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 Post subject: Dude Wheres My Plane?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:50 am 
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On September 11, 2001
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Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon......or did it?
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memor ... ntagon.php


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Yeah, I've heard things like that. I actually heard from someone that works foe the fed gov that the plane that went down in Penn was actually shot down by a pair of Canadian fighter Jets.

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530 mph

2 ft

That may just be a tiny bit believeable.
But the whole neat clean hole is puzzling.

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I've seen some things that answer all of the questions raised in this, and similar, flash stuff.

I like to believe Ockham's Razor would hold true in this one. Which is more simple? A: government conspiracy uses missile to attack its own building during massive terrorist attack so that it can acheive some sort of perverted political goal or B: Terrorists attacking United States attack the symbol of American Military power.

You can believe what you want, I don't really know either way, but I believe B is more likely/plausable.

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Ooh, that's the one with all of the cool conspiracy music. But that thing is old, and it has been taken down from many sites because people have been complaining that too much information is untrue.

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The whole FBI confiscating the film is probably made up I mean we don't even have proof that a Gas Station had a camera.

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It's wierd that no parts of the plane were found...but then, why would the US government attack itself? No matter what you think of the job they're doing it's a pretty stupid thing to do.

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Debunk... 'd

Debunk'd... again.


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Jeez. Could that be true?

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Senor wrote:
Jeez. Could that be true?

Well, yeah, it COULD be true, but I could be 12 feet tall, too. The Popular Science article that Suicune64 linked to does a REALLY good job of debunking it, as well as most 9-11 conspiracy theories, in a logical, non-emotional way..
Like I said earler, I don't know all of the truth about 9-11, I wasn't there, and I can't (or won't) force anyone to believe what I believe. Still, I know what I believe, the simpler "terrorists hijack planes and attack America" scenario. It's a lot easier to believe than the various conspiracy theories out there.

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breadtangle wrote:
why would the US government attack itself?


Because Bush is a moron. :p


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Something fishy is definatley going on, who is to blame?
-the government?
-terrorists?
-bush?
To quote from Sum41
We're all to blame

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It may sound unrealistic but it could be.

What if the corrupted U.S. government staged the entire 9-11? Why you may ask? One reason would be that perhaps Iraq or Afghanistan had stopped the flow of oil to US. So US could have made a plan to blame Afganistan for the attack and take the oil. And the empty missles in Iraq? US may have planted those there or Iraq actually put away their missles but US blamed them for having WMDs. So then US could have also planted a leader in the Iraq election so they could get oil, or control of an oil patch.

This may seem a little unrealistic, but that's the way I think of our government.

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....same here!

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It may sound unrealistic but it could be.

What if the corrupted U.S. government staged the entire 9-11? Why you may ask? One reason would be that perhaps Iraq or Afghanistan had stopped the flow of oil to US. So US could have made a plan to blame Afganistan for the attack and take the oil. And the empty missles in Iraq? US may have planted those there or Iraq actually put away their missles but US blamed them for having WMDs. So then US could have also planted a leader in the Iraq election so they could get oil, or control of an oil patch.

This may seem a little unrealistic, but that's the way I think of our government.
It sounds a little extreme, but nothing that I wouldn't put past the government.

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Or maybe it was secret government Banshee testing!

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No, no, no, no, no. Did anyone take a look at Suicine's links? Though it took a bit of plowing through, I found the page that demolishes all of these conspiracy theories: HERE.

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CLAIM: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."


The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile--part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.


Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."


The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.


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CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"


FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"


And so much more.

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That seems very true, but again, it is the truth, or a coverup. No matter what you tell some people, they never let go of their beliefs, even if they are wrong. Just look at Bush and the 'War' in Iraq.

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Old, old, old, old, old, old news.

And why isn't this posted in the R&P section?

Move'd.

And did I mention OLD?

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I suppose it's also possible that we never landed on the moon and that pi is really equal to 3.146264...

*rolls eyes*

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Hmm. I found this quite interesting. Course this would not be the first time the gov't did something like this.

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Hmm. I found this quite interesting. Course this would not be the first time the gov't did something like this.

Did what?

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Covered something up.

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Cover what up? A bunch of phony speculations?

Conspiracy theories. Gotta love 'em.

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Cover what up? A bunch of phony speculations?

Conspiracy theories. Gotta love 'em.

Wait, so you're saying the sky isn't construction paper?! Now I don't know what to believe!

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They FOUND airplane debris. My friends dad died in the plane, I think he'd know.

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Actually, due to government inefficiencies, only about 78% of your base are belong to us. The other 22% has either been lost or unknowingly outsourced.

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Enter Snopes.

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A 757 is not small there should have been wreckage all over. They say the wing hit the ground. Well where in the ditch that wing would have made?

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