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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:18 am 
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Are we all here for a reason?

I think so. I think even the bad guys are here to teach us a lesson. When I was a bit younger, I had a run-in with a disgusting older man/woman (don't ask.) The details are probably inappropriate, so I'll spare.

Anyway... I think even the twisted, hurtful people are here, if not solely to give people something to think about, and then learn lessons due to such.

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I don't think we're here for any particular reason. But it isn't WHY you're here that matters, it's WHAT you do.

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anywho,yes, i belive we are all here for a reason so and so. im here to land it big with my band IRON-DEATH and get as big as Angus Young! and if you dont know who Angus Young is, go {DELETED!} yourself!

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Life is a big joke in my eyes, and it's too short to be serious all the time. Joke whenever you can. Life is the discovery of who you are, not to go out and make big bucks and sit on the side of a pool while a black dude hands you your 5th martini.


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im here to land it big with my band IRON-DEATH and get as big as Angus Young! and if you dont know who Angus Young is, go {DELETED!} yourself!


Are bands like AC/DC and Zeppelin coming alive in the younger population?


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I'm here to argue with everyone else!!!!111oneone

... oh... you mean why we're here on Earth...


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Are bands like AC/DC and Zeppelin coming alive in the younger population?

When has Zeppelin ever not been popular with the younger generation? Okay, during the immediate punk/post-punk era maybe, but since the mid-80s as I understand it they've been more and more accepted. Even punk hardliner Steve Albini has spoken out in favour of them


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can we get back on topic?

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Modestly Hot Guy, you can edit your post intsead of positing again.. but anyways.

Some people say we're just hear to reproduce and then die. Maybe thats true. Or maybe theres a phylisophical side to it. I don't know. If I knew we were hear for a reason, I'd probably be rich.

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Modestly Hot Guy wrote:
im here to land it big with my band IRON-DEATH and get as big as Angus Young! and if you dont know who Angus Young is, go {DELETED!} yourself!


Are bands like AC/DC and Zeppelin coming alive in the younger population?

AC/DC rules! They're my second-favourite band, after Cold Chisel. Can't beat Australian rock. :)

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Yeah.. nice name.. *cough* total rip off of Iron Maiden and Megadeth.

Why not call yourself Mega Killers or Kill Deathers.

Holy Moly, So and So, you've made 73 posts in 1 day. Thats.. addicted.

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It turns out that the reason we're here is plastic... The earth wanted plastic and couldn't make it on her own. There's your reason!!! PLASTIC!

Yeah, I suppose it goes without saying that I like George Carlin...


Or, my own answer to "Why are we here?" It's based purely on my misguided understanding of quantum physics, among other things, and was formulated at State Street Pub in Bowling Green, KY. "We're here, because we're not somewhere else. If we exist, we have to exist somewhere, and since we're not in any of the other infinite number of places we could exist, we're here. The more important question is ' Why aren't we somewhere else. The answer to that, of course is because we're here'. " Oh, I'm fun to drink with.

Seriously, though, I do feel that God has a purpose for our existence. I also believe that it's kinda similar to one of those "Schrodinger's Cat" situations (you change things by observing them) in that if we were to know our exact purpose, we would not fulfill it. Then again, maybe we don't have a specific purpose, but rather are here to live our lives as part of a grand scheme... I suppose I should ask God if I get the chance.

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Yes, we are all here on Earth for a reason. I was thinkking about this a bit today and yesterday.

Some may think we are here to just eat, reproduce, then die. Life has shown us that there's more to that. There's emotion. Pain, glory, love, courage. With emotions like these, are we still animals just eating, sleeping, and responding to stimuli?

Yes, I do know that there is more to animals than that. But have you noticed that the personalities are pretty much only in the animals that are domesticated? I think that maybe our personalities and emotions may have "rubbed off" on them.

There's personality, as I said. We all act differently, behave in different ways and see things in different ways. Fellewship is a big part of life; we aren't able to really survive without it, believe it or not. Personality has variation, variation creates individuality, individuality gives us goals.

Wait, did I say individuality gives us goals? This is where some atheiests will really disagree with me. GOD GIVES US OUR GOALS! And it isn't one goal. We all have different purposes in our life, ones that God has to us. We want know or fufill them unless we let him in to our lives, and the way you do that is to sincerelly pray to him: confess your sins (wrong doings), invite him in (just ask, he'll come), and ask (note I didn't say beg or plea) for forgiveness. Your true goal and true purpose will be fufilled.

