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A 757 is not small there should have been wreckage all over. They say the wing hit the ground. Well where in the ditch that wing would have made?

Are you just ignoring everything everyone else is saying? For starters, go here.

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Moreover, since the airliner was full of jet fuel and was flown into thick, reinforced concrete walls at high speed, exploding in a fireball, any pieces of wreckage large enough to be identifiable in after-the-fact photographs taken from a few hundred feet away burned up in the intense fire that followed the crash (just as the planes flown into the World Trade Center towers burned up, and the intensity of their jet-fuel fires caused both towers to collapse).


Seems logical enough to me.

That conspiracy video's great, though. I love the soundtrack.

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OMFG! THE GOVERNMENTS DESTROYING ITSELF! OMFG! IT'S A COUP! FEMA HAS BEEN CORRUPTED AND IS USING THE UN TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERMENT! AND AND AND AND AREA 51 IS THEIR BASE OF OPERATIONS! OH CRAP! THEY DID! I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE! THE MONEY! OSAMA IS JUST A PAWN, CAN'T YOU SEE! A PAWN! AFIJWSIGJWIO0GJWOMWSOPGMWSOP MARHHBLBLBLBL!

I'm into conspiracies theories and such but come on, even some of the accusations these people make are too far out for me.


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i re-looked at that security camera footage, i checked the first second taken and zoomend in on the "plane", it looked fuzzy and squared off, so i downloaded a picture finer, i fine-edged the picture, and what did i see? i saw a S.C.U.D Long Range Low Orbit Missle. i saw it perfectly clear. uhh ohh.... the governments gonna get me for this! here come the men in black......doo doo do.

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The picture of the aeroplane was only a few pixels. It could perceivably be just about anything. Including a SCUD missile.

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i re-looked at that security camera footage, i checked the first second taken and zoomend in on the "plane", it looked fuzzy and squared off, so i downloaded a picture finer, i fine-edged the picture, and what did i see? i saw a S.C.U.D Long Range Low Orbit Missle. i saw it perfectly clear. uhh ohh.... the governments gonna get me for this! here come the men in black......doo doo do.

Right, so a 4 pixel picture of a blurry thing and your apparent expertise on sharpening images disproves all of the witnesses, the wreckage found of the plane, and the fact that it was JET FUEL found burning? Wow.

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He must be an MIT grad. Wow I bet he made his parents proud. Considering he is only 13.

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oi..... <like i havent herd this before... :sm:>
look, im only thirteen, but im smarter than ur average everyday teenager. i got a sharpener and used it, its only four pixels, but it could mostly have been anything, but in my opinion, from what i saw in the picture i sharpend, that it was either a scud missle, an old V1 Buzz Bomb, or a plane, i dont know, dont belive me if ya want, but im just saying what i saw.

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Care to show us the sharpened image, Mr. Above-average?

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Care to show us the sharpened image, Mr. Above-average?

I doubt he will, but here's my sharpening/enhancing and analysis of the object.

First, let's take a look at the first frame of the security camera stationed at the Pentagon:
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Right, now let's zoom in a bit to the area of the plane (I circled the object):
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...sharpened and color levels enhanced (using Fireworks):
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Now, here is the plane with my labels put to it:
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Does this look like a SCUD missile?
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...or a Boeing 757 (as reported by the U.S. government):
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Oh em gee! I recognize that dark, blurry profile!

It's SHAMU!

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It is obviously too small to be a 757.

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Beyond the Grave wrote:
It is obviously too small to be a 757.


Yes, you're right, Shamu is considerably smaller than a 757. And it's a good thing the picture has that guy with the yard stick standing right there, or it would be so hard to get any sense of scale.

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Glad the subject of the so-called security video has been brought up. Apparently, no one really looked much at my second link.

It links to: this good debunking, which links to this page, which is longer and more detailed.

