuing aid and supplies, consort, training, paperwork, observation, and for whatever else they're needed.


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But why should it be a big deal that America has troops posted around the world anyway? There'd be very few nations who wouldn't have troops abroad.

Let's not forget, the military isn't all about playing shoot-em-ups with terrorists or whoever. They do serve an important role especially in deprived countries, and do necessary donkey work - like peacekeeping, policing, transporting and distributing aid and supplies, consort, training, paperwork, observation, and for whatever else they're needed.

American troops actually do very little peacekeeping work. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware of any location where US troops are on the ground wearing blue helmets. The military commitments to North Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq have stretched the forces so much that they've had to rely on reservists to fill roles that really should be filled by regulars. That means they don't have the troops to do peacekeeping.

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The majority of the countries that the US has troops in are because of the Embassies, and there are only very few troops in most countries.

We also have pretty good sized bases in a number of other countries, such as Germany. We have a lot of bases in Germany and other European countries. The reason for that is the same as always, to have troops distributed throughout the world so they can be quickly deployed to wherever is necessary. The German bases were mostly used during the Cold War so that we could have lots of troops near Russia if they were needed. Our European bases have also come in handy as they are a lot more convenient than the USA for restocking and recovery for our troops in the middle east.

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American troops actually do very little peacekeeping work. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware of any location where US troops are on the ground wearing blue helmets.
We've still got troops in Kosovo. I think there might be troops somewhere else doing peace keeping, too.

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American troops actually do very little peacekeeping work. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware of any location where US troops are on the ground wearing blue helmets.
We've still got troops in Kosovo. I think there might be troops somewhere else doing peacekeeping, too.

Right, I'd forgoten about them.
UNMIK (United Nations Mission, Interm administration, Kosovo)is the joint UN/EU mission to Kosovo. Not sure who's doing what there at the moment; can anyone find a good website that details this? The UN website doesn't detail this, or if it does I couldn't find it.

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