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Purpose of life and why we're here: Whatever YOUR God-given purpose and goal is, just let him into your life, confess your sins, and repent.

Just 2 cents from a 12 year old.

P.S.: Sorry if I'm babbling in this post, it's kind of hard for me to think straight. Something just told me to post this today. Or someone.


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Jimmie Johnson wrote:
Yes, I do know that there is more to animals than that. But have you noticed that the personalities are pretty much only in the animals that are domesticated?


I think any zoologist would disagree with you here. Animals of all kinds express emotion in some way or another, just not necessarily in ways that we recognize. Monkeys and apes are particularly good examples here; they have small societies that sort of mirror human villages. Watch the monkeys or apes at the zoo; if the zoo is doing its job, they'll behave much like they would in the wild. Sure, they'll mostly lie around and do nothing, since they don't have to hunt for food, but they'll engage in the same sort of interactions. I remember the Great Apes exhibit at my zoo had a variety of information on apes and some of it did deal with emotions, or at least means of communication through things such as facial expressions.

Of course, apes are rather advanced creatures, but you'll find the same thing in any social kind of animal. Many animals do not have the muscles for complex facial expressions, but any cat owner will tell you that a cat's face is still expressive nonetheless. You will find the same thing in any animal, domesticated or not. I think the reason you think otherwise is (and I'm making an assumption here, but I feel it's safe) you have little experience with animals that are not domesticated. This is understandable since we rarely run into such creatures in our urban world.

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Before even a "Why are we here?", there should be a "Are we here?"

After all, there's no way to prove anything... you could just be insane and think that you experience your life...

Supposing that we do exist, then I believe that we make our own purposes in life. After all, if a man was totally isolated from everyone and never did anything... he wasn't here for a reason...


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Rene DesCartes has already addressed the question about perceived existnece, Zeno. The problem is that, in order for you to even perceive existence, there must be a YOU in existence. Therefore, the fact that you can perceive existence at all is proof that you exist, or as DesCartes put it, "I think, therefore I am."

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I have a joke about that... heard it online.


Rene Descartes walked into a bar. The bartender asked him if he'll have the usual. Descartes said "I think not", and promptly vanished.


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Jimmie Johnson, your veiw is from a person that beleives that there is a big guy up there. What about from a scientific veiw?

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Jimmie Johnson, your veiw is from a person that beleives that there is a big guy up there. What about from a scientific veiw?


Well, science pretty much tells us that we're all just smart animals here for no reason besides making more of us, eating, and responing to stimuli and stuff. No real reason. I believe in my religious, no, relationship-ish view way stronger than my scientific one. The relationship gives our lives a purpose, a meaning and a goal.

And just to clear things up, even though you might know this already, he's not the "big guy up there." He's here. He's everywhere. No, it's not because he's so huge he fills up everything. :mrgreen: It's because he's with us, with all believers. And, despite many misconceptions, he's not a mean, hating, aggresive God. You know, he doesn't get angry with you if you mess up. He's loving and forgiving. And in fact, he loves us all so much that he would give up his one and only and perfect son just so we, his creations, could be saved from evil. and believe me, it's true. When I walked down the isle in my church to the front, and prayed for salvation, I could feel him come in. It's hard to describe the feeling, but it's filled with joy. I was in tears when I finished, no kidding.

I don't think I really need a scientific explanation. ;)

P.S.: As you may probably tell, I'm a strong Christian, and I refuse t a lot of science stuff. I'm one of those people, as mentioned on another thread, that will not budge in a debate regarding my religion. It's a bad idea to try to pry me loose, k?


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I don't believe we're here for a reason, I think we make our own way in life, and I wouldn't have it any other way


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I don't believe we're here for a reason, I think we make our own way in life, and I wouldn't have it any other way

Yeah, Douglas Adams thought the same thing. 42!
Thats why the HHGG books aways depressed me. It's so sad that he died believeing that.

Aside from that, Jimmie Johnson pretty much summed up what I was gonna say.

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I too agree that there are religious reasons why we are here... as for scientific, after considering religious I had never really thought about it. It never seems necessary.

Also, good to see you back James.

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I don't believe we're here for a reason, I think we make our own way in life, and I wouldn't have it any other way

Yeah, Douglas Adams thought the same thing. 42!
Thats why the HHGG books aways depressed me. It's so sad that he died believeing that.