So there, it's a fake. Discussion over. =P


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disscussion not over,
aparently, i did miss-see what i said i saw. but that dissproves the fact that a 757 hit the pentegon. it was either a smaller aircraft, or an old V1 "Buzz-Bomb" to help out, heres a picture of one: Image
yeah, thats a model of one, but just in case, heres what a real one looks like:
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thats a real one,

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It was not a V1 rocket. V1s haven't been used since WW2.

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disscussion not over,
aparently, i did miss-see what i said i saw. but that dissproves the fact that a 757 hit the pentegon. it was either a smaller aircraft, or an old V1 "Buzz-Bomb" to help out, heres a picture of one:
yeah, thats a model of one, but just in case, heres what a real one looks like:
thats a real one,


So? Now we know what Buzz-Bombs are. Did you even read the links, MHG? You appeared to have read my post ("disscussion not over"), but from the fact of your seemingly vehement belief of the object in the video was what actually struck it, as opposed to a 757, it seems you did not regard my links. If you did, would you mind telling us your grounds for disagreement? And if you didn't regard the links, try doing so before essentially calling me incorrect.

I love it when people call me wrong when they haven't even disproven my facts. =D


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disscussion not over,
aparently, i did miss-see what i said i saw. but that dissproves the fact that a 757 hit the pentegon. it was either a smaller aircraft, or an old V1 "Buzz-Bomb" to help out, heres a picture of one: Image
yeah, thats a model of one, but just in case, heres what a real one looks like:
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thats a real one,

You didn't read anyone's post, did you, MH? First off, what "dissproves" the 757 plane fact? Where did those 65 people on the apparently non-existent plane go? Your argument makes absolutely no sense.

Like Suicine said, the V1 bomber was made in World War II by Nazi Germany, and considering it was first made in 1944, then discontinued the next year, it's near-impossible that a V1 Flying Bomb hit the Pentagon.

Modestly, if you would, please cite SOMETHING as your source, or at least try to back up your inane claims.

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my claimes are not inane. there not factual, there just an opinion. who knows that possibly in WW2 a few V1's were captured, taken apart, studdied, then make a re-design on it and modify it, and its just been sitting in a hangar somewhere right next to the arc of the covenant? or, like in that movie 'the sum of all fears', an old V1 launch truck escaped during an allied raid on an SS base, and was lost somewhere near russia, or anywhere along that line on down south, and was abandond by the Waffen who went with it and it has been sitting there for 60 years and the taliban or the government found it, but kept it as a secret? ya never know. it could have been anything. but hey, this is just my opinion. maybe it was a cruise missle? maybe it was a private jet. if you have seen what they show on the history channel, the geographical channel, or the discovery channel, you might have seen something about this subjet. i kinda forgot what it said but i remember hearing something like "When a plane hits a building, it doesnt leave a cartoon style cut out of itself."
what i make of that which i have stated is that it exploded as it hit the wall, which blew open a small hole in the first wall, and sent the rest of it to the inner ring of the pentagon which blew another hole in the next ring, and then stoped somewhere inside that ring. then, after like twenty something minutes, the outer rings wall collapsed, making a bit bigger hole, but not as big as the 757. so inconclusion of that which i have stated, it says that a 757 May Have hit the pentagon, then again, any type of plane would make a blast hole of that size into the wall.
Also, there were several places along the direction that the plane was going, that had video cameras that got a full motion shot of the plane flying by. but, before they tried to put a nice fancy lable on it, the FBI, or CIA came an claimed the tape as Property of the Government. also, when they claimed the video at that gas station a few twenties of miles away from the pentegon, they also ,aparantly, claimed a Box of cracker jacks, a diet Dr.Pepper, a barqs root beer, and some Double-Bubble Bubble gum before they left. thats the end of my serious part, now heres my ending joke: "Double Bubble, The Offical Bubble Gum Of the Menn In Black! :mrgreen: :p :p
:EDIT: earlier i said that it disproves that a 757 hit the pentegon. i meant to say that it disproves that a SCUD hit the pentegon. say, what about that plane that supposedly "Crashed" crashed? what about that?

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I think someone in the Pentagon put too much coffee in the machine...it couldn't handle the load.

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<Man I love Ticking people off :p :p >

Man, I hate it when people make a mockery of death and destruction.

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my claimes are not inane. there not factual, there just an opinion. who knows that possibly in WW2 a few V1's were captured, taken apart, studdied, then make a re-design on it and modify it, and its just been sitting in a hangar somewhere right next to the arc of the covenant? or, like in that movie 'the sum of all fears', an old V1 launch truck escaped during an allied raid on an SS base, and was lost somewhere near russia, or anywhere along that line on down south, and was abandond by the Waffen who went with it and it has been sitting there for 60 years and the taliban or the government found it, but kept it as a secret? ya never know.


Yeah, this qualifies as an inane claim:
Lacking intelligent thought or content

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if you have seen what they show on the history channel, the geographical channel, or the discovery channel, you might have seen something about this subjet. i kinda forgot what it said but i remember hearing something like "When a plane hits a building, it doesnt leave a cartoon style cut out of itself."

Yes, I saw the National Geographic episode of Seconds to Disaster featuring the Pentagon attack, and no, they did not say "When a plane hits a building, it doesnt leave a cartoon style cut out of itself.", the flash movie of the conspiracy theories said that. (the Seconds to Disaster show supported and proved the 757 attack)

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what i make of that which i have stated is that it exploded as it hit the wall, which blew open a small hole in the first wall, and sent the rest of it to the inner ring of the pentagon which blew another hole in the next ring, and then stoped somewhere inside that ring. then, after like twenty something minutes, the outer rings wall collapsed, making a bit bigger hole, but not as big as the 757. so inconclusion of that which i have stated, it says that a 757 May Have hit the pentagon, then again, any type of plane would make a blast hole of that size into the wall.

Read people's bloody posts before you continue a stupid claim.

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Also, there were several places along the direction that the plane was going, that had video cameras that got a full motion shot of the plane flying by. but, before they tried to put a nice fancy lable on it, the FBI, or CIA came an claimed the tape as Property of the Government. also, when they claimed the video at that gas station a few twenties of miles away from the pentegon,

First, I've never heard of this outside of that stupid flash video, and even that provided no source of this. Regardless, taking tapes of a crime is standard procedure of ANY crime-fighting force. Heck, if they wanted to cover this up, why would they appear live on CNN with the released security tape?

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:EDIT: earlier i said that it disproves that a 757 hit the pentegon. i meant to say that it disproves that a SCUD hit the pentegon. say, what about that plane that supposedly "Crashed" crashed? what
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Absolutely nothing you have said has disproved the fact that a Boeing 757, American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon. It is absolutely absurd to say that it didn't, and if you still don't believe that one did, ask the people who lost their 65 brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, relatives and friends on the freaking plane. Did they just disappear in the midst of it all? Did Flight 77 just vanish, never to return to an airport? Is it just chance that Al Quaeda took responsibility for the plane? Sorry if I sound angry, but you're just laughing in the face of the people who lost their family and friends on the airplane that struck the Pentagon.

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thefreakyblueman wrote:
Like Suicine said, the V1 bomber was made in World War II by Nazi Germany, and considering it was first made in 1944, then discontinued the next year, it's near-impossible that a V1 Flying Bomb hit the Pentagon.


Not trying to rudely correct you, I just dislike receiving undue credit. BTG made the point of the VI's obsolence, not me.

MHG, you're not making yourself clear anymore. What is your theory/belief as to what happened? I'm no longer sure of your standpoint due to your lack of clarity. On one hand, you're citing a theory of V1s being revived by enemy forces, but you're also saying that a missile hitting the Pentagon was disproven.

So, once again, what do you think hit the Pentagon?


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hmmm........ im going to rethink this, so everyone, DIg A hole, and Plant yourself!

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