I don't know what the problem is with that point of view. As far as I can understand, Adams was perfectly happy with it. Why be sad that he held a point of view he was happy with? (Yes, Adams was quite unhappy from time to time, but I don't think that has anything to do with it.)

Myself, I don't care if I'm here for a reason or not, given I would have no hope of truly knowing what that reason is. All I know is: I'm here, so the world had better watch out, and that's the bottom line. ;)

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Jimmie Johnson, your veiw is from a person that beleives that there is a big guy up there. What about from a scientific veiw?


Well, science pretty much tells us that we're all just smart animals here for no reason besides making more of us, eating, and responing to stimuli and stuff. No real reason. I believe in my religious, no, relationship-ish view way stronger than my scientific one. The relationship gives our lives a purpose, a meaning and a goal.

And just to clear things up, even though you might know this already, he's not the "big guy up there." He's here. He's everywhere. No, it's not because he's so huge he fills up everything. :mrgreen: It's because he's with us, with all believers. And, despite many misconceptions, he's not a mean, hating, aggresive God. You know, he doesn't get angry with you if you mess up. He's loving and forgiving. And in fact, he loves us all so much that he would give up his one and only and perfect son just so we, his creations, could be saved from evil. and believe me, it's true. When I walked down the isle in my church to the front, and prayed for salvation, I could feel him come in. It's hard to describe the feeling, but it's filled with joy. I was in tears when I finished, no kidding.

I don't think I really need a scientific explanation. ;)

P.S.: As you may probably tell, I'm a strong Christian, and I refuse t a lot of science stuff. I'm one of those people, as mentioned on another thread, that will not budge in a debate regarding my religion. It's a bad idea to try to pry me loose, k?


But the thing is, sciences has reasons and facts. Religions have beleifs. I'm not going to try to turn on the science side, but I don't understand how someone can refuse fact. The bible has great stories, but it has yet to be proven! If he's everywhere, why do young children develop lung cancer because their parents decide to smoke inside? Why are innocent people killed by drunk drivers?

You choose to refuse parts of science.. doesn't seem to make sense why you pick and choose which part you'd like to refuse. Its okay to use the internet and medical science, but anything that prooves against your beleives is wrong. Why ?

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I don't believe we're here for a reason, I think we make our own way in life, and I wouldn't have it any other way


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I'm not here, I'm there.

Seriously? I think your purpose in life is whatever you want it to be. Do your own thing, get the most out of your life. There's no grand plan or higher purpose, just people trying to live as best they can.

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Humans as a race have a purpose to reproduce and die. However, due to the advanced mind of the human, we aren't fulfilling the "death" purpose as well we are supposed to. This causes overpopulation. On a nicer note, our purpose is to survive with an equal balance with other organisms on this earth.

Humans as individuals have a purpose of making others and themselves happy. (Unfortunately, once again, some humans do not fulfill that purpose very well)


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Humans as a race have a purpose to reproduce and die. However, due to the advanced mind of the human, we aren't fulfilling the "death" purpose as well we are supposed to. This causes overpopulation. On a nicer note, our purpose is to survive with an equal balance with other organisms on this earth.

Humans as individuals have a purpose of making others and themselves happy. (Unfortunately, once again, some humans do not fulfill that purpose very well)


Not only does our advancement create overpopulation, it ceases evolution. Since technology can keep people alive far longer than is natural, survival of the fittest no longer comes into play. For instance, it is my opinion that deadly STD's such as AIDS would have been long gone if natural selection were allowed to have its way.


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Simon Zeno wrote:
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Humans as a race have a purpose to reproduce and die. However, due to the advanced mind of the human, we aren't fulfilling the "death" purpose as well we are supposed to. This causes overpopulation. On a nicer note, our purpose is to survive with an equal balance with other organisms on this earth.

Humans as individuals have a purpose of making others and themselves happy. (Unfortunately, once again, some humans do not fulfill that purpose very well)


Not only does our advancement create overpopulation, it ceases evolution. Since technology can keep people alive far longer than is natural, survival of the fittest no longer comes into play. For instance, it is my opinion that deadly STD's such as AIDS would have been long gone if natural selection were allowed to have its way.
How very true. And yet, our compassion gets in the way. People are not going to be killed just for having an STD. And there is no way to stop them from reproducing. And they have the right to live. Yes, technology is as much of a hindrance in evolution as it is a benefit to our lifestyles. There is not much we can do to stop the process. Who would want to?